Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Filtering Adult Content in Search and Classifieds

Anabella,

I think you missed the point of the OP, which was that even with the mature checkbox unticked you get lots of results back which clearly should have been tagged with mature (searching for "sex" with the mature checkbox unchecked should return results such as "sex free beach", "no sex please we're British"..., not "sex club"

i.e. the reason people get inappropriate results back even if they've set everything to be PG is that people are not correctly tagging mature ads as mature.

Why LL thinks the situation will be any different if they add an Adult tag (which essentially duplicates the Mature tag) is unclear. If LL really do have some solutions which will ensure that Adult content is correctly tagged, why they can't just apply this solution to the existing Mature tag is equally unclear.

Or perhaps the LL plan is to wait six months, and when people aren't correctly tagging their mature/adult ads as mature or adult (or both) introduce a new XXX tag...

Matthew

I am concerned my land and products may not fit into the surch correctly as my land is mature. But my products are not. Right now my land is open to any one wishing to shop my wears. But the land owner has all of his sims set to mature. Even though he does not allow any adult activity out in the open.

Nope. "sex" was the easiest search word to use to make this point. I searched with a PG search. Got numerous non-PG results for sexclubs and sexual products. The keywords mixed in with the word sex in most of these listings were innocent, such as rug, ball, kitchen, family.... So anyone searching for those innocent keywords WILL come across these places when they were not looking for them, because the businesses in question are cheating and not marking themselves as mature.

My main point is, if they cannot enforce this now, how will they suddenly be able to enforce it after they have forced all the "legitimate" adult businesses to move?

Sorry i was not clear enough on this.

I'd imagine all classifieds and show in search places set on locations in the adult continent will automatically be flagged adult.

Well they could do that now with classifieds on mature areas. I suppose the objection is that someone might be running a PG business on mature land.

However, it is quite possible that someone would want to run a non-adult business on adult land (e.g. someone running an adult business and a non-adult business, wanting to do so as seperate skyboxes on the same plot rather than go to the expense of having to buy two plots on seperate sims and pay twice the tier). And how would this work for private estates - if one of the residents has an adult business out of site in a skybox, does this mean the estate holder has to mark the whole estate as adult, and thus force every other residents ads to become adult?

Matthew

That would be best, thanks.

Hi i run a lingerie and Dance apperal store no attachments or anything that. the name of my store is iffy for yoru new guide lines "Simply Orgasmic" how will this effect my buisness? will i have to move and change all my search terms or change the name of my store?

What about if your Add as adult and Mature keywords do you have plans to filter out just the words that dont fit into adult and PG, or move the whole ad to mature?

As a teacher of 4th graders you should be fired!!!!!!!!!
upon signing up for second life you have to state you are 18!
what are you doing helpiing 4th graders sign up in a class room?

Waiter...I need a drink. Then sex with an Ancient Egyptian.

Alondra, you are violating LL's TOS left and right here. These youngsters should not be in SL. Why on earth did you have 4th graders create SL accounts??

A broader point that troubles me too...I'm a college prof and blogger about SL, and maybe my own remarks at NWN, my own blog (yeah, it's got tons of readers...hehheh) have encouraged the rumor-mill that .edu customers are driving this change.

For the record, on and ed list I got tons of verbal abuse when I even *suggested* that educators might want to be careful about their profile contents (in case puritanical admins or helicopter parents see them). In my experience, college faculty in SL tend to be more adventurous than our peers who don't teach in or about SL. I've not done a sex-bed survey yet....but I bet a few of them are cyber-shagging and not talking about it.

I'll be Dr. Kinsey with his clipboard...I am an Indiana U alum.

The rumor-mill will grind on, but one key issue stands out in this thread: search reeks. Even when the mature flag is disabled, all sorts of kinky content pops up...a lot of it hold-your-sides-while-laughing funny.

Linden Lab needs to fix search and classified, no matter what else they do with and to us, edus and non-edus alike.

