Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

And apparently ignorant of the fact it has been on the table many times and discounted since

a) aviators compaign to keep the airways free of banlines
b) preventing panning into banned parcels or preventing the rendering of content within banned parcels is a technical and political can of worms...

Matthew

How about a commitment to stick to this estimate, i.e. "We will only evict and penalize the 2% who are the worst offenders we have identified." That approach seemed to defuse the land-cutting issue quite a bit.

I'm spittin in the wind, here, aren't I? You've already decided on the persecution model rather than the opt-out model from the looks of things.

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P.S. In case you haven't noticed by now, the *vast* majority of the pain and suffering you'd propose here comes entirely from this notion to evict people from their current locations without *any* explanation of how you'll compensate them for their time and money lost. This is huge. Everything else could just be brushed off with another shrug.

I have been in second life for six years this year. I have seen some ridiculous things happening in my time, but this is the limit.

If my activities are deemed to be 'adult' - and I would hope they would be, because I am indeed grown-up - you are saying that I have leave the land where I have been for the last four years, and move to a ghetto? I thought the whole idea of having a teen grid and age-verification was to accommodate adult content.

I already pay the Lindens a fortune (for me), which has become worse lately because of the exchange rate. Now I am going to have to become a second-class citizen, and find myself uprooted?

Can you give me a single reason why I should to want to stay in Second Life and continue to pay you money?

I thought we had solutions already - we can mark parcels/estates as mature. We can even block non-verified accounts from parcels/estates. Mainland estates are marked as Mature or PG, and (most) people have set up homes and businesses based in either PG or Mature regions accordingly.

If there are problems it is often because LL have not been consistent in how they've policed mature/PG regions or how they've distributed PG and Mature regions throughout the mainland - not due to lack of appropriate means of flagging content and areas.

Matthew

I dont see how they can claim that only 2% to 4% would be required to relocate.

It seems to me most mature sims have multiple adult shops in them. That would make well above 2% to 4%. Let alone the themed sims.

Then you get into the existence of the sex beds... the use of one would violate the rules in a non-adult area, so a minimal estimate would be what? 40%-60%, more then likely higher, as just simply walking around with a photo realistic avatar nude counts as a breach. What about changing cloths of a photo realistic avatar, thats a breach too by LLs guidelines.

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Then you come to the move it self. The move is mindboggling in scale and effects. What about all the landmarks, millions on millions of them will point to invalid locations. It will cause a large scale loss of potential customers and real customers.
Something no business can stand to lose right now, and those businesses that have been there for ages will be hit the hardest.

Honestly, If I where expected to move, I would expect LindenLabs to buy my land for around 50L a meter. That is what around what I feel my lands potental customer base is worth.

Im sure there are things that havent been even considered yet.. but im sure this will vary much hurt SL. SL in it self is rather ADULT rated, given it is 18+.

As the Linden said " Yes, Linden Lab is going to help you through this process. Out goal is to ensure that those who provide Adult goods or services can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. We want this to go as smooth as possible for you, your business and your customers. "


So this has already been decided ya can see from thier own words..
Our voice... isnt going to matter.. Now if they would just come clean on it and tell us what will be going on.. ya know... like the truth? would be nice...
Like when is this going to happen... should we be selling off now and transfering our stuff to other grids before the weeks out... before the month?
How long do we have?

PG ONLY CLIENT, it can be issued to teens & corporation/educational.

you would still need to flag but once flagged, the new viewer would prevent you from going to non-PG places, then you would not need to bother with the time it would take to build a new continent OR the millions of complaints you may get if you make them leave their land or threaten their favorite club or risk a bunch of people leaving SL in a huff

cause with all the still on-going lag problems and asset server problems well quite a few people are already upset

thank you, and Sincerely, Chryssie Bunnyhug (birthdate 7/12/2005)

p.s. how I miss when once upon a time we had live support and anti-griever patrolpeople you could call to help you get rid of someone, oh well

Well anyway a special client could be easily done as long as all the flags are put in place and no new continents or excessive griping would need to occur

I propose that the new continent be named "Ukiyo-e".

that would fit pretty good... sounds like a good name

Well this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and in combo with the (probably) still negative land market, it's an even worse idea. I'd expect that land prices won't change to hold land on either map, but if they do, hooooooo, here comes the shout fest.

