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Argent Stonecutter
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05-25-2009 07:27
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Tier on estate is 50% higher than mainland, so more money for Linden Labs.
Only for people who own a region but no more than a region. Depending on the tier level of the parcel owners, tier on a mainland sim can be many times tier on an estate.
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Thorn Witrial
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05-25-2009 07:58
And besides, that only works if you don't take into account the many people who are tiering down out of rage and disgust.
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Deltango Vale
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05-25-2009 08:07
BTW, for those who don't know:

1. mainland tier increases in half-sim increments after a full sim. Therefore (using rounded numbers): a full sim costs $200, 1.5 sim costs $300, 2 sims costs $400

2. a non-Premium alt cannot buy tier (to contribute/donate to a group).

A fortune in tier can be saved by employing groups and Premium alts for land ownership, but the system, while powerful and highly sophisticated, suffers from bad terminology. There is no way a noob can figure it out by himself; it has to be taught by an experienced resident. Simple improvements in terminology would greatly increase the accessibility of group structures to mainland residents for land ownership.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-25-2009 10:07
From: Couldbe Yue
shall I turn the light off now? It looks like the thread has outlived its usefulness ;)


It has, but DanielRavenNest Noe made the best compendium/abstract ever, Lord Sullivan made the perfect environment for all serious infos, we have additional the open letter from hmmm? name? Kira? kara?, you asked Jack often for a rl meeting without PR blabla, JIRA is now nr.1, wherever hotspot I land I see the protest material and posters, three threads are packed up ot the roof, much people activated their groups and friends and strangers for participation and voting, much people made mountains of info-material and filled tjeir blogs with infos, much people made translation work and much more is done.

We can again point on http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/JIRA_Issue_Discussion at this weeks OH's and more we cannot do.

It is now at the Lindens.

Our job is so far done. The Lindens asked..., we listened and answered. LL moved so far not a millimeter.
Kara Spengler
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05-25-2009 10:21
Kira was the one that wrote the open letter. I forgot who offered to meet Jack in RL after he said nobody was communicating our problems to LL.
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Thorn Witrial
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05-25-2009 11:16
From: Kara Spengler
Kira was the one that wrote the open letter. I forgot who offered to meet Jack in RL after he said nobody was communicating our problems to LL.


It was Couldbe Yue.
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Couldbe Yue
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05-25-2009 11:17
From: Kara Spengler
Kira was the one that wrote the open letter. I forgot who offered to meet Jack in RL after he said nobody was communicating our problems to LL.



Moi. I offered to meet him at the offices in Brighton and all he said was he doesn't work out of there and ignored the rest of my questions about trying to set up a meeting.

There's a surprise - not.
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Couldbe Yue
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05-25-2009 11:19
From: Thorn Witrial
It was Couldbe Yue.



snap!!!

/me waves to Thorn :)

Tumbleweed has written to Cyn asking for an inworld meeting between the two of them and moi.. Whether she even bothers to reply, let alone agree is another matter.
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Couldbe Yue
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05-25-2009 11:24
From: DanielRavenNest Noe

Meanwhile, in reviewing the MISC-2727 comments, I came across the best conspiracy theory:

Ursula will intentionally be undersized and filled with the most obvious adult businesses. At the same time the community standards will be strict enough to drive other people to Adult estate regions from the mainland. Tier on estate is 50% higher than mainland, so more money for Linden Labs. They don't especially care if Mature and PG mainland drops in price. That will encourage neighbors to pick up land left behind, or new players to buy or rent. But with an even exchange of mainland for estate, they come out ahead on tier.

This theory fits what we have observed pretty well. I just don't credit them with that level of inventive sneakiness, but that's just my opinion :-)


I don't think it's a conspiracy theory at all - they may not have articulated it but when they decided they'd let us keep the old mainland as a sop as long as we were prepared to go up a tier if necessary then you could see they were smelling the money.

I noticed that Jack also indicated that full tier owners may be offered an island rather than a new patch of mainland.. fits in nicely as the tier goes up and if the owner keeps the slab of mainland then they've just made 150% increase on payments.

I do strongly believe that a lot of people will take them up on the offer - just because they have to move but can't bear being parted from their current home.
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05-25-2009 13:52
From: Wynochee LeShelle
It has, but DanielRavenNest Noe made the best compendium/abstract ever, Lord Sullivan made the perfect environment for all serious infos, we have additional the open letter from hmmm? name? Kira? kara?, you asked Jack often for a rl meeting without PR blabla, JIRA is now nr.1, wherever hotspot I land I see the protest material and posters, three threads are packed up ot the roof, much people activated their groups and friends and strangers for participation and voting, much people made mountains of info-material and filled tjeir blogs with infos, much people made translation work and much more is done.

