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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Filtering Adult Content in Search and Classifieds

Jp Linden
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03-12-2009 09:00
We will provide careful guidance in the coming months as to what to expect when search results will begin to be influenced by your account’s verification settings. We plan to make it so that search results and classifieds using certain terms reserved exclusively for use in the Adult setting will not be visible to accounts set to the PG or M threshold.

What sort of search filtering would you like to see in Second Life?

Adult Oriented FAQ:
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6032
Atashi Toshihiko
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03-12-2009 10:25
From: Knowledge Base
For Adult content vendors, this initiative will also provide an additional layer of assurance that only verified adults can access their material.


While I'm not an 'adult content vendor', this exerpt from the linked KB article caught my eye. Why would I or anyone else want / need this 'additional layer of assurance'? Are there plans to merge the grids 'in the coming months' after this current initiative is completed?

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Renee Roundfield
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03-12-2009 10:36
I find it highly doubtful that this will work because you can't even keep blatant commercial shilling out of your events calendar, for instance.
Ananda Sandgrain
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03-12-2009 11:05
I kind of hope this part works because it is the one sensible idea in this whole announcement.
Ciaran Laval
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03-12-2009 11:08
This seems to be a waste of time, you already have the mature search flag. How many items in Second Life are mature? Surely educators and professionals can figure this out for themselves without the need for you to hold their hands.
Korena Starbrook
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03-12-2009 11:11
Those who are providing adult content in Second Life should NOT have to compete in the classified market with those who are not.

As long as the two are completely seperate - I see no issue with this change in terms of search and classifieds.

In other words, in classifieds, if I am searching for adult content - ONLY adult content should appear. Results should not be combined.

Good luck coming up with a globally acceptable set of community standards though. Some people in the world are actually not offended by a female nipple lol
robertltux McCallen
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One thing thats needed
03-12-2009 11:13
Certain keywords in a search need to show different things depending on what age you are "playing"

example
"babydoll" as a kid one would want different styling even if you were looking for the garment and not the toy.

lots of clothing items need to be split into kid and adult searches

also i would say that landmark boards need to be audited to mask out "keyword stuffing"
(hint if the board has a 30 word block at the bottom its a stuffed board)
Blondin Linden
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03-12-2009 11:35
From: Korena Starbrook


In other words, in classifieds, if I am searching for adult content - ONLY adult content should appear. Results should not be combined.

Good luck coming up with a globally acceptable set of community standards though. Some people in the world are actually not offended by a female nipple lol



That's a great point. We want to make sure that the results that pop up, are what you searched for! This would make it easier to not only find Adult content but will improve the ways adult vendors can market their goods.


:-)
Toy LaFollette
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03-12-2009 11:49
will it be possible for say a verified acct of a child av to have a choice not to see Adult content, just M and PG?
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Blondin Linden
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03-12-2009 12:11
From: Toy LaFollette
will it be possible for say a verified acct of a child av to have a choice not to see Adult content, just M and PG?



Yes. You can pick the content you wish to see. If you have no interest in Adult Content, then you don't have to do a thing.

For those who DO wish to search and access Adult content, they would chose to do so.
Kuroyanagi Habsburg
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03-12-2009 12:46
If memory serves me, the search result ranking was changed to give higher weight to locations in that were included in people's pics in addition to other information as a way to get rid of campers.

Stores run promotions now that say if you add this place to your pics you can win this contest or we'll pay you 10$l. How is this going to work with adult stores and classifides? I'm sure they'll be filtered, but if someone puts includes a pic for his favoruite girly bar or maybe even the Crack Den RPG (drug use) sim in the profile don't they run the risk of being banned for PG violations?

Why isn't an option to mark one's profile as containing adult content being included in this new push? Even though the TOS/CS forbid it there's a lot of stuff that's non-PG in those profiles.
Jeska Linden
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03-12-2009 12:56
From: Kuroyanagi Habsburg
If memory serves me, the search result ranking was changed to give higher weight to locations in that were included in people's pics in addition to other information as a way to get rid of campers.

Stores run promotions now that say if you add this place to your pics you can win this contest or we'll pay you 10$l. How is this going to work with adult stores and classifides? I'm sure they'll be filtered, but if someone puts includes a pic for his favoruite girly bar or maybe even the Crack Den RPG (drug use) sim in the profile don't they run the risk of being banned for PG violations?

