RC Questions

If mainland price drops much more, they'll be paying us to have it! Last time I looked, base price was around L$2.6 sq/m which is disgracegul considering that it was up towards L$10 sq/m only 18 months ago...

Gomez

If you're sane, sensible, and persistent eventually a Linden will come along and slap down the jira jerk who keeps closing your proposal. Been there, done that, got the votes.

I suppose we all need to dash off and vote for it don't we??

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1978

Hmm.. when i tried tping there, I got the message I didn't have access to the PG one (no explanation given). I was able to TP to the adult one -- very nice wire fence and searchlights.. interesting choice of scenery .. and walk from that to the PG one via the mature one, though.

Awww, you said insane like it's a bad thing.

Welcome to the asylum.

I vote this as the quote of the week. Thank you for making my night

Went to the testing area. I'm not pregnant. Whew. The place reminds me of Bondage Ranch.

I mentioned it to Blondin at his last office hours. He made some suggestions, but they didn't work.

I'll drop Blondin a notecard or let him know there's still an issue at his next office hours.

I'm inworld, I'll drop him a note now

This seems to work:

Make a ticket under "Manual Verification".
Do NOT submit any of the requested data.
IGNORE the email asking for Hard Documents.

Make sure you state that you are;
ACCOUNT VERIFIED = PIOF on your account page.
But it is still showing NPIOF in world.
And that PIOF is supposed to allow you to access ADULT Regions.
But it is not allowing you to.

Ask: "Please fix this!" (It always pays to be polite & grovel)

You will receive a reply attempting to get you to use "Aristotle".
& offering to help you manually verify.
And an explanation on how "Adult Account" does NOT = "Adult Verified".
Essentially & technically turning-down/denying your ticket.
Do NOT submit any of the requested info.

**However they WILL fix the problem anyway.**

Fixing it so your PIOF status will show in world
And you will be then able to access ADULT Regions.

I did this with a couple of my alts and it has also worked for several friends.


PS. For those who have passed "Aristotle" But it is not working in world.
Making a ticket under "Manual Verification",
And not submitting documents also seems to work.
Just say you have passed "Aristotle Verification" But it is not working in world.
This has also worked for several friends.

NOTE: Clear your Cache & Relog!!!!

Blondin I have some questions. I have been to Oatmeal 15. Does the barbed wire fence separating it from Oatmeal 11 belong to LL or has someone else put that there. Why is there an ugly sword for sale? Why is the next parcel open for anyone to rez up objects? Nothing makes sense. It's almost like you are now going out of your way to demonstrate that your age verification procedure is just a sick joke for turning putting off anyone who age verifies. Certainly it is making me feel very sick. If i don't age verify i will have to leave the game. But now if i do verify apparently i have to have nasty violent and oppressive messages thrust in front of me. I'm in world right now, totally gob-smacked by this awful mess.

K

They were talking about this last year- and claiming that it wouldn't be some kind of "approved content provider list"- more of a certification to allow their clients to see at a glance who was "qualified" to do their builds for them.

last I heard, they were *supposed* to make the certification criteria openly available, and open up the certification process to more people this was months ago. looks like another LL special.

^V^

Yeah, offers a lot of different kinds of "predictable experience", oatmeal does

^V^

5-29-09

Dear diary,

Restless this morning. Here it is, coming up on 12 weeks since LL enlisted our 'help' and 'feedback' regarding the Changes to Adult Content and the most the hundreds of us have seen that changed is the word ladyboy being taken off the adult list.

Speaking of that, how absolutely screwed up is having a list that they won't publish and isn't, in thier words, "Static?"

So you can have one day a place, be it a club, store, or whatever, that is fine on Mature land only to suddenly (And MAYBE you notice after traffic drops) the next day it's considered Adult. Or worse, you can AR'd over it. And rest assured there will be teams of people going around LOOKING for places to file against, as I have encountered some already.

Should I mention how having a list in the first place is flawed by nature? Okay, I will.

Take any word beyond the sort of "seven words" mentioned by George Carlin, let's use Gor, Gorean, or bdsm. By themselves they do not confer anything sexual, it's all in the context, yet a school that teaches slave or submissive behavior is adult, if they use the word bdsm. "Oh, but only if they use that word to advertise" LL says, Tell me, how is a non sexual yet related forum supposed to advertise its nature without using that word?

Gor, Gorean? I don't get THAT at all, neither one to me implies sex in any fashion. A lifestyle yes, (as bdsm) but this lifestyle doesn't naturally imply ANYTHING sexual. Is the word heterosexual adult? Or "straight?" Or "vanilla?" If not, why not? They're just as applicable in regards to "sexual context"

So, to me, seeing someone leashed and collared no more implies sexual context than seeing someone walking down the street and knowing that they masturbate or, if lucky, actually have sex!

These are just some examples that pop into my head about the flaws in making a "List"

I've completely and TOTALLY lost faith in Linden Labs over all of this. Going on 12 weeks and they still haven't come up with anything 'finalized'

Linden Labs has, in one fell ignorant swoop, nearly totally destroyed any fun I get from Second Life, and it hasn't even started yet!

