RC Questions

I don't think of my land as adult under Linden Labs "Adult Content" definitions, there isn't to my knowledge a single prim in Coonspiracy Central or Avalon Lagoon that's beyond even the watered down definition of PG in KB6010. I would still elect to have my land classified Adult instead of Mature if that option were available, because that's what I thought I was buying into.

Roll back the clock to June 2006 and stop letting people sign up for free with no verification whatsoever.

I bought Mature land SPECIFICALLY to have the POTENTIAL to do whatever I wished with it. I paid a PREMIUM to buy UNRESTRICTED land. The fact that I never actually used the land for controversial purposes is irrelevant. I paid for the 'property right', used or unused.

It's like buying an option on the film rights to a book. Maybe you use the option, maybe you don't - but you own that right. To have someone come along and say, "Hey, we don't think that book should be made into a film, we are taking away your option," represents a major change in the property-rights structure of the universe.

Unless the communications manager actually has an impact on policy, so they can honestly act as an intermediary, it's going to be a tough job to fill no matter whether we're wolves or goats.

I am pretty sure you know what I was saying, and now are just being evasive. In case you didn't, I was saying that a survey that asks if people engage in adult activities in SL does not provide any answers either way on what they do on their own land. It supports neither side.

I do not have any surveys to counter with, but that does not give your evidence more strength.

I have responded to criticisms of the plan, and in some cases agree openly with criticisms of the plan. Please do the courtesy of taking criticisms of the opposition with equal curtesy.

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On that quote, I do agree that LL are NUTS. The only degree to which the definitions should be separate is that LL would be dealing with decisions in house rather than sending them to the film board. Otherwise they should be using the same or essentially the same definitions, and not doing so is completely bonkers.

And yes, I agree that this plan should be shelved until/unless they are willing to come to their senses on that.

And that is why I feel everyone should have the right to move, no questions asked, and that right should probably be grandfathered.

On adult land, the only limit would be one you are willing to accept SL-wide, namely verification.

Assuming that right to move is available to you, with proper levels of support for the move (not merely token support), then what is your objection?

And I agree you should have that right and that option, and proper support to manage that move (including but not limited to LL mirroring your original site temporarily to ensure nothing is lost, and providing a meaningful period of time for the move to be carried out).



Again, I am not against that. There are down sides to that option too though (mostly being less people will give SL a try if they have to pay up front even to look).

The 'right' to move? Why should anyone be forced to move at all? It's like having the 'right' to be punched in the mouth.

IF IF IF there is to be a new 'Xtreme' continent then it must be self-defining and self-settling in order to be viable. CARROT, NOT STICK. Please see my article "A Better Plan for Ursula".

If self defining was working, LL would not be doing this. This plan requires both effort and risk, and corporations take on neither just for the sake of doing so.

Moving virtual content (even being required to do so) is not the same as being punched in the mouth. If you really believe the two equate, then don't try to make any arguements that SL is 'only virtual,' or 'only cartoon.'

This is why I keep mentioning "free move, or refund". They want to change the product *after* selling it to us. So the only fair option is a refund if you dont accept the changes.

(and for anyone who does not think Linden Labs *sells* land, look at the front page of the website, and the connected land pages. They all talk in terms of "own", "buy", "purchase".)

I'd agree with that being included in the options too. as long as it was only a refund of the original purchase price and not tier paid along the way.

Read "A Better Plan for Ursula" to understand what I mean by self-defining. It hasn't been tried yet!

I shake my head in disbelief. Do you actually ever go into Second Life? Do you own land there, a house maybe? Yes, okay, I'll be over in a week to move you to an island I have chosen. What's with you?

I didn't say "I should have the right to move", or that "I should have support in the move", I said "I should be able to have my land designated adult". I'm willing to accept less than that, but I'm not going to be offered anything "less than that", and you know it, so why are you even speculating about such options? They won't happen.