Why isn't an option to mark one's profile as containing adult content being included in this new push? Even though the TOS/CS forbid it there's a lot of stuff that's non-PG in those profiles.



Heya Kuroyanagi! We are not currently filtering profiles, although as you mentioned per our Community Standards any content displayed within your profile (including picks) should confirm to the overall PG standards. We're not currently flagging profiles as pg/mature/adult, but I'll take that idea back to the team for their consideration.
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Gil Druart
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03-12-2009 12:58
From: Blondin Linden
That's a great point. We want to make sure that the results that pop up, are what you searched for ...


Ummm ... Blondin .. you almost sound like you believe you are adding an extra sprinkle to a system that does that already. If you hadn't noticed, that I-hope-not-expensive search engine you bought in from Google yields results that are unpredictable and unrepeatable. Even if you search on an exact name the odd notion of 'relevance' ensures that it will be somewhere on p12 of the results it seems. What works well on the big net doesn't necessarily work well for SL.

Before you mess around with more filters for heaven's sake give us something like 'sort results alphabetically' so that when all we want is a TP or an IM we can at least find what we want in deterministic time.
Krazzora Zaftig
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03-12-2009 13:26
From: Korena Starbrook
Those who are providing adult content in Second Life should NOT have to compete in the classified market with those who are not.

As long as the two are completely seperate - I see no issue with this change in terms of search and classifieds.

In other words, in classifieds, if I am searching for adult content - ONLY adult content should appear. Results should not be combined.

Good luck coming up with a globally acceptable set of community standards though. Some people in the world are actually not offended by a female nipple lol



I agree with this and frankly this should have been done ages ago. I honestly am an adults only user. I go to PG stuff maybe 1% of the time or by total accident. I hate having to search and getting tons of PG stuff that frankly I never care about. I want to speak and be who I am, how I am, and without censorship (verbal, visual, and otherwise).
Sierra Okame
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03-12-2009 13:45
I think you will find that classifying malls is going to be difficult. Many malls have stores that sell items that might be considered adult (toys, genitalia, sex beds) interspersed with other stores that are either PG or M...what would be the suggestion here? Sounds like we either need to keep the stores in one zoned area, or hide them behind a solid door that you can't see through, or ask them to leave, thus taking away from the economy of Second Life. The educators that asked for these "further controls"...can't they read M and PG? If not, maybe they should go back to school. If I am an educator, I stay out of M sims because they aren't going to offer anything that is going to further the results that I am looking to achieve.

To me, this "zoning" is going to be unworkable. If an "M" store is located in an "Adult" parcel or region, will they need a separate classified because its located in and adult area, even though they themselves do not sell any adult products? It seems to me that having all these people moving and reclassifying is going to do nothing but add to the malaise of the SL economy, as businesses get lost in the shuffle and creators of Adult product find they no longer have access to advertising to the community at large, only to those specifically choosing to look at adult classifieds. I think personally if people dont want to access mature items, stay out of mature areas. We ARE supposed to all be adults here, why do we need more and more policing?
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Allie Ree
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03-12-2009 15:06
Currently our shop sells 83 items. I would classify only about 10% of them as Adult Content. I always list our shops as Mature content so shoppers would be aware they will encounter it. How would my shop be effected by the new search system? Would only those looking for adult content be able to find it?

The proposed system seems to have the potential to be both redundant and unnecessarily restrictive. According to the agreement we sign when we create an account, we are all over 18 or we wouldn't be here. We also currently have a way to filter search results to omit adult content, the only change I read in the proposal is that users must be age verified to select "view mature content".

Verification if it is to be done, should be done at the point of account creation. It should also function internationally before any plan to place restrictions on residents of the adult grid is rolled in. Last time I tested, although I have been verified and re-verified, I still can not teleport into verification restricted parcels. Maybe this has been fixed. I don't know any region using the system anymore to test it.
Nany Kayo
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03-12-2009 15:33
This new policy is really going to be helpful for educational and social services projects in SL.

Search results are just a nightmare right now with in-your-face exploitation of every possible keyword.