It's like finding out God is stupid, you start to question, "What's the point?"

Linden Labs has overlooked something quite vital, in that they have (and US!) created a place that PEOPLE LIVE IN! Some people also earn their livings here, I know at least two personally who live off of what they make here. LL is playing with their lives, OUR lives. And just casually say, "Oh, this List will be ever changing, AND we can't tell you what it is"

I can't muster enough anger sometimes.

Well, that's all for now, diary,

Jill

Oh, P.S. I visited some of their "golden ticket" places like Xerox, Adobe, Imperial College, and nearly all had thisclose to zero traffic other than the college. Good going, Linden Labs, for courting the ones wanting "predictability!"

We have already tested some of these words previously. People tried some violence words, and I scanned the California Penal Code for crime words. I tested the words posted, and none were filtered.

Added the common ones to unfiltered list. There is not much point listing words that nobody actually uses, that would make the list page way too long. My threshold is if the word is used more than about 5 times in the search database, I will note whether it passed or not.

Owner/creator of the sword is Oscar Linden. These specific sort of lamps at the fence are also made by him. The fence is from another ava, but Oscar Linden is the owner. The fenced land is even his land/LL-land.

Maybe a symbolic act...

Maybe the sword is telling us to make harakiri/seppuku if we don't like the Ursula-plan and the fence reminds me on something, but if I name it, I would come into trouble again with the so called Godwin's law...hahaha

But ok, if LL likes to make themselfs to complete idiots by showing us the PG, M, Adult options in *this* way, then it is their cognitive problem.

The whole process, all so called "answers" and their zero-communication about the essentials like written here:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/JIRA_Issue_Discussion

makes the whole process since months to a complete farce.

Even the new target groups like corporates, educators, etc. will have to test their verfication status.

If LL thinks it will be a nice idea to send us (and other groups of intererests) into a desert designed like a concentration camp/jail/military restricted area...

well..., that is telling much about the "thinking" inside of this company.

It can be also a psychological trap. If we feel offended by the look of this place they can counter attack us with: "u c, dear customers, that is why we make zoning, because even you are offended by something"

So, it is maybe the best to laugh about this. It is a sick joke by the Lindens but they're shooting themselfs into their own feets again by making it and acting as cheap as it looks.

I have archived the following threads in case they disappear:



and am currently turning them all into individual .pdf's and will put the links to them on the SLapt.me wiki hopefully later today, so people can take a copy and read at their leisure.

For those of you that didn't notice, there is a blog post from Torley Linden about a project to move the Knowledge Base over to Wiki format:

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/support/blog/2009/05/26/announcing-the-knowledge-base-wiki-pilot

This opens up "interesting" possibilities, in the sense of the Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times". Edit wars to post info they don't want posted, anyone?

@Jill:

We know it's screwed up. We pretty much figured out the filtered list anyway:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

So it is not secret, and will be easily known.

As a practical matter, the Linden Staff cannot fuck with that list too much after the initial adult setup. It would cause exactly the problems you mention, ads vanishing with no notice, angry landowners, abuse reports, etc.

They have already changed a few word's status, and I expect a few more will be added or removed prior to going public with the adult changes. But after that, I expect the usual Linden apathy, and the list will remain pretty static. Note: It only takes one person about an hour to check the list manually, less once someone makes a web script.

I fully agree with you that SL is a social construct. The time spent to create things and personal relationships is often the most important thing about it to us. Messing about with the rules so that it interferes with our lives of course gets people upset.

They often seem to think of SL as a software project with cool features to be added, and forget forget that *our* time in SL exceeds their work time by a ratio of 1000:1.

I went to that office hour. They said all edits would require their approval before they went live and that some pages could only be changed by Lindens.

Why does that not surprise me

On another note to all, I have added the new page at the SLapt.me wiki

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Archived_SL_Forum_Threads

On this page are the main now closed forum threads about the Adult changes. Due to the changes happening with merging of the KB etc and fact these forums and threads may disappear this is why I have archived them.

They are in .pdf format and available for download. Obviously there are links within the .pdf's that do not work as they are normally behind a login screen and I have captured every page in printer friendly version.

The threads in .pdf form are:

Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals
Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Definitions
Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Account Verification for Accessing Adult Content
Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Filtering Adult Content in Search and Classifieds
Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

Why of course! They want free labour from the residents (translations, wiki additions, etc) but they insist on not granting the authority that comes with those tasks.

they have some demo ideas of what will constitute the exams. But the first thing listed on their todo list is find some third party testers. Guess what they didn't find? It was and is a good idea. But yeah, the builder cert project is stillborn. Sokay, the people I build for know what I can do.

A Penal Colony. Like in Kafka.

Yep totally agreed with you, at least at SLapt.me wiki we want people to contribute and do not censor the posts

Then have a page (or whatever they're called) called vent - because the masses who know are winding themselves up into a tizzy and when this wave finally breaks over the rest all hell is going to break loose.