Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

I understand you wanting to have a place away from a strip club.

But first- did you actually build on PG land, with PG land neighboring you? If so, what happened when you ARed the strip club?

What is the standard for the strip club moving rather than you? If you care about finding new neighbors, why aren't you the one who moves? I appreciate the fact that you may have spent a lot of time building your strip club. I don't know about the strip club of which you are complaining, but I put a lot of time and hard work into building my strip club.

The question of Landmark redirects is a good one and one I did not think of. I have had my mainland sim for 2 years now and without getting into specifics; a succesful enough business that I have been doing SL exclusivly for a living for almost 2 years. The fact does stand that I have a large customer base with LMs to a specific place inworld and there really is no way to put a monetary number on what those hundreds and hundreds if not tousands of landmarks to my location generate. Will these landmarks be changed in the database to reflect my new location in the adult zone?

I have not seen any answer to if there will be a complete equal land for equal land no additional cost trade/move. I bought my mainland sim when land values were up, it was close to 3000usd to purchase. It is end of world/waterside on one side and I am very fond of it's name and part of my buisness is anchored on the sims name.

I appreciate the LL coments about 'minimal impact' and 'help provided' these are while comforting, a little vauge. Surely before a decision and announcement like this is made things like land trades and landmark redirects have been planned. It would be nice to see some details on these things, especially for those of us whose Second Life is a direct and integral part of their real life.

Your mind doesn't seem that enlightened but wouldn't it be better for you to be on a continent where that can't happen? They should build the new continent with you in mind.

Don't mean to be rude, JP, but this number is pretty useless.

I've got a club that's very much in the adult category. I also have several neighbors that are technically separate but we're all one big, happy family - none of us would move without the others. We're in the 40k-total range for traffic with *zero* bots and *zero* camping, mostly due to my club, which makes us one of the more popular places in SL. We own a bit over 1/2 a mainland sim.

If I look around at the neighboring sims, I see one that's packed (as it always is, 24/7, due to a tiny adult skybox club that has been complained about many times by the other owners there who can't TP to their homes and are always ignored by LL), five with *zero* people in them, and three with 1-2 people in them.

2-4%???? Try taking a look at where people actually go instead...

they are gonna try to change it so you dont find any of this "stuff" unless your really looking for it... though i doubt its really 2% to 4% like they stated.. thats either a huge mistake and they dont get around enough SL to know it, or an outright lie. I'm not sure making the veiwer actually block the stuff would be any more help, but i guess they could make it so if oyu have "family friendly" or whatever checked, it prevented you from seeing or hearing or searching for anything that was what Lindens think of as broadly offensive

How is the move going to work financially ... regarding tier & land purchase fees.

Basically I have 2 expensive parcels of roadside land already approx. 32,000sqmtr

I dont want to have to buy land at expensive rates again & then have to raise my tier level to 64,000sqmtr and pay $195 + VAT instead of $125 + VAT a month until my old land sells.

I see that this item was skipped in the response by Jeskaa Linden.

Lets have some transparecy on the costs we are going to incur.

Regards

Stacey Sugar

Terri, if Education and Corporations are so important (and i agree) why Lindens just not solve your particular problem instead of setting global restrictions?

With this attitude (adult contents is just the false problem of the moment) you will not have the strip club as a neighbour but sooner or later not even people to educate.

Not everything is about money, it's about quality of life and things like that. There are tons more important issues and causes in the world than cybersex. I don't understand why people are so upset that they can't use technology to have sex when they could just go do it in Real Life. This technology is expensive and it took many years to develop. I think it should be used for a higher purpose, to educate, inform and enlighten human beings. The sex industry in SL is just as bad and demeaning as it is in RL. Except sometimes even more violent. The Buddha said that everything comes from the mind alone. Do you really want things like this in your mind. Don't you want to do something more productive with your mental energy and technical resources? I do. I don't care if people call it a "ghetto" that they are forced to move to. I am trying to help people and educate them, and it just looks silly to have a Strip club right next door to my campus. We pay full price for the sim, we don't get an educational discount right now, and it's been that way all year since I took over. So excuse me, but I spend just as much money as you.

good luck on that one, it's had alot of asks, and no answers o.o

yes. but, where is your sim? a PG rated, or Mature rated sim?

Why did you buy a parcel on a mature region or right next to a mature region rather than one surrounded by PG regions then?

Matthew

You should never have built your campus in a mature area then. You chose to build on a sim where adult activities are allowed and are now complaining about it?

