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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

Jp Linden
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03-12-2009 08:59
We’ve carefully researched the anticipated impact the geographically separate Adult “mainland” will have, and our goal is to provide Adult goods or service providers the means to continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. In the coming months, we will announce the plan to help the affected Residents and Merchants get set up on the new mainland. While this move will only be required of mainland Residents who wish to continue to provide Adult content or engage in Adult activity, estate owners with Adult content on their land will also be required to flag their estate appropriately. Estate owners or tenants will not be required to move to the new Adult mainland, though certain estate tenants wishing to reside on a parcel of a maturity setting appropriate to their desired activity may need to move to an appropriately flagged private estate.

What is important for us to consider in this regard from a Resident perspective?

Adult Oriented FAQ:
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6032
Atashi Toshihiko
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03-12-2009 10:27
Wow.

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Marianne McCann
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03-12-2009 10:27
What about those who don't provide adult content, but really don't want to deal with non-adult second Life members? Do we need to move to the ghetto too?
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Shockwave Yareach
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03-12-2009 10:31
Why not instead, create a NEW land mass for everyone who creates a new character past this date and is unverified? Force that NEW landmass to be a kiddie pool. You start ordering people to leave their current homes because they have a sexbed, and you can kiss 3/4 of your remaining users goodbye, plain and simple.

You are going about this the hard way. Why should WE have to move because you want to combine grids? Why should WE eat the loss trying to sell land that nobody will want now? Why turn our worlds into Disneyland, when it is far far easier for you to create the same land mass, make all new unverified members go there and force it to be PG? You are moving the mountain when it's much simpler to instead move the molehill. Forcing your dedicated hardcore userbase to abandon builds they've put much time and effort into because of your desire to bring little Betty Teenyboop into the main grid... I cannot come up with description that accurately portrays how shortsighted this is!!!

If you force us to move, we'll move all right - straight to the exits.

You want to bring the kiddies into the adult grid? Fine. Give them a Kiddie landmass on the main grid and keep all new unverifieds and underaged restricted to that place. If you thought you lost people in the last few months, brother JP, you ain't seen anything yet if you implement your plan the way you said you would. Our current homes and groups of friends are all that keep us here. Uproot us, and we have zero reason to remain anymore.
Cristiano Midnight
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03-12-2009 10:32
What does this mean for those who own land in M sims for the purpose of not being afraid that an errant swear word or pixel boob will cause the TOS hammer to come down upon you? Are all of the M sims magically going to turn PG?
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Sougent Harrop
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Better Define Geographical Separation?
03-12-2009 10:32
What exactly are we talking about in regards to geographical separation? For example, I have land on the mainland, next door is a BDSM place. Would someplace like that be relocated or what? My land is set to mature, but it's basically set up as a garden and there's no reason why anyone couldn't just drop in. How would this work with the place next door, which quite obviously would be covered under this separation?

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Les White
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03-12-2009 10:33
Every time things start to level out in SL you silly lindens pull a huge pile of **** out of your ***.
Eli Schlegal
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03-12-2009 10:33
What the hell? I hope you are planning on paying me TOP dollar for my land when you force me to move to the ghetto because I "engage in Adult activity". I'm thinking $30L per square meter is a nice figure.
This is BS.
Eli Schlegal
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03-12-2009 10:34
From: Les White
Every time things start to level out in SL you silly lindens pull a huge pile of **** out of your ***.

Sorry... you will have to move if you want to talk like that. Potty mouth :p
Atashi Toshihiko
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03-12-2009 10:35
Is the new adult content stuff going to be shoehorned into the current "M" and "PG" rating set, or will you be adding a third rating for "Adult"?

To follow up on what Chritiano said, I'm not hopping on poseballs or whatever, but have been known to utter the occasional swear word, and maintain a clothing-optional beach. To my sense of standards, it is a 'mature' area but by no means 'adult'.

I am hoping there is still going to be some middle ground where we can be 'mature' without also having to be 'xxx-rated'.