Back when that was the norm you didn't have to pay up front to look. You signed up with your credit card, and you had a week to click "cancel" before they charged you.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727

Only 7 more votes needed for it to be the most voted on issue...

Gomez

Agree. This whole damn convoluted mess is the result of Linden Lab's policy change of June 2006. Now LL are tying themselves and everyone else up in knots with half-baked ideas of forcing people to move based on arbitrary restrictions. The goal now is for experienced residents to help Linden Lab get out of this mess - not stir the pot! (reference to others, not to you.)

Blondin, when you return, if you return. Smiles! I have a question which I've not seen addressed before. (My apologies if it has been). What happens to you if you are not a landowner in SL but do rent a parcel on a sim, where you conduct your business, you've paid your "rent" (tier) regularly and faithfully, and have complied with the covenant if one exists for your parcel. If your business is deemed to be "adult" in content, and the sim owner decides to leave your parcel Mature, you will not have the option for a land swap. Nor will you be able to remain open. Are those people being told, oops sorry, you're now out of business unless you want to buy a whole sim on Ursula, assuming there is one left to buy, and yes you will have to rebuild to suit that parcel out of your own pocket. I know several club owners personally who do not own the sim they are on, do not have the resources to purchase a whole sim and one specifically who has already had to change their venue to accomodate the new regime. We do not expect to have to move, but is LL seriously telling people who have spent hours every day building their business and spending their RL $ that they are now going to have to run "Mickey Mouse" events and be upstanding goody goods or get out? You've not as far as I've seen left any options for these people. Am I correct to assume that we are being told close or spend several hundred USD's more to continue to run?

Yes - I may or may not use - or may have in the past and may or may not want to in the future, use - my mature mainland for things which would soon contravene the adult content policy. Like many others, I chose mature mainland because it gave me the option to use it in the broadest way, according to the ToS/CS. If I had wanted further restrictions, I would have gone the PG land route.

What sits uncomfortably with me - aside from the the geographical separation element of the policy - is the whole question of 'public/private' - and how it will be interpreted. It appeared clear(ish) early on that unadvertised mature mainland - e.g. not included in the paid listings in Search, which appeared to be the definition of 'public' for Linden Lab (read: Blondin/Jack), whether the land was one's home, store, club or RP SIM - was unlikely to be considered as breaking any post U-day rules.

My gut - as that's all that appears to be around at the moment to confirm or deny - tells me that the 'public/private' definition is going to be a nightmare, very soon. I don't think my defence, which was going to be, "I was under the impression that if the land wasn't advertised, my pron would be ok", will work.

I've closed up shop (my home/club) and gone 'domestic' for the time being - but I imagine someone wanting to view my land as a deviant's playground will have a field day with complaints.

Dangerous, offensive content? Maybe.. to some A bit immature, lame and saddo, in my opinion, if it is seen as that, though.


Furthermore, as a user of SL 1.18.5 BE-v (Nicholaz patched on W2K) - running wonderfully with very few technical problems for nearly a year now - the inconsistency in Linden Lab's plan is making me sad and irritable now. It's likely I'll face technical restrictions for no good reason, even though this avatar (with estate land, rent paid to a private landlord) and my premium (with mature mainland, tier paid to LL) are verified.

(Yes, hopefully a newer PC will be on its way to resolve that little side issue )


P.S. Free Jack&Blondin facemasks on Xsteet, as a surreal counter-swipe (quickly made in a time out from doing 'offensive' things in SL)- see )

Given past performance over the past few weeks the chances of Blondin answering your query here is as likely as a finding a snowflake in hell. However our current understanding is that the owners of private sims can choose their own category. That means if the owner decides to set his sim as Mature and you have content that falls into the Adult category then you will need to move to an Adult sim or fork out for land in Ursula when the auctions finally open after all the forced move cattle wagons have been cleared.

I'm not sure what the ruling for private sims are BUT if you had a similar business on the mainland Blondin says that you can keep your business there so long as you don't advertise it using 'adult' descriptive words.