Our 4th Grader has returned home, let's listen in:

"What did you do in school today Mary?"

"Oh we had fun! Miss Numbskull let us play a computer game"

"Oh? What kind of game?"

"Something about Life or something. I don't remember for sure. But it was really neat. You could go to all the cool places, like magic. We saw The Pyramids, and Hogwarts and everything."

"Wow. That sounds really nice, Hon."

*Mom goes back to wasing the dishes*

"Yeah. At the Pyramids it was really cool. We saw a guy with a camel. He made us laugh."

"What did he do?"

"Well he took out his pee pee. But it wasn't small like Daddy's, it was REALLLLYYY big and funny looking. And he kept trying to get on the camel to go somewhere, but he kept bouncing up and down. I guess his pee pee was getting in the way. "*giggles*

.edu or .ac.uk customers need to be more sensible, I work in education, we block porn but we get complaints galore about some ofthe sites we ban, we're a core 16-18 college but we have people much older. Common sense has to dictate and we can't allow our customers to find porn (although they do) we make as good a fist of it as we can but we tread on toes, one example was an art student who wanted to exemplify fetish clothing, we banned the sites she wanted to exemplify, we made an exception so she could get the pictures but we kept the site as a whole banned.

No doubt this one will drown along with the rest of our yet unanswered questions..

Nonetheless, I strongly feel that all SL residents need to unite on this one, somehow.

All our differences aside, I think this entire issue warrants a Leader (obviously apart from LL), whom we feel we can trust to voice our opinions efficiently.

We have our hearts in this (I can see that we are many in number). But we can't all sit around and stare at the screen all day long for the next 6 weeks or more. I feel we need representation..!!

Anyone out there with me on this?
Someone who has been around for long enough to cut through the BS?
Someone who speaks the corporate lingo?
Anyone out there prepared to help us through this mess effectively?

Unfortunately Aeon the 'contract' we all signed says something like 'may change at any time.'

It's their deal unfortunately, if they wanted to turn the entire place into a chicken coop they could. We'd all either have to learn to start clucking or find another hobby.

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Is any attempt going to be made to preserve the All search rankings
of places that have to move to the new continent?
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I ask this because, unless the Picks in people's profiles are changed to the new place, the move will cause the current rankings to plummet out of sight which, for many people, is not an insignificat thing.

a post i made in another thread that i feel belongs here...

The upcoming changes have me rather worried as a merchant here in SL. My store would be perfectly fine classifed as mature. the name of my store is quite possibly another story "Simply Orgasmic" I sell mostly lingerie and more daring clothing. Im not sure how the word filters will affect my ability to advertise.
These are just some of the issues i see before us. Even for educational purposes, can you see a woman health class talking about the troubles of achivinig orgasm if that word is filtered, or a group designed to help women break out of the adult entertainment buisenss ie, (Strippers) if they cant say we are here to help you leave that buisness and so forth, what are the Linden's plans for filters involving education, surport groups or stores that rely on these words to get there point across that dont involve overtly mature content?

Why or how exactly would this be much differnt than the current 'Mature' search? We are being given this hassle over people falling and tripping over sex everywhere that it is not suposed to be because...?WHY?

It seems much or any of this would not be needed if LL policed the tools already in place.
If I open Search>Places untick SHOW PARCELS WITH MATURE CONTENT and type 'sex' as the searchword... what do I get returned.... listing with mature parcel after mature parcel, Sex Furniture seller after sex furniture seller. Nothing against sex furniture sellers... I use ALOT of their services, but really now.. do they not realize their product would be considered 'mature'? Why is that not being policed? The 'ad' itself is not explicit in some cases (..alot are though), but the content to which it points is. Not only does this give the whole industry a bad name and image, but it is hardly fair to the sellers of adult items that are honest and mark their land ads and classifieds mature. Even in a tastefully done store without explicit images, these items are on display, the chances of soemone not wanting to see objectionable material going there and seeing two photorealistic avatars pixelhumping is pretty high. They should not expect to see that though, because they used the available LL provided tool to opt of of seeing mature content, they simply went to one of the search results returned to them while using that tool.

