Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

I might have missed it in the 14 pages....

Is there a mailing list for when it opens or a slurl to the new continent? I would like to get some of the land when it becomes available (small chunk, teir can't handle much more)

thanks

EDIT: Adding to the chorus that walling off the people who want pg makes more sense than corralling the rest of us. I don't want to have to relocate any more than anybody else, but if we're gonna have to move then we're going to need some sort of well communicated launch so that we can look over and acquire the new land.

Luckily, most of my stuff can stay where it is. But some art and the shop of one of my alts would have to move.

You've finally done it, LL. Finally managed to make such a bad decision that you killed the world.

Other people (a great many, and more to come) have told you over and over why this is abysmally stupid, but I'll throw in my $.02 and summarize a few points.

1. You can't define what's "adult" and what's not. The Supreme Court can't even manage it. Nobody can agree on this, and don't even get me started on cultural differences...I'm just talking about Americans here. Even people in a single culture, with the same laws, can't agree on this subject.
2. Even if you could, you have proven over and over that you can't even follow your own rules consistently. What makes you think you can now?
3. You can't make ANY content non-accessible. Everything is a teleport away. Cameras can see across sims and through walls. You MADE this world, you should know: THERE IS NO PRIVACY IN SL.
4. You can't verify age. You've proven that. Even if your lame age verification system worked, there's no guarantee that the person sitting at that computer is the same as the person whose ID you have on file.
5. You can't weed out the adult places. They are everywhere. Little shops in malls owned by others. Ads, billboards, artwork. Private residences that have...well, more toys than a standard sex bed in them. If you try, you end up with a grid with thousands of big and little holes pockmarked everywhere.
6. You can't guarantee everyone an even exchange. People with waterfront, for example. People next to other builds they admire. People whose land has certain geographic features.

For those who propose a new G rated continent: Sorry, that won't work either. The residents there still won't be guaranteed age-verified; tender young eyes are still only a teleport away from the most hard core porn you can think of. Not to mention that adding more land just now will tank land prices even further.

You want a solution for Everyman, LL? It's simple. Expand the Teen Grid. Make THAT your G-rated, Disneyfied, safe, bland haven for kids and corporations. Leave the current SL grid alone. Let us lawless, morally corrupt adults stew in the world we made for ourselves and go build the bright, clean, spotless world you envision SOMEWHERE ELSE. We'll even let you rename our little ghetto...take the "Second Life" name and paste it on your shiny new offering. Call us degenerates something else..."Adult Life" maybe.
It's the only way. Only a completely separate virtual world is secure enough to do what you so obviously want to do.

But I don't expect you to take my advice, or the advice of thousands of other residents. You got rid of the other major entertainment in SL, gambling. Now you plan to shoot off your other foot, and by your track record, your aim's likely to be good.

So, OK. Enough. I'm selling my land, downgrading to Basic. I've always said that I'll stick around until you pull the plug on the servers and shut us down, but I can see that coming, now. I'm heartbroken...I always thought I'd have a place here. Not any more.

I own half of a mainland sim. My site barely brings in enough to cover the 125usd a month tier.

I would love to move to a private island but unfortunately I need something in between a full island and an openspace. Is there any possibility that a new private land type could be created to meet the needs of people that want more than openspace and less than a full island?

If we are forced to move to pornworld, will our sites be moved intact for us or will we be forced to rebuild?

Rebuilding and moving will take far longer. How can I keep my old site running until the new site is ready without having to double my tier (owning my old land and having to buy new)?

what if you simply duplicated sims with mature content that needs moving to the new land, builds intact?

If you are going to force us to do this, please make it as painless as possible.

i also wish to toss out another suggestion. Mixed use businesses/stores. I use my Market/store as an example...as i stated, i have items for sale, both regular furniture, and some on the edge (a dangling captive, a bound slave). things that could be classified 'adult" within that store, could be placed in another area (skybox) set at x amount above ground, and then has to be reached by tp. Even if that is the ONLY base of your store (say a BDSM equipment store)...the main landing point should be at a neutral location, then people have to click a tp to specifically go to that store. Perhaps at the time of placement, it could be "linden verified" that there are no other buildings within x amount (of course above 500m or 1000m above ground, now that we have a ceiling of 4096), so that if i built my "adult" skybox at 1500, and then someone built their home residence at 1600, then they said "that store is within my visual radius"...it could be referenced that at the time of the build, the store was built to parameters.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205

I have a friend with a big, adult-themed, outdoor prim-pool. Will she have to make that an indoor pool now?

using this example, i would make say you can do a LOT with huge prims...one big enclosure around it....but that's another thing

Isn't Sl about being over 18 and playing how you want? I don't believe people are accidently tping to mature sims. I figure there are probably less Pg Sims to move than Mature ones. So why cant we have a pg continent? If the current Sim Owners could get exactly what they have now on the new continent, and easily move their 10,000+ objects I am sure they wouldn't mind, However I can't imagine it being an easy transition. Some people have paid through the nose for their propety in sl and deserve to retain it as it is.


or...why don't we just mark the sims x and require age verification and dont move them at all. but don't you have to be over 18 to play sl anyhow?

