RC Questions

"[11:18] Oskar Linden: and the biggest effect is on Mainland

[11:18] Oskar Linden: and we're the sim owners"



I was sold this land under the now apparently false pretense I could do anything I want with it. If the information presented here is correct, I will not be eligible for the land swap to get the land I thought I was paying tier for.

Yeah, it's no big deal in the big scheme of things, only being a 1024 and all. I'm sure LL won't give a rat's ass if I abandon it and leave SL entirely. I hear there are "millions" of users breaking down the door waiting to get their hands on it.

I thought I'd speak to Oskar about some of the AC stuff when he was there, but he was but he was busy chatting with "moar faggots" guy, and when I was walking over, that dude hit me with a scripted object that knocked me halfway across the region. It would have been a waste of time anyway.

don't abandon it, drop me a note inworld and tell me how many prims you have to spare and I'll see if I can build you a small outpost of my shop. If I have to go to ursula (and don't worry, I will be going to ursula) then we'll make sure you'll have to as well.

Then of course if you still want to sell the land once you've moved you'll make a damn sight more than trying to sell your current mainland or abandoning it.

I should be around inworld in another hour or so if you fancy a chat about it.

I know exactly your feels, Mila, because mine were the same. I didn't had as much land as you, but my small parcel was important to me (a little less than 5000 sq m). Since the first announcement of the new policy, I stop the plans the I had to my land. For 2 months, I asked for clarification on the policy, and received just guessings from Blondin and lies form others (especially Jack, that was caught lying twice, when told that only ten people were against, and when he said the we wren't comunnicating to him - in both cases, the threads opened by himself shows that both was lies)

Back to the point. For 2 months I wait, paying the tier for the land, and all that I knew was I won't have what I bought and pay for 2 years. To have the rights that LL sold me, I would have to beg some Linden for a swap. If the swap is denied, I can choose the risk of being ARed or have less than what I pay for. (begging, ARed, or pay more for less - what chooses)

Finally, I've give up. I have no more land, have jaust paid my last tier for LL. A company that disrespect its costumers don't deserve my money, no matter if it is few or much. All Linden Labs is untrustfull.

This is why we all need to collect and collate all the information we can into the SLapt.me wiki where it is accessible for the general public and for people to read generally that are interested in this issue.

My email is readily available on my profile and in the forum here so anyone can feel free to email me information and I will ensure it is placed on the wiki and I will not divulge my sources and am happy to place things on behalf of others

Mature and PG rating should already take care of so called corporate concerns of being exposed to offensive material. Adding adult sims plus merging in the under 18 crowd would allow corporations easy access to their ideal target customers. I do not intend to help pay for this and am changing account to non paying, elimination 6 months in advance charges on credit cards.

personal feelings on another situation: Second Pride 2009...the final day was handed to Frolic Mills and BOSL on a silver platter. No financil donation was made as far as I am aware, yet BOSL was allowed to say when and where they would participate. I was Membership Chair and this was not voted on...we were told to take it or leave it. I am writing this as events on Best of Second Life sims continue.

I guess the reason I commented on the two items here is I feel my world is falling apart. I have health issues which create a permanent disability so Second Life has been my home and contact to rest of world.

More about the future of Second Life from the Linden's mouth...

http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/06/01/story2.html?b=1243828800%5E1836431

“Based on the level of the interest we’re seeing, we are poised for explosive growth,” said Amanda Van Nuys, who joined Linden Lab six months ago as executive director of enterprise marketing.

“This is not a game. We’re ready for business. My role is to get that message out,” she said.

Just wanted to solicit once again for anybody with some spare time in-world to test out my "how to get adult verified" build at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dallows/233/244/34, and to please let me know if I missed anything.

A huge thanks to those who have already taken that tour, and for the feedback, and the encouragement here to continue.

(In case anyone wonders why the build uses parcel media for the displays, it's so that different visitors can see different languages at the same time. Right now it only knows English, but I'm working on a machine-translated Japanese version just to make sure it's all working properly. After more feedback is in, I'll turn over the machine translations to native language speakers for clean-up.)

Oh, she and the rest of LL has gotten that message out over the last year in particular, really kicked off by Mitch Kapor at SL5B: "If you're here for art, socializing and recreation, f... off. We're not interested in you".
While I can understand not *catering* to this crowd and instead using the resources to reel in those much-vaunted businesses, what I don't get is why LL seems to actively try to drive the casual user away.
They *need* a user base for this platform to be interesting for the businesses. SL as a product and idea is even good enough that this user base could largely be self-sustaining, without all that much effort.
But unless LL wants to ultimately kill SL as a virtual world/social space and only use the technology for in-a-box teleconferencing, this outright hostility towards the "facebook crowd" seems baffling and self-defeating.

