Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

So, let's say that the private sim I live on decides, and believe me, they will, that they want to flag the whole sim as "Adult". We are already trying to ensure that no one is added to the sim access list that we are not reasonably sure is an adult, and not bothered by adult activities. We have maybe 50 people approved to enter the sim at all.

But if we turn on the "Age Verification Required" flag, we have to make the whole sim PUBLIC ACCESS, and we refuse to open our homes to any stranger that happens to have managed to spoof the verification scheme. And setting the land to "Age Verification Required" would ban 1/3 of our residents, who live in countries where the current Age Verification scheme is IMPOSSIBLE to comply with.

If we flag the land as "Payment Info Required", that bans other members, or at least several of their alts, while again alowing who knows how many complete strangers that bought a visa Debit card at Wal-Mart and use that once to buy some L$, without providing ANY proof of identity or age.

So, what tools will we have that will allow our current members to access our sim, and will at the same time ensure we don't get burned if we were somehow ignorant that the guest some member vouched for and had added to the guest list was actually 13?

And WHY assume that everyone who has Payment Info on file WANTS access to adult content??? I am sure there are many who do not, but they will have full access to the porno zones with the currently proposed plans, and have no way to know in advance that they are about to TP into an "offensive area".

What about an adult rating for profiles? What about infohubs and welcome areas? Will there be an Adult infohub or two on this new continent to take these people?

I see it daily, someone's sim crashes and they wind up on the landing pad of what's supposed to be a PG area with their prim bits hanging out. Sometimes they linger, sometimes they get stuck, but most teleport away. The uninitiated may hang around looking for sex. If you're look with purifying the PG areas to be business/education friendly you should re-look at this whole system.



This is my problem with this whole push for the adult segregation. I'm perfectly fine with it being segregated, but don't make the guidelines vague. Don't say that we can do one thing and then decide months later something different (open sims, anyone?)

As for trusting LL, one just has to look at the last SLBirthday celebration to find the example of the over-the-top censorship.

Do this and you won't have a paycheck Jess.. The majority of people in SL are like me.. We enjoy exploring all kinds of areas.. The Freedom... Sanitize SL and most of us will leave.. That Simple.. So, go right ahead and do your thing... LOL!!

No Jeska it is about deleting content and controlling behaviour, that's exactly what this is about.



Then give them a G-Rated continent and more choice. There's no need for all this nonsense and upheaval. Enforce your existing policies, create a G-Rated continent and keep minors out and you please most people.

PG Sims already exist, G Rated sims would help to prevent that and other mature activities. .

It's all about control. the few controlling the majority. Always has been.

GRRRREAT!

Let us start with the inworld experiences of all these people who have sexbeds in their mainland parcels, who pay lots of cash every month to play in SL. You are about to force relocate everyone, EVERYONE, who has anything in their home which might be sexual in nature, since any teen will be able to cam in and see it in use, walls or no walls.

Or you can avert this disaster by making the new land mass the squeaky clean newbie area, and prevent adult stuff from entering there. Hard to cam across 50 sims to see something naughty you know...

Hence my concerns about kid avatar content getting lumped in with extreme sexual stuff by LL. Again.

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish.

What if you're there first, and the sex club buys the land next to you?

yep

Ooooo Cheeseburgers offend me... We must move all cheeseburgers who make up the majority into the ghetto... Lord knows we can't have anyone exposed to cheeseburgers.. They might turn into "free thinkers".. LOL!!

I've already expressed in the "Motivations" thread that I think it would be better to have a Non-adult Continent for those people who don't want to deal with adult things (and who for whatever reason can't just stay on PG parcels). Make the brand-new continent the Non-adult one, and leave the rest of the world as it is; we're doing quite nicely really.

Both Blondin and Cyn have now assured us that, basically, the official pages about this are wrong. Cyn says "Remember, this is highly explicit content we are talking about", but that's very different from what the official statements say. The official definition of "Adult" includes any public area in which there is "photorealistic nudity". That's rather different than "highly explicit" the way I've mostly heard the words used.

I really appreciate Lindens like Blondin and Cyn assuring us that only the most extreme and egregious things will have to move. BUT if that's the case, then the official statements on the subject should be updated to reflect that. Currently, it's easy to read the official statements as classifying a VERY broad range of things as "Adult", and therefore to be exiled from the normal mainland. In fact it's hard not to read them that way: you have to assume that they don't mean what they actually say, but instead they mean some milder variant of it.