We can again point on http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/JIRA_Issue_Discussion at this weeks OH's and more we cannot do.

It is now at the Lindens.

Our job is so far done. The Lindens asked..., we listened and answered. LL moved so far not a millimeter.


I am still watching the thread, just been finishing off the garden, with the beautiful weather we have had and painting the bedroom over the weekend for the new bed lol and I will start collating more information for the SLapt.me wiki. I am also making a pdf daily of the Jira MISC-2727 and will ensure it is uploaded to a fileshare service and linked from the wiki at least once a week in case it disappears and SLapt.me is being coded for the new SL venture it was intended for, although as I promised the wiki will always be an integral part and I hope that people start using it and building on what we already have :)

Please feel free to create your own user pages and link them to your in world businesses etc. on the wiki, if you want any specific sections email me or contact one of the wiki admins.

Also on a side note please read the Grid staus report regarding Maintenance work May 26th, 12am to 6am PST

http://status.secondlifegrid.net/

Maybe a chance not to log in and enjoy a bit of RL :)
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Couldbe Yue
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05-25-2009 15:33
just tried to add the link to the press conference transcript and failed miserably.. :(

I really hate wikis.. user unfriendly beasts that they are.. grrrr

I left it up so some kind soul can pick up the link and fix it..

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Category:Adult_Transcripts

bah :)
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Kara Spengler
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05-25-2009 16:17
From: Couldbe Yue
Moi. I offered to meet him at the offices in Brighton and all he said was he doesn't work out of there and ignored the rest of my questions about trying to set up a meeting.

There's a surprise - not.


I thought it might have been you but my chat logs of that OH are elsewhere. It sounds about right for that OH seeing he had just said we were not communicating with them (my response was to list the various methods we had used and ask how we should communicate .... no reply).
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Kara Spengler
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05-25-2009 16:20
I wonder what measure they use to say a given JIRA is significant or not? I guess it must not be popularity.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-25-2009 19:16
From: Lord Sullivan
I am still watching the thread, just been finishing off the garden, with the beautiful weather we have had and painting the bedroom over the weekend for the new bed lol and I will start collating more information for the SLapt.me wiki. I am also making a pdf daily of the Jira MISC-2727 and will ensure it is uploaded to a fileshare service and linked from the wiki at least once a week in case it disappears and SLapt.me is being coded for the new SL venture it was intended for, although as I promised the wiki will always be an integral part and I hope that people start using it and building on what we already have :)

Please feel free to create your own user pages and link them to your in world businesses etc. on the wiki, if you want any specific sections email me or contact one of the wiki admins.

Also on a side note please read the Grid staus report regarding Maintenance work May 26th, 12am to 6am PST

http://status.secondlifegrid.net/

Maybe a chance not to log in and enjoy a bit of RL :)


I have a feeling that slapt.me will have a long life and it will grow. Very useful as independend user-developed info-station for many situations, groups and issues...

Linden Lab has sure more surprises to offer along the weeks, months and years...

Hehehe, it seems whole Europe is in spring cleaning and redecorating mode, because same here - new colors in every room.

;-)

And yes the LL maintenance-time is another good day for finishing that and also to let LL a bit alone for a day.

I was inspired by one of your former posts 2-3 weeks ago, searched then the internet about a fine frikandel recipe, found one perfect, hahaha ;-) ah good, because these are things which I miss here in Austria, and I make a summer-evening party with friends and all sorts of frikandels, frikadels, frikadelles.

This nice meat-snack will give new power to see Blondin on wednesday, lol.
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05-25-2009 20:17
From: Kara Spengler
I wonder what measure they use to say a given JIRA is significant or not? I guess it must not be popularity.
A JIRA can have a million votes, and still be completely ignored by the Lindens.
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05-26-2009 01:20
From: Couldbe Yue
just tried to add the link to the press conference transcript and failed miserably.. :(

I really hate wikis.. user unfriendly beasts that they are.. grrrr

I left it up so some kind soul can pick up the link and fix it..

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Category:Adult_Transcripts

bah :)


I have fixed it lol I had already put the link on the main page :P Why not create a page for yourself and play around as its a good way to learn :)
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Waterstar Eilde
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First AR on Arapaima?
05-26-2009 01:43
Took a mild-mannered neko alt to Arapaima today to check out some stuff about the new RC and within seconds she was being hassled by an idiot who rezzed a "deth (sic) to furfags" placard and started verbally abusing her.

Now, I'm not even remotely disturbed by such puerile behaviour, except that I do hate being interrupted when I'm working on something, so our friend was summarily ARd. The avatar was less than a month old and PIU, but with rather more than only a couple of weeks' experience, judging by appearance and manner.

So for those who wonder whether Ursula will be more grief-free than the mainland, I'm here to inform you that the advance guard is alive and well and already staking out Arapaima.