You can leave a comment there as well I signed up with my SL name and will promote the SLapt.me wiki I had to have a valid US zip code but I used Tupac's from the verification page, do feel free to come join me

San Francisco Business Times also posted an article here as well regarding the adult changes

http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/04/20/daily36.html

They seem to like SL so I have pointed them in the SLapt.me wiki's direction so lets see if they bite on it

That sounds like someone's trying to talk up the company for an IPO.

(My interpretation in quotes follwonig each Linden statement)



"We aren't attacking residents, we're only worrying about certain businesses, and forcing them to move a new land which has already been themed, whether they like it or not".



"Content is product, and we would prefer content that doesn't fit with our and our potential business investors morals and image is placed as far from sight as possible. From our understanding, people are those things that interfere with good business sense and profitability, so we have no itnerest in their concerns. We will try and hoodwink them and distract them whislt we hope to remove or at least hide away as many of the more vociferous ones we are treading on in our quest for mythical megabucks."

It's disgusting, from top to toe. We have Blondin condescendingly chuckling at the perves and infrequently fobbing us off in a pretence of caring. I simply do not feel that he sees those who enjoy the feel of pixel on pixel (or those that make it possible through venues and products) as anyone to respect. His attitude to all "adult" behaviour is it should be forceable relocated, even if said behaviour is a tedious unveiling of pixel breasts in a bland strip club. So much for "only the most extreme".

Then there's Jack. Who not only appears to disagree with Blondin on some key points (so where's the consistency in the policy and interpretation, even among those imposing it?), but again harps on about business and seemingly has no interest or clue about the "little people" who are the ones who keep this whole thing going. It's not people, it's content. People are not going to be affected by this, we're just over reacting, seems to be the message. But as already stated on this thread, what about those who bought and now pay tier for unrestricted land? The ones that as they do not *currently* have anything deportationworthy won't get a move. And aside from them, what about those who only spend a little money, on clothing and suchlike, don't own land, but do enjoy the more mature side of SL? They boost traffic through camping, they help pay tiers by buying shoes, and they improve Sl simply by being a social, witty, charming, devious, playful, morose madly mixed bunch. Not countless thousands of suit wearing "Don't have to be mad to work here but it helps" mug using corporate blandotrons that seem to be where LL think the real money is.

Sorry, this is heading into a rant rather than argument again.. But I'm so utterly pissed off. LL has the right to do WTF it wants (within reason, screwing thousands of mainland owners out of their land rights is pushing things just a tad), but I object to this whole fiasco so strongly I start to lose focus on the exact points I'm trying to make!

I so want to make a silly comment about using Tupac's zip code, but alas... I won't. I did however leave a comment, but I'm just not good at that sort of thing, so I probably didn't help too much. Well I tried. =)

P.S. to add I noticed they managed to throw the fixed voice stats in there. Since voice is on by default, isn't that like walking around with your phone on just incase someone speaks into it? On the other hand, I'd hate to get the phone bill for that.

LOL well at least you made a very valid comment and its important that the press at least know about whats happening. I have even fired off a couple of emails as well to the writers pointing them to the SLapt.me wiki and the fact there is lots of interesting information there and pdf's etc to write a story about the other side of LL and the way it treats its customers

So come on Ladies and gentlemen come and leave a comment on the San Fransisco business paper, but keep it professional and polite to convey our message

Second Life's Linden Lab sells virtual realities to businesses

http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/06/01/story2.html?b=1243828800^1836431

Adult Changes:

http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/04/20/daily36.html

This is yet another rehash of the same story LL has been promoting since late last year. In summary: SL's killer app is business meetings, and like all the other similar press releases the only company they can roll out to demonstrate this is their partner IBM (and even then only the section within IBM tasked with investigating and researching the uses of virtual worlds).

Clearly this team of 25 is busy working on repeating this message over and over in public and in the press in the hope that it may come true. To me, however, it just feels like desparation. However, that in part is because I believe that

a) thinking that SL is a good tool for business meetings is based on fundamentally flawed assumptions
b) SL's primary market is as a recreational tool

Clearly either M believes that he can monetarise/commercialise SL, or (more likely IMHO) is under instruction to do so by the investers wanting to see a return on their money, and is persuing increasingly desperate means to do so.

Matthew

and if you can slip it in that the better business bureaux gives them an F for their behaviour towards their customers, even better

http://goldengate.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=99&bbb=1116&firm=57373#

Over on this thread,
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=540976#540976

Lillani Lowel is claiming that you don't have to be age verified to get into mature land, only adult, and that it's only content being moved not people. This is almost word for word what Jack Linden said, (as I read in the Slapt wiki today).