As I said in the other thread, I think it's a Really Bad Idea to have bad laws on the official books, and just count on those in power to be reasonable and not enforce them. Bad for everyone's karma...

Then by definition, you wouldn't be "moving in next to", now would you? But we have had this conversation before. You can't stand the thought of freedom.

Then you shouldn't have bought land in a Mature sim.

Jeska, if some content drives some behavior, and you move that content to a restricted area (like a sex bed shop) does it make sense to allow the content to be transported out of the restricted area and used out of the restricted area - why corral the content source but not, ultimately, the end usage?

Dance Clubs offend me!! Ban all Dance Clubs.. Move them to a Dance Club continent... Vampires offend me... Move all vampires... Hoboes offend me... Move all hoboes... What next?

Jeska, rather than surgically trying to remove any and all content in it's current "virtual" location, and forcably relocate it to "a teleport away", can't the same thing be accomplished by making the new areas restricted to adult content. In the area free of adult content, people would have the control over what they see and do.

I think you need to better define the 'majority' word. Are we talking about what the population is doing or about what's on the land? Although I'd agree that the majority of mainland builds aren't extreme, I think the percent of population involved in such things and the money being spent is closer to the majority level than it is to the minority level.

I don't, of course, have numbers to back that up - only the Lindens do. Then again, you don't have such numbers either.

If we're going to talk about creating a new continent to segregate such things, it seems like it'd be a whole lot easier to use new land as G-rated. A clean slate, fresh start sorta thing.

/me loves yer stuff BTW, Cory. Uberbuilder.

I'm going to chime in and say I agree with the posters who have suggested making the new continent suitable for all ages and leave the rest of us alone. Going through the entire grid and marking most of us with a scarlet A for Adult and forcing us to sell or give up our land for the new "Adult" only land masses is insane. "only the most extreme content", by your own guidelines is broad and open to interpretation. Why punish the majority of users because a few have a fit of the vapors if they see two avs on a poseball?

Wonder when those "free thinkers" in San Fran will ban combat areas? they might offend someone who is anti Second Amendment. Guns are bad, evil things... Much worse than adult consensual sex.. LOL!! j/k I think combat areas are just hunky dory... But this is the natural prograssion isn't it..

Ok here is a left-brain, whacky idea:

Why not make adult content simply NOT VISIBLE to unverified accounts, or accounts that are marked somehow as not being interested?

The problem is that moving a bunch of people is a herculean effort -- it will cost a lot, mean huge disruptions even for (like myself) people without adult content (e.g., land prices in non-adult areas plummet with a glut of abandoned land).

How can this be implemented?

The client knows what parcel an object is in. If it is in a Adult parcel and is being viewed on a non-adult client, the code filters the object. The land would be there, the club, store or whatever would still be there, but would not be viewable by non-adult clients.

If you think this is crazy, World of Warcraft has context areas: they look different to different users depending on what quests you complete. These are computers, the physical/geographical nature of SL is just an affectation, an can be undone easily.

The nice thing is the same filter tech can be employed if LL choses to filter out neighbors with ugly builds.

I like THIS idea better than trying to split the existing mainland mess into XX, R and PG regions. I've been all over SL recently and have not see much that couldn't be seen in RL, in public.



Yes - if it starts out squeaky clean it can stay that way. It can have nothing bit squeaky clean vendors selling skins with built-in underwear, sexless beds, and wardrobes guaranteed to not malfunction. LL can turn off build everywhere and provide squeaky clean Disnified content for free.

Pretty much all dance clubs have stripper poles. They will all have to move anyway.

I can already see a difference in the way people are talking about starting a new "non-adult" area - they talk about it in terms of freedom, of choice, of organic growth, of opportunity. A fresh new place for a pleasant new start. When they talk about creating an "adult-only" area, though, the tone is complete opposite: restriction, constriction, inconvenience, disruption, penalty. From a purely PR/marketing standpoint, I should think LL might take notice of that distinction. A positive response to creating a new "no adult content allowed" area, self-policing, move in by choice .... vs. the current proposal which is being met quite unhappily by the users who will be most impacted. Yet both proposals would achieve the desired outcome of keeping adult content away from those who do not actively seek it or who find its presence unwelcome. I hope someone perceptive enough is noticing that nuance in tone.