I am going to celebrate when the last SL business using the name of my tribe to sell sex is screened out of general search.
Henri Beauchamp
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03-12-2009 15:34
From: Jp Linden
We will provide careful guidance in the coming months as to what to expect when search results will begin to be influenced by your account’s verification settings. We plan to make it so that search results and classifieds using certain terms reserved exclusively for use in the Adult setting will not be visible to accounts set to the PG or M threshold.
For a start, everyone on the main SL grid is supposed to be an adult (if they are not, it's their parents' responsibility to punish them for accessing adult stuff while they are minors. Period).
So, in fact, the "PG" rating should not be there in the first place. It is misleading as it could actually lead people to think that minors would be allowed to roam PG regions on the grid. The "Mature" rating is no better as it would imply one could find immature stuff on the grid.

So, as far as I am concerned, I'd like to see the PG and Mature ratings replaced with "Mundane" and "Fantasy" ones.

"Mundane" means no nudity, no sex, no violence: everything legal you can do in real life in the street would be legal in SL's "Mundane" parcels.

"Fantasy" is the rest (including all role-play and role-play aids dealing with sexual and violent fantasies, and I *do* mean *all*, i.e. including role-played murder or slavery, for example).

People seeking only to meet in-world for business or education will obviously choose to restrict their searches to "Mundane", while the others will choose to include the "Fantasy" stuff.

There should be no need to restrict the searches based on the age verification (since everyone connected on the grid must be an adult).

As for age-verification itself, the "Payment Info Used" would be enough of a proof, but there should really be no need for it at all (again: SL = Adult - Teen grid = minors).
MarillaAnne Slade
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Is the "Search & Classifieds" Dept even Staffed?
03-12-2009 15:41
Is SL actually going to devote staff to the guarding of Search? It's pretty obvious that the Search dept is actually vacant. I'd say most days there's at least two or three non pg ad on the first page of the "not mature" search results and ads are even worse.

Since SL is not even policing the rules they've had in place for over a year ... why is everybody in an uproar?

And while we're still on the subject of the vacant search dept ... How is it that the following technique can be used to place on the first page for hair and top two listings for mens hair? Did someone forget to turn the spam filter on?

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Matthew Dowd
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03-12-2009 16:04
I may be missing something but how does this new "Adult" flag differ from the existing "Mature" flag for items in search?

Matthew
Ciaran Laval
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03-12-2009 16:09
From: Matthew Dowd
I may be missing something but how does this new "Adult" flag differ from the existing "Mature" flag for items in search?

Matthew


Educators and Professionals are apparently incapable of turning off the mature flag so maybe they'll have more luck with an adult flag.
Matthew Dowd
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03-12-2009 16:13
From: Ciaran Laval
Educators and Professionals are apparently incapable of turning off the mature flag so maybe they'll have more luck with an adult flag.



Errr, I thought the Mature flag was OFF by default for searches. So presumedly Educators and Professionals have a problem with not being able to prevent themselves turning on the mature search setting, and then can't work out how to switch it off again?

Presumedly, when all the same problems emerge for the Adult flag (people switching it on and then complaining that they get adult items in search etc.), LL will introduce a XXX flag?

Matthew
Jeska Linden
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03-12-2009 16:16
Generally, we're very aware that the current search results are not always accurate and we have been (and will continue to) work to improve them alongside other portions of the inworld experience. As someone who spent a long time in conversation with the community about search, I appreciate the frustration! We've currently got several different teams internally working to improve search and related inworld services. Please keep an eye on the blog/forum for more news on these ongoing improvements.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-12-2009 16:19
From: Matthew Dowd
Errr, I thought the Mature flag was OFF by default for searches. So presumedly Educators and Professionals have a problem with not being able to prevent themselves turning on the mature search setting, and then can't work out how to switch it off again?

Presumedly, when all the same problems emerge for the Adult flag (people switching it on and then complaining that they get adult items in search etc.), LL will introduce a XXX flag?

Matthew


Well you know how these things happen, the same as educators and professionals get caught accidentally downloading porn at work, poor dears, they need nannying.
Matthew Dowd
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03-12-2009 16:19
From: Jeska Linden
Generally, we're very aware that the current search results are not always accurate and we have been (and will continue to) work to improve them alongside other portions of the inworld experience.


Which doesn't answer the question why you don't just improve how the existing Mature flagging works in search rather than invent a new Adult flag, which appears to have no essential difference to the existing Mature flag!

Matthew
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