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Allen Kerensky
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Porn Ghetto
03-12-2009 10:39
From: Jp Linden
We’ve carefully researched the anticipated impact the geographically separate Adult “mainland” will have


I am confused by this entire anti-"adult" push, especially when I've seen welcome area notecards describing the "adult" opportunities in SL.

Creating a new continent just for "adult" is no different than the old suggestions of the "porn grid" and such. The entire idea just smacks of creating a "porn ghetto" for the edification of a narrow-minded minority, and publicity reasons.

If I had a vote here, which I don't, I would vote "no" to this whole "politically correct and marketable for the squeamish" idea. When I signed up to SL, the terms clearly stated the Agni grid was for *adults* 18+. So, its not like a surprise that "adult things" happen. Please stop trying to turn LL into toddler's playpen and let people be the adults they are without interference. "Mature" areas are fine *as-is* with the Community Standards and ToS to provide guidelines if its a mature region, then expect to see mature stuff, and if you cam into someone's house, you may get a facefull of content you didn't know was possible. Being an 18+ year old resident means understanding that others may want "adult content" and do "adult things", without having to go to a cramped ghetto to get it.

Bottom line, if we wanted the Linden Police to approve and veto everything, we would have gone to There.com.

A friend of mine has an amazing shop selling bath products, with tasteful pictures of herself nude along the walls. Guess she needs to rip them out or move her nice shop to some Linden porn ghetto.

On a personal front, I play SecondLife as a transgendered avatar, and openly advertise my RL gender is male, regardless of my SL gender. Does that make *me* "adult content", requiring me to confine my activities solely to the porn ghetto?
Given my land is un-sellable in today's SL, will LL helpfully relocate me to the porn ghetto, before the fences and guardtowers go up? Can I expect to be banned or kicked off of SL every time I TP to a non-adult region? Where does the pandering to the squeamish end?

... or is this just the side effect of tax-free church money pouring into LL?
Kalderi Tomsen
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03-12-2009 10:40
According to the definition that they linked to in one of these threads, nude beaches would be "Adult" yes, and yes, there will be three "levels" - Adult, Mature and PG.
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Ewan Mureaux
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Can land get any cheaper?
03-12-2009 10:41
Will there be a new porno continent or will you be changing existing land? Either way I suspect that more land will be dumped on us while prices are still poor. Good one! Will you be offering everyone a chance to swap land on existing mainland for pornoville? Will the land being traded be put back through the auction system or will you attempt to implement the plan that was mentioned in passing regarding developing new city areas in conjunction with resident groups?

Either way I think you already have the tools and rules in place for this. Parcel by parcel could be set for age verification (if you could actually get it to work) and I believe community standards deal with content that is generally offensive being seen, ie keep it indoors.

Do you not think that possibly the average resident that has the occasional e-shag or poseball encounter as opposed to the one that runs some bizarre pretend your a pig and be whipped "ranch" will be worst affected as they are herded off to jizztown? Surely mature should mean that within their own prim walls people can do what they like within TOS and if they want to open that to the public they should flag the parcel as adult. If you have to separate them then it's dumb having pg regions border mature regions and then adult ones isolated, in fact we don't even have a proper definition of PG and mature before add an additional layer of confusion.

This is just the quarterly clusterf**k that LL feel the need to drop on people. Give us stability and not only in the software but of the policies.
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Cyn Linden
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Some clarifications
03-12-2009 10:41
Thanks for all the feedback guys.

Marianne: Second Life is an 18+ service, and that majority of the content is PG or Mature. You will most likely stay where you are.

Shockwave: For the vast majority of Second Life, this will not affect your daily life, very few people will need to move or make any changes to their current behavior. Remember, this is highly explicit content we are talking about :)

Christiano: Mature and PG stay the same, only Adult content (explicitly sexual or extremely violent content) will be affected by changes in search.

Eli: What you do on your property is largely your own business. We are concerned with public activities and content that are explicitly sexual or have extremely violent content.
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Alisha Matova
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03-12-2009 10:45
Ah that's what the new Ursula continent is all about.

So land there will be free right....? or eye for an eye of what we have on the Mature mainland now?

