RC Questions

I wasn't able to find the recording on the website. Anyone have a copy of the AC Linden Interview stuff?

That was definitely right! Everyone could see a few minutes in they were not entertaining any new questions brought forward. Even when they did (like 'are strip clubs adult?' or 'would gambling be legal if the US congress legalizes it?') they used such loaded legalese they did not really say anything. Just singing off the same songbook they have used since the beginning to answer any questions:

'O predictable experience,
O predictable experience,
Never shalt we define thee.
Our users may think that phrase means lag,
But we say they want everything tagged.
O predictable experience,
O predictable experience,
We love you null expression.'

Everyone now! Have some coolaid first though.

Not yet, they did it on an audio stream and the podcast is not ready yet it seems.

/me *grumbles* again about no transcripts or *gasp* using text chat

Mixes in a little gin and tosses it back with relish, wiping her lips with the back of her wrist

By using voice they severely limit their opponents.

Intentional?

Voice prevents two-way communication.

Hi Kristy,

I asked both Blondin and Jack the same question at the last office hours and got pretty much the same answers from both. The next thing to happen is the rollout of the new viewer. At the same time this happens they will start allowing us to visit ursula. Blondin says 2 weeks after that, and Jack says one to two weeks after that we will be allowed to start requesting our move.

I did not ask about the particulars of making the request. However, my understanding is that there will be a special ticket type for that. At last nights Lindenpalooza I think it was Cyn that said they would not move anyone without first talking to them. So it looks like we submit our ticket then wait for them to contact us inworld for this talk. In one of the brown bag meetings I heard that we should have a list of three preferences of locations in ursula we would like to move to.

Adorabella <-- First time posting after weeks of reading and attending office hours

Gin? How about a little Everclear! Pun intended

Welcome to all the joy that is the Adult Content forums. Unfortunately, communications with the Linden in these forums has ceased. Perhaps while re-defining what is Mature, they are also re-defining the meaning of communication. Anyway, welcome!

The more they make the environment look like the business teleconferencing they want, the more they'll hear from people who are interested in using that sort of product, and the more evidence they have that this is what their user base wants.
Yes, I think that is deliberate. I hesitate to call it manipulation, since as a company, they are free to create whatever product they want and attract the customers they can and want.
I *am* a little bitter that LL seems to deliberately go out of their way to alienate the "old guard" who built SL as the social space it is, but I am beginning to get over it and resigning myself to it, and am now actively looking for places and services which better suit what I want. So far, the jury is still out, and while it is, LL has my user hours; not my loyalty.
Their decisions have shown me that any investment I do should not be tied to their platform and their business-plan-of-the-month, but something I can easily relocate (to other services, if need be), based on more generic ideas and skills.
It may be good enough for LL. I am, after all, still here. But I am not buying any new land or making any financial investments tied to SL.

Which of course works to undercut the platform lock-in that is their biggest business advantage right now.

It appears they're making a move on skye's ground. I saw an article a couple of days back that compared LLs minutes to skype's - atm SL has around 1/4 of the minutes Skype does, but they're bearing down hard.

So, by the look of it on the consumer side they're going for the skype & facebook crowds.

As an aside but one that made me smile. Only 200 (approx) people took LL up on the offer of resurrecting their old homestead sim. LL actually emailed everyone who has a private island or had a homestead to ask them it seems.

So a 200 take up on the 5000+ that vanished from the grid as a result of the changes. Somehow I suspect that number is far less than they thought it would be. It's still a nice little earner as it's swelled their coffers by around $19,000 per month. (I think they're $95pm, I don't really follow the private islands).

Hopefully the reality is dawning that people are becoming resistant to giving them cash that returns very little value. If they do make the connection then hopefully we'll see a change in the way LL approaches its customers. Although on past performance I doubt it.

The next "scam" will be them trying to convince those who are moving to go to an island instead. While the price of ursula should remain reasonably high (if any of the other new land like bay city and nautilus are anything to go by) the resale value of private islands is poor.

So an increase in tier and a decrease in resale price is what they'll be offering. At the moment there doesn't look like there'll be any incentives offered except that you can part exchange if you want to go the island route and don't own a whole sim.

For those of you who are considering it, this is a case of buyer beware.