Entirely seriously, why should anyone be able to fly over my private land? Especially, if I can build up to the 750m level? If they are going to put these rules in place, the land owners need protection from the lynch mobs.

Now this really takes the biscuit.

At first I didn't think this could be Serious. Mitch Kapor and LL really have got their heads in the clouds if they genuinely belive that SL could or would survive without those of us that practice "Adult" activities.

Account verification? When I tried to verify my age back in May 2008 (I am 55) I could not! The system simply cannot cope with Non-US Documentation.

We live our lives in fear of Contempt and Bigotry (well, I do at least 'cos I'm a wuss). I cannot believe that discrimination is coming to SL. This is the 21st Century, isn't it?

Now it appears that even more of the grid will be off-limits to such as myself.

Now I have a partner in SL. We have a wonderful SL together. Are LL really going to try and tell us how to live our SL? As an individual, I believe I make a distinct contribution to the fullness of quite a few SLs.

Lindens, this idea is wrong-headed. It is a BAD MOVE and it will cause a lot of your residents to leave SL. Not to put too fine a point on it, this is commercial suicide.

It seems to me that the Lindens just want to get rid of ordinary people and make Second Life a corporate area.

Concerding most shops and most buying and selling revolve around sex.. way the 2% to 4% is a pretty blantent lie lol
ANYONE thats been on the grid can see that one

They said they are going to make technical changes, these both are sensible changes to protect private property.
I have been in many of these discussions. The aviators should have no right to trespass in my airspace.

United States v. Causby, U.S. 328 (1946)

also see this jira please on subject of PG viewer to those who feel they need it

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7219

This is awesome. I am so grateful for this as an educator and a person who wishes to use technology to benefit people. We worked so hard on our sim and we made it really a wonderful place, and we had to put up walls because someone put a strip club nearby. And their strip club was really ugly too.
Thank you so much Lindens, for helping make Second Life a place to expand and enlighten the minds of human beings instead of just another cheap sexual playground.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7219

Live it, learn it, love it.

One of many wrong court decisions, no reason why LL should follow it. Especially since I can build higher in SL than in RL. Or do you propose making the build limit at the height of the ban lines?

You seriously think United States v. Causby was in error?

looks like you still have a long way to go with that enlightening of the mind....

Perhaps you should have built it on a PG sim surrounded by PG sims? If you built in a Mature area, then you must expect to be surrounding by Mature activities. If on the other hand the strip club is in a PG area, you can good grounds to AR it.

No doubt, if LL do create a "ghetto" continent, somebody will still buy land there (because its cheap), and then complain about that the neighbours are running "adult" activities.

Matthew

I sell clothing in SL. Some of what I sell is a little profane, but no worse than you will see in headshops filled with teeny boppers in malls all over America. Because of the current TOS I have decided to list my ads on the search engines as "Mature content", which already limits my traffic because the default in the search engines is not to include adult material.

On the other hand, I see a lot of ads (6780 as of this moment) for escorts, and escort clubs that aren't listed as "Mature content". Granted, I can see these sorts of ads in the Yellow pages, or the classifieds in my local newspaper and neither comes with any parental warnings.

LL is going to need to hire their own morality squad to sort through all of the inappropriately tagged listings if they want to make sure that some easily offended individual isn't going to go to an escort club thinking that it is for enthusiasts of Ford compacts.

This sounds like a knee jerk reaction to complaints from people who like being offended. If LL is not policing the current situation, why inconvenience your landowners further by forcing us to move?


Reluctantly yours,

Pervus Maximus

Right on! That's thinking in a better direction. You wouldn't even need a separate viewer, just add a new filter options in Preferences that default to family (or rather... business and reporter) safe levels. If individual users had the option to set what flags they find offensive, there wouldn't be a need to muck around in this quagmire of what is socially acceptable or not.

And don't kid yourselves, Lindens...that is exactly what you are doing.

This seems like a more elegant solution than to pack up all the perverts, sticking a big red flag on them and sending them to Siberia where they can try and eek out an existence while being forced to fight with their competitors for scant customers in a traffic free wilderness....if they can even afford to move in the first place.