Can someone please go refute this for me? I'm so tired I can barely see straight. e.e;

Thanks

I had already posted it dam silly me, I am hoping however a few more write a few comments on both these pieces as its the attention we need to draw so the journalists look a bit deeper thats why I say we have to keep it cool and stick with the facts, but I missed that big fact

Nothing to *refute* there.
You need to choose the "mature" checkbox to see search results and set your preference to mature to get into sims, but you can do that without age verifying. It's only when you want to activate the "adult" preference and checkboxes that you need to be age verified.
The implications of this split is a mess, but that's a different story.

And it's technically true that it is only "content" being moved, but one would assume that people would generally want to follow the content they own

Some of the avatars in the Adult verification zone was clearly showing underage behavior despite having Payment Info on File.

Abuse report filed.

... oh wait a minute?!!??

Linden Lab is too late, too lame, too unstable, has not the best reputation in market (F-rating) and the wrong ToS. Beside all technical issues.

Companies with focus on business meetings are growing suddenly like mushrooms out of the ground. Every day I open google I find new start-ups in this specialized conferencing market. They have all the same arguments: reduced carbon emissions, no travel, time saving, etc.

The following is no start-up, but has opened a dependance in UK now (London) and is well established in Germany, Netherlands/Holland, France.

This looks then as following:

"Be here, be there, be everywhere.

Video communication: meeting without travelling when you want and where you want.

You will still be hours in a queue for that one meeting further along in our country in 2008. You do not really look forward to endless numbers of kilometres in an oppressive aeroplane to be present at a meeting somewhere. This, moreover, is also at the expense of your private life.

If you recognise yourself in the above, the time has really come to know the services that ******** offers.

******** is the independent specialist in the area of video communication in Europe.

******* will be more than happy to help you make the correct choices given your specific company situation and will, if required, take over all issues. This will not only involve delivery and installation of the required equipment, but also the required support and service; 24 hours per day, 7 days a week. "

and

"Ten Tips for Reducing Carbon Emissions
Telepresence and Video Conferencing Can Reduce the Need to Travel by 30 Percent..."

So this and similar solutions I can find now at every corner of a street, so to speak. This market seems to me high competitive since new.

Last week I saw an advertising of a very large phone company in Germany, at prime time, with the same message.

Beside that we have much free tools available which are great for smaller companies, small biz and students and similar needs.

While conferencing systems are growing enormous, the prices are falling each quarter of a year and the solutions becoming smarter and smarter, companied by a complete service structure.

And they are stable. No crash, no lag, high speed. And they are showing the real people and not stupid duckwalk pixels.

Especially there is nothing to learn. Just hitting a button and it works.

One argument of LL is architecture. But, hahaha... just 2 houses further on my right in rl, lives an architect. I showed him how prim based architecture works and he was near to die by laughing He had problems to catch air and his belly was hurting for hours, hahaha.

I think LL is dreaming the wrong dream.

I did not see the log but was there a few times when he was present. Anyone could see that he was being pretty obvious about taunting the residents. It did not exactly help my opinion of him that one of the people he was talking down to was from a PG support area that I volunteer at.

I am guessing he does not get his in-world powerz to do as he pleases with them. He has a boss.

Anyone else notice that fence with his name on it attaches smoke to people as they leave? I ARed him for that.

Thanks LS, that was part of the chats I was there for but I decided to let him hang himself rather than add my own voice in.

My fave was him asking someone if she dressed the way she was in front of her kids (I don't think that was in the log). I wanted to scream "no, because she is a good mom who actually keeps her kids OFF of an 18+ service!"

Yup, now waiting to see if I get an interview.

Whoever is hired, the first and foremost duty of the new Director of Customer Relations will be to reestablish dialog and trust between the company and its residents. I believe that by aligning the interests of the company, its RL clients AND SL residents, three different pools of talent can be brought together for mutual advantage. The art of management, therefore, is about involving both RL and SL customers in the formulation of executive strategies. It means seeking win-win solutions to problems and, in the process, espying new opportunities that may not have arisen otherwise.

As for drinking the Kool-Aid, the combined knowledge and experience of the people in these fora is as great if not greater than most RL firms. In my opinion, it is foolish to spurn the (free) services of such a collection of intelligent and creative people. After all, they built Second Life in the first place.

AR the both of them. seriously. one was violating TOS, and the other was a linden who wasn't doing anything about it and handing out BS answers besides.

If I were his boss, I'd want to know about it. Maybe I have a more finely developed sense of corporate responsibility than LL, but what the hell- it can't hurt and we might as well get the g-team used to their increased caseload.

^V^

Here's something cute. You know the big sign in Oatmeal 15 that says touch it for information on Adult Verification?

If you aren't verified, you can't touch it.