Worse yet... I have that same 'show me the bad stuff' box unticked and type F**K (in unedited form) as the searchword in 'places'. I get almost 100 results.... why? *baffles* Try that with several other extremely naughty words... result after result is returned.

F word in classifieds with show mature unticked... 171 results....what?!?

On the front page of the ALL search when you have SHOW PARCELS WITH MATURE CONTENT unticked there are 8 or so pushed (Top Paid) ads there, several of these are for sex item sellers. How is that? Why is that? Why havent these ads been canceled sans refund for not following the rules already in place.

Shouldn't it be at least ONE persons job to sit around and at a MINIMUMN type badwords into the non-mature search and cancel/warn whatever, belonging to whoever, shows up.

Again, I have nothing against adult item sellers, love them,I wouldn't be hanging out in SL without the stuff. But this is the exact kind of thing that is the problem. If you have F**K in your ad you know good and well that is considered mature and should be marked as such.
It should be -
1st time warning & cancel ad with no refund.
2nd time -cancel ad with no refund. 1 week account suspension & parcel blocked from traffic/sales for 1 week.
3rd time - cancel ad with no refund. 1 month account suspension & parcel blocked from traffic/sales for 1 month & six month suspension from posting classified or land ads.
4th time - account canceled.

** If during suspension an alt account posts an ad to that same parcel or material and the ad is in violation, the alt account is immediatly cancled and an additional 1 month suspension and parcel closing is placed on the main account.

If you are posting an ad and are in doubt if it should be mature or not... then it likely is or you wouldn't have to think about it. Mark it mature and turn in a support ticket asking LL how it should be classed if it is too grey for you to figure out on your own.

I have no sympathy for people that are offended when they know good and well that they are in a mature region and may see mature things. But by the same account if they untick show mature content/parcels in search, the results returned should not be directing them to things that are overtly and obviously mature in nature. That is no ones fault but LLs and the unscrupulous cheaters that knowingly put mature items into the non-mature search.

When LL has done such a poor job of managing and apparently not even bothering to glance at the current non-mature search why would the customer base belive that this new plan would be any better monitored or solve any of the existing problems whatsoever? If the same pattern holds true for this as the current mature vs. non-mature search LL would just open the 'adult' content tell everyone to move that should and then never look to see if anyone actually moved or not. If you won't police or use what is already there, why should we think you will police or use all of this new stuff coming at us?

Why is it the failure to use or monitor the already in place rules and systems brings the onus of hardship down on the entire resident base. It would be much much different if it were said - look we are working dillegently with the current tools for managing this type of thing and they just are not enough, we are going to have to make some changes that will cause a firestorm of bad customer sentiment and disrupt alot of peoples lives and buisneses (I say alot because I think we have already determined here that 2-4% might be missing a leading 9.. or a least a trailing 0). But that isn't the case, the tools in place are not being used at all and you are asking for even more. How about using the hammer first, and if that doesnt work... then ask us for the nail gun.

QFT

Yet ANOTHER case of poorly designed, implemented or maintained systems failing and the general population of residents being asked to carry the brunt. First Land, Open Sims.. I'm sure there's more.

You don't owe us a complete explanation as to why the technical and human resources you've applied so far are not up to the task but it would certainly be appreciated.

While in some ways I support this (I blogged as to why), what some people are suggesting absolutely terrifies me.

There's enough justification to accommodate the diversity of cultures for all of us of age, but god forbid the teen grid joins us.

Thanks for your input - We are reading each of these responses. We'll be following up later this week with a recap and schedule of in-world brown bags next week.

UPDATE...please check condensed thread for continued dialog on the subject...
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