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Lasher Oh
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05-26-2009 02:01
From: Katheryne Helendale
A JIRA can have a million votes, and still be completely ignored by the Lindens.


I have a sneaky feeling the jira is well read by a lot of Lindens, but it's more than their jobs worth to make comments or acknowledgments other than ensuring nothing illegal is said or suggested.

It probably has a few of useful functions

- fits in with Linden Labs perverse sense of discussion, you know the one where they just tell everyone what they plan to do and then step back while we have a good ol' rant and then come back and tell us some more by way of 'we've listened and feel your pain - but....'

- it's also for them a useful place for residents to vent while they continue with the 'silent treatment'

- it's also a source of measurement of customer satisfaction - gives them an idea of what sort of shit storm they have to prepare themselves for when the Ursula plan is finally rolled out to the full population.

As for the 'silent treatment' I wonder if their PR gurus and spin advisers have explained to them that ignoring customers concerns is a sure fire route to resentment and lost business - I bet they wouldn't ignore one of their 'corporate' customers in the same way.

My guess is that there is a company embargo on all except approved Lindens engaging in debate lest they make another Meta Linden banana skin style slip up. That would make sense because in any organisation with 300 + employees you can be sure that there is not 100% approval of what their bosses are doing, in fact I doubt if their board even has 100% consensus - but the party line has to be followed and with a little touch fear culture deployed
potential 'whistle blowers' are going to keep their concerns to themselves - or maybe just use an alt to vote with us in the jira

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Lasher Oh
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05-26-2009 02:41
The Irony of the SL slogan 'Your World Your Imgination' got me yesterday so I just couldn't resist adding a twist.

New Poster - also containing a full set of full perm protest materials and info available here

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1496849

Will add to the wicki when I'm back

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Kara Spengler
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05-26-2009 03:19
From: Lasher Oh
My guess is that there is a company embargo on all except approved Lindens engaging in debate lest they make another Meta Linden banana skin style slip up.

I always wondered about that, I thought their new policy only allowed Lindens to talk on secondlife.com sites? Or did that just get extended to xstreet since they own them now?
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Couldbe Yue
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05-26-2009 04:06
I saw this quote and think it's extremely relevant to what's happening here..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8067052.stm

From: someone

A PhD rocket scientist who works for NASA took me to lunch in LA and gave me her opinion of the problem. She said Americans are polarising into segregated communities where people are all the same - politically, socially, religiously, economically. They never encounter challenges to their thinking and subsequent personal development which come from experiencing diversity. The democratic process is not achieving consensus.


It's not just America though, the more the world becomes global the more tribal it seems to become.

Cleaning up search and sweeping us to one place is part of this. When all is said and done business and academics just want stability and security (data and from those flying penises), but Meta's untold missing millions *need* their tightly compartmentalised world.

It's all very one dimensional.

I was in my shop a few days back and one of the most appallingly rudest, badly dressed (think cheap whore look) and dare I say low IQ avs I have ever had the misfortune to clap eyes on came through. The chat I saw was enough to have my finger on the eject button but I didn't follow through because stupid isn't a crime nor does it breach the ToS.

That's what's the most galling.. those kinds of people can AR the adult community because everyone knows sex is bad/violence good but we can't AR the stupid and the narrow minded. They have the upper hand and all this is really about LL pandering to them and their spending power. :(
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Waterstar Eilde
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05-26-2009 05:07
This. And a natural consequence will be less creation - however amateurish - by the general population, less control over 'our world', more provided content and a push to purchase through Xstreet (hence LL's canny purchase), while the truly talented creators will, I think, move on to new pastures. :(
Yoki Enoch
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05-26-2009 06:59
Watch for PG regions to be targets of more griefer attacks in the immediate future. Apparently, it is already happening.
Couldbe Yue
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05-26-2009 08:39
From: Katheryne Helendale
A JIRA can have a million votes, and still be completely ignored by the Lindens.



yep.. but there is one way to bring it to their attention.. put it on the agenda for the jira triage

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage

It would need to go to the general meeting, but it will be interesting to see whether they take it off the agenda or close it or do some convoluted twist to try to ignore it.

Their guidelines are interesting - well, I thought so..
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Meade Paravane
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05-26-2009 09:03
From: Couldbe Yue
yep.. but there is one way to bring it to their attention.. put it on the agenda for the jira triage..

They know about MISC-2727. How could they NOT know?

Getting it on the triage agenda won't do much, IMO. They will just note that it's a policy issue that should either be ignored or closed.

Getting M or Cyn or somebody like that to comment on it would be better. Having somebody at that level even acknowledge that not all is happy in resident-land would be a big step and more progress than I've seen since the start of this mess.
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