I'm waiting for an "end of Second Life," myself

If it is marginal should it require a new policy and a new continent? Are a dozen of areas preventing Educational organization and Corporate to develop in SL?

Or maybe "your mind" is just too tolerant... and i am sincerely happy for that... and "your mind" will not be used for sure as a worldwide reference.

So people that own stores with both adult and non-adult stuff either need to maintain 2 stores now or lose half of their shoppers?

Also, what do you do if you are non-verified and the stores you like get moved to pornoland because they sell a few adult items? Suddenly you are not able to shop there anymore?

Instead of forcing people..why don't you make it opt-in?
Make another rating..Mature, General and PG and make mainlands for those who wish to restrict their view instead of forcing people to move... many of us like the variation/randomness...those who don't can CHOOSE to live in gated communities.

If you could define a restricted volume of space, that could just as easily be outdoors. A non-permitted person would eitehr see a black block covering your friend's pool area, or they would see the raw terrain and the hole for the pool, but none of the people and prims in that volume of space.

And as Argent pointed out, there have been several JRA requests for various forms of "Privacy Pockets" any of which would be a better solution than this forced frog-march to the porno sims.

No most of them are traffic bots actually so don't care either way

I'm actually proud that we got 185 posts in before Godwin's law took effect

From the "Maturity Ratings FAQ":


https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010

Based on that, it's a done deal. Not "We are considering creation of an Adult Continent" but "Linden Lab has created a special-use area of the Mainland, called the "Adult Continent," where Adult activities and content can be located by Residents."

So much for discussing it with the Residents!

Let the frog-marching at gunpoint begin!

Why not do something simple like keep the mainland as it currently is, make a new continent that is more PG oriented (as mentioned earlier), and make a second new continent that is the adults only anything goes area. Then let people move/go where they please.

Oh, it is all a done deal, this is just fluff and distraction.

Jessica Please answer my question. If you don't know the answer, then please say so.

I want to know if I have the right to refuse for my Estate SIM owner to change it from M to "ADULT".

I'm agreeing with:

and how do we even find this adult continent.. where is it?

i dont think they will have to have two sims.. just only age verified people can come to their shop. Linden stated somewhere that the age verification system will be alot more than just "payment on file" they might have that phone text thing they used to have (or still do, i cant remember if it was still an option) or some other form of getting verified.. ya'll know those kids that shower with blindfolds on would be offended.. we gotta think of them!

well.. back to the point! my opinion is.. if they arnt verified or they refuse to be verified, they dont have money, prolly' just some kid trying to get his rocks off.. so shops shouldn't worry about having to flag as adult..

i think the main problem is the move... WILL PEOPLE HAVE TO REBUILD?! also your shop will have to start at 0 traffic? okay.. maybe like 34 cause yur there REBUILDING IT!! my land is luckley on an estate.. but i know alot of you arnt as lucky..

i'm staying with SL, i have alot of money invested in it and i will fight tooth and nail to keep my second life going! and i hope if this turns for the worst, you all do to <3

keep up the fight!

Did anyone think of trying to enforce existing policies on mature content to address the concerns of the many people who purportly requested the adult-free spaces.

Just for fun, I picked a random word ("fun" and did a Places Search. I unchecked the "Include parcels with Mature Content" box.

The top search result was a Mature parcel. 6 of the top 10 results were Mature parcels. And when you go down the top 20, 15 are Mature parcels.

I have an idea. Why not make the Search exclude parcels with Mature Content when someone unchecks the "Include parcels with Mature Content" box?

That would make it a lot harder for people wanting to avoid mature content to actually find it.

Maybe the best solution is the simplest.

On the other hand, it's a lot easier to talk about change than doing change.

Based on that, I see no wiggle room for anyone who has a photorealistic skin and wants to be nude, even when changing clothes; or for any sort of "sex-themed space", even if it is solely for the private enjoyment of the land owner and their Partner, and no one else! No sex beds, since using the pose balls is "Representation of explicit sexual conduct".

So much for the outright LIES of several Lindens today, that stated time and again that this won't affect what a land owner does in the privacy of their SL home.

BULLS**T!

You can't use a sex bed without "displaying" erotic theme activity.

QFT!

i have a feeling it's because people are mad that they build like.. some office sim and some guy next door build a giant metal penis house... but here's an idea... how about you make a "mute sim" type thing, like how when you mute someone they go all grey, why not make it so it doesn't load objects in a muted sim?