Why should any existing adult landowner pay L$1 for this wonderful move. The Lindens owe all of us. They need to cover all costs of this. Offer "adult" biz owners exactly, identical land to what they have now. If they own westward facing waterfront now, they get westward facing waterfront in the new "ghetto" area. Linden Labs needs to cover all costs associted with this and use some of that big pile of greasy cash they are sitting on to reimburse everyone affected by their imcompetance. They started SL without zoning... they need to pay the costs of this bad decision on their part. Not Adult Biz Owners responsibility..

If you bought a whole sim why didn't you get an Estate instead? Just curious. Seriously though, this all smacks of setting up your school website smack in the middle of a large personals portal and then expecting everyone *else* to move out because you don't like the view.

Stacey you dont think they are really gona answer that do ya?
This is a money maker for LL.. lots of people have to buy land again and sell the land they have a a much lowered cost.. they just keep winning!

I agree with Allen - I joined SL because of its openmindedness and open potential. I thought LL's slogan was "Your World, Your Imagination"? My imagination happens to be pretty damn filthy, and I don't appreciate being herded into some porn ghetto and treated as different or disgusting just so you can play nice with your critics. You have a great thing going, LL, and I don't want to see you push out a large portion of your PAYING audience because of this ridiculous new rule.

I much would have preferred you stick to the ideals you forefronted when you first arrived, treat all the residents equally, and DON'T SEGREGATE US based on our interests.

I expected more from you.

S.

I am really offended when i find such mind perversion in SL.
But i am tolerant i will never ask you to move away.

Ever heard of Segregation? Discrimination? any " Ism's " ? ...The whole move the mature rated main land owners to a seperate area reminds me of those three things.

AAAAAAHHHHHH.... I am offended!! Terri Holrych quoted Buddha in an earlier post. SL is no place for religion of any kind.. Ban her/him!! Make them move to a ghetto!! Being exposed to the sayings of Buddha has perverted my thinking!! LOL!!

Since religious verses have infiltrated the posts.. Here's one.. treat others as you would have them treat you.. I don't want to banish you, Terri.. Even if you are an offensive buddhist.. LOL!! J/K. Why banish me because I am a freak who likes cybersex?

I'd like to see this answered as well. I notice a lot of dancing around this issue. Vague but comforting words and phrases like "We will implement effective Resident services and dialog to ensure that those who provide Adult goods or services can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. "

That's really not saying anything at all. Please, please give us some facts we can work with.

I would like to examine the results of this "careful research" myself. If you would kindly link me to the documentation showing your procedures, case studies, experimental datum, etc, I would very much like to know that "research" was indeed conducted "carefully", and in a manner consistent with currently-accepted professional demographic research practices.

I would also like to see the original problem set documentation that spawned this "research" in order to put the results into a proper and understandable context for myself and all other residents. Surely, that information is already readily available for perusal, correct? Please just provide the links. Thanks!

why do people that are for this keep talking about expanding your mind?.. I'm sure alot of people here that do sexual stuff are not bad people... and the way these supporters act is just.. elitist, they act like their use of the program is so much better than what we use it for..

SL sex is a release, and a way to forget the troubles in your RL, who is it hurting?

why is it that humanity is so afraid of difference? this fear brings with it death throughout history.. fear of what others are doing.. why? why must we dwell so much on what people do in private? is it envy?.. some people say the person that screams the loudest about gays wishes he could come out of the closet himself.. i'll miss SL.. when it was about freedom, and made for good, open minded people..

You needed a period Robert

Here's the answer folks. Everyone flag *everything* as Adult *particularly* things that aren't.

That ought to leave a few hundred of our more prurient fellows huddled together in Linden Village until the whole silly idea is forgotten.

And that research consisted or what? Making an estimate based on what was in camming distance of Linden Island, and assuming the rest of the grid was just as sparsely touched by Adult content?

Based on what I have seen of the mainland, that estimate falls laughably short. By more than an order of magnitude.

From the new Maturity Ratings FAQ:


Based on that, I see no wiggle room for anyone who has a photorealistic skin and wants to be nude, even when changing clothes; or for any sort of "sex-themed space", even if it is solely for the private enjoyment of the land owner and their Partner, and no one else! No sex beds, since using the pose balls is "Representation of explicit sexual conduct".

And you think that is only going to affect 2% to 4% of the residents? Even if you count the millions of Bot accounts, you couldn't realisticly tell me that figure is correct, unless you are going to change that awful FAQ definition and clearly exempt any content on private property that is not open for commercial purposes!