Pornsville is probably going to be one giant building site for a few months, If and when our community get the swap from mainland we have over two years worth of reconstruction to do, and as our places were shaped around a mountainside, we can't even just take the build back and rezz it again on the other side of the wall.

I suspect that there are still a huge number of adult business owners who have set their stall out on rented private land who still don't have a clue about what's going on, and equally I have a feeling a huge number of Sim owners are still in the dark too. And from some of my excursions around the grid talking to all sorts of owners of adult content - there is also a significant degree of burying heads in the sand and many demonstrating a 'deal with it when it becomes a problem' attitude.

Best thing you can do is recommend all your friends to head over to the jira and get their vote in

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727 and check the wiki for all the up-to-date info we have

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

^L^

Just when you think you've heard it all...I wonder if someone has put some chemical in California water?
First SL doing a complete uncalled for restructure of itself...now this

53 states?

http://www.breakingviews.com/2009/05/21/California%20break-up.aspx

I am sure they don't; I am sure, too, that most of them have the brains and initiative to find land somewhere on a sim with a sensible covenant and/or an owner with a good reputation to maintain. It isn't difficult, at least not if you deal with well-run private estates.

Great idea! Add BC to make it 54

To my mind, it's hardly a great challenge for an enterprising 14-year-old to discover her mother's driving licence or passport number, if she puts her mind to it.

Do you have any suggestions for eliminating this particular gaping hole?

You see, we bought land from LL with mineral rights and the works. We paid much higher prices for land then what it's worth now thanks to things LL did, driving down land prices.

Now they come in and say "Oh by the way, even though you bought this land with X and X mineral rights, were going to revoke them. Don't worry, it will only effect 4%"
When really, everyone whom bought mature land, will be effected. They may not be interested in adult activities today, but who says they won't tomorrow? Thats why most bought Mature in the first place.

See, PG, Mature, adult, and any other classification you want to look at can sell to anyone on any piece of land at any given time, well except for Adult and Mature can't sell on PG now, but they still get full exposure.
A very large percentage rents. When this takes effect, the people with PG content, if they are on a private estate that gets flagged to adult, will now most likely need to move to keep selling to everyone. So, not only will they have to move, but they will also loose business in the time it takes to find another good spot, and re open shop.

The ones that sell things rated "Mature" will have to move to another Mature parcel to maximize their exposure, other wise they can only sell to adult verified. Also loosing money to move, find another "Prime spot", & time closed due to relocating. (Thats not even counting the ones who sell PG, Mature, and Adult, who will have to own land in all 3 area's to get full exposure.)

Adult will be hit the hardest. They will loose some staff, vendors, and customers. As it stands right now, this moving business won't really be good for anyone except land barons who can cheat the system and set up PG parcels next to adult parcels, hence why the big players aren't up in arms. They have already been shown the loophole. Everyone else is S.O.L.

Now, most of us do agree that if an effective screening process can be put into place without risking our identity, then by all means do it. Thats not the argument. Besides, the ones getting in are already lieing to get in, what makes you think they can't figure out how to lie with a verification system in place? The only ones it's going to stop are the good kids who aren't coming in to grief or cause problems.

Now what makes more sense? Adding a PG mainland continent, where everyone logs in and isn't overly exposed to sex, and gives value to PG land, OR leaving them partially exposed not adding value to PG, causing a loss of value to Mature, and making everyone else have to fork out even more cash if the Lindens decide they don't need to move, but feel they need to move anyways since no 2 Lindens can give a good answer on what is or is not privacy, pretty much making SL a 3 ring circus for the next few months.

And to answer the "They could offer a refund." I've already been through a move once, I told them I just wanted to sell out and the answer was "We can't buy back the land, but we can swap with you."

Attachment to my current land. My hand being forced. The uneasy feeling I have that this is ONLY the beginning. What is your objection to moving because the rules have changed midstream?