Too late but I agree with Shockwave. You have a shinny new blank landmass(Ursula), why not make it Disneyland and leave us be?
Shockwave Yareach
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03-12-2009 10:46
From: Cyn Linden

Eli: What you do on your property is largely your own business. We are concerned with public activities and content that are explicitly sexual or have extremely violent content.


Then you had better make that CRYSTAL CLEAR to us. Because reading it as I do, anyone having a sexbed in their home would have to move their home.
Ewan Mureaux
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03-12-2009 10:46
From: Cyn Linden
(explicitly sexual or extremely violent content) will be affected by changes in search.


Ah so all the combat zones and places that sell weapons too, can't have just anyone seeing that!
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Eli Schlegal
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03-12-2009 10:47
From: Ewan Mureaux
herded off to jizztown?


/me runs off to get a copyright on that sim name.
Grey Mars
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Join date: 21 Mar 2004
Posts: 16
03-12-2009 10:48
So, you are wanting to force adult merchants into your new area. How are you handing out that new land? Lottery, amazing harsh price gouging, straight up trade for the land area we are effectivly loosing, as much free to claim land as we want to pay tier on to avoid rioting?

I'm going to just outright side with an earlier poster. If you MUST merge grids and let in the children and overly sensitive, make the new land mass the 'clean' area and require them to flag and verify to access the rest of the grid. As I look around my store's sim I may be the only adult business, but 75% of the other residents also have some form of adult content.

Why screw the majority of us for the sake of a minority that currently doesn't even exist?
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Kalderi Tomsen
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03-12-2009 10:50
I would REALLY hope that you are going to exchange land one-for-one and have some process in place to do a wholesale move of all prims, etc from one property to another.

Without that I think you are going to find some MAJOR complaints....
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Destiny Niles
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03-12-2009 10:52
From: Alisha Matova
Ah that's what the new Ursula continent is all about.

So land there will be free right....? or eye for an eye of what we have on the Mature mainland now?

Too late but I agree with Shockwave. You have a shinny new blank landmass(Ursula), why not make it Disneyland and leave us be?


I was wondering how much of SL mainland would be left after the move. Might be easier to make a new Disneyland(tm) continent than mass moving.
Al Supercharge
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I dont think LL have thought this through
03-12-2009 10:53
QUOTE:
" First, it will provide a way to geographically separate Adult content and activities to a part of the “mainland” designed to accommodate these activities
(Estate owners with Adult content on their land will be required to flag their content; they will not be required to move). "

What? Your going to segregate NEW Adult content and leave existing Adult content in place?
I don't think you have tought this through. What's goal will be achieved segregating new content when current adult parcels remain?

I am right next door to a Sex Club. Its laggy, its ugly and few people visit it anyway. But they run videos and dance floors and bot pole dancers.

It has no appeal other that to those who are deviant or stupid kids who have not found free porn websites.

I want it gone EVEN tho I'm on a Mature sim. Am I alone here ?

Get them all moved to their own REGION. Bite the bullit now - not later.

Then someday this sim might convert to PG and offer education and fun for all (including kids).

If money is the motivation this might just be more of the way to make it, than any other option .
Kalderi Tomsen
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03-12-2009 10:55
@Al: As I understand it, you will only be forced to move if you are on mainland. If you are on a private estate you will not be forced to move, but must flag your content.

So no, it's not about new and existing at all - it's about where that content is located right now - mainland or private.
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Meade Paravane
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03-12-2009 10:58
/me would love to see some stats on the current mainland.

Stuff like the ratio of mature:PG sims, possibly by continent, and a breakdown of parcels listed in search with ratios of mature listing vs not for the different search category types.
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Allen Kerensky
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03-12-2009 11:01
From: Ewan Mureaux
Ah so all the combat zones and places that sell weapons too, can't have just anyone seeing that!


And the welcome areas themselves will need to move to the porn ghetto, since they tend to have an amazingly porn-per-minute ratio.

The last time I went to any welcome area, I heard and saw more "adult" content than I've ever seen in the fetish dance club I hang out in.

Go figure.

My wife signed up for an account and the help area she landed in actually had notecards crowing about the adult-side possibilities of SL. She actually called me in to ask about it. Gotta move all that to pornworld, I guess.
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