We all get in SL to be who we would like to be in RL and to do the things we like freely. Some fetish is not well seen in the place I live, being on SL makes me able to know people like me, who like the same as me... this without saying who I am, where I live and what's my door number... is exposing and mixing both of my lives.
If the big deal is the minors who walk around mature sims guess that's a problem for parents to handle at home and control their kids... Stolen identity says anything to the top heads of this new rule?
Noob islands, freebies places and help to the newbies will simply disappear once the best of those sims are MATURE!

Well if this thing goes on I hope at least the land prices and tier go down... because with age verify poor club owners...

ty Adorabella for the really helpful reply. It seems such a long wait since all this blew up and some of my favorite hangouts started shutting down i just want to get on with it now and hope something is left after. Thanks for bringing that back i think that is at least a little reassuring.

K

" Oh look out world, take a good look
What comes down here
You must learn this lesson fast and learn it well
This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway
Oh no, this is the road
Said this is the road
This is the road to....SL "

Chris Rea ( Road To Hell Part 3.......2009 Ghetto Version )

We've suggested many times that LL should be making a new PG continent as well as the new Adult continent, and I have suggested that it would have been better to let market forces drive the move, rather than an Edict From Above.

The thing that infuriates me the most is the bait-and-switch on Mature Land. Sure, the TOS gives them the right to change how the service is offered, but that does not make it right. We all bought Mature land knowing that it gave us full usage rights, and now LL is telling us we no longer have those rights.

It occurs to me that what LL SHOULD be doing is redesignating ALL existing Mature land as Adult...and then offering a free swap to either a new Mature continent or a new PG continent, at the resident's choice, to whoever wants one. People who currently own PG land in close proximity to Mature land should also be offered the free swap.

THAT would be the fair thing to do...and we could stop arguing about trivia like "is it really 2 to 4 per cent" or "is it a business or a private residence".

Once everyone who wants to flee the smut has moved, LL could then redesignate the vacant land as Adult. Voila...(relatively) painless zoning, and LL gets their "predictability".

Based on Blondin's recent declarations, it's not all sex that is removed from the mainland but publicly advertised sex places. He precisely said in one of his office meetings that you can still have a swinger party at your home , so i guess it's ok too for any kinky sort of group orgy in private as long it is not "advertised". Jack also made clear that anyone whose sim is affected by the changes will be offered a free swap to Ursula.

However we still wait for the clear definitions of what is "Public/private" and what is considered "advertising" that he promised us to be out soon for quite some time now...

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

We've suggested this, but that's not consistent with their plan for predictable porn.

so, I've just received an email from XSL telling me they've pulled an item of mine because I used the word ass.

no surprise there, we've seen this before.

However, it let me relist the item after removing the offending word and the filter didn't peep at the fact I left the word "blowjob" in the text.

Next, you'll be getting stoned to death for saying Jehovah.

So we'll have thousands of ads that point to little 16m parcels in Ursula, and place a LM giver there to point to the Adult Stores we "secretly" keep on Mature Land elsewhere. Thus we obey the letter of Linden Law.

What was the objective of this whole thing again? Make the grid more predictable?

Hahaha, Coulbe, you are luck that is not Portuguese the international language. At least in Brazil, many animal names have a sexual correspondence.

Galinha (female chicken), cadela/cachorra (bitch), cachorro (male dog), veado (deer), piranha (??), vaca (cow), pinto (chick), égua (mare), aranha (spider), cobra (snake), and many, many more.

That doesn't make sense. Either sex is banned or it ain't. The idea that i am going to feel comfortable on mature land having sex after this change is ludicrous. Of course i am going to feel totally uncomfortable about it. The bed i bought cannot be sold in mature anymore so how can it possibly be used in mature. Why is using it less of a problem than selling it. This is so making me angry. As far as i am concerned it doesn't matter what the definitions will be. It is absolutely clear 1. they will never make any definitions and 2. this is a big mess. The entire concept of 'mature' land is now meaningless as of now. We might as well just have PG and adult. What is the point of mature land if you cannot work out what rules apply to your use of it?

K

Curious about something...

What do you think the media would think if I cut out advertising Stepford, but kept it in place in Mature land?

To me it seems this might be a very heated story, showing the gigantic hole in LL *new* policy.

"Linden Labs attempted clean-up leaves heavy adult content still easily accessible"

What have I to lose? They will still have to offer a land swap if they pick up on this, no?

~j~

P.S. Anyone know reporters interested in this?

I think they'll return all the objects on the land and suspend your account without batting an eye.