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Jp Linden
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03-12-2009 15:59
Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements as defined in the Adult Oriented Definitions policy.
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Winter Seale
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03-12-2009 16:01
Otherwise just from being in SL for 4 years I'm having a hard time coming up with more than a dozen areas I've seen that would qualify in my mind as extreme. lol, in your mind yes, and maybe what you have in your mind would be fine with be fine with most of us. But the Lindens have to spell things out sufficiently clearly that the rest of us have the same thing in mind. I agree that what Cyn and Blondin have said in this thread should be updated on the knowledgebase asap. However, if what they're saying is the interpretation that LL is going with, I don't have a problem with it. I do, as it's still very very vague. Until they spell it out in as precise terms as the FAQ, it's pretty much meaningless. I have no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt, given their past behavior... Since LL's said that they've had a lot of requests for this type of setup (or any setup to restrict extreme content from intermingling with other Adult areas), I'd say that's the proof. Honestly, all that's proof of is that LL said it. They haven't said what constitutes "a lot". A lot might mean, someone with power got asked about it 10 times. A lot might mean that they got 3 requests one night in the same hour and never heard about it again. They've repeatedly given us plenty of reasons not to trust what they say publicly, so I think a little skepticism is called for. _____________________
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Robert Graf
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Done Deal
03-12-2009 16:01
Message received loud and clear... this is a done deal... You heard it from Jeska... This is all way too funny! LL ghettoizing their customer base to get new customers - big biz and schools that will never pay what we already pay to support all this... The Lindens are just something else... What flavor coolaid is Mitch Kapor and M. Linden putting in the office cooler? Drink the coolaid, Jes.... And it will all be over soon... LOL!!
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Winter Seale
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03-12-2009 16:02
Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements as defined in the Adult Oriented Definitions policy. Interesting Jp, what was your research? Can you tell us what your methodology was so we can try to reproduce it? _____________________
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ninjafoo Ng
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03-12-2009 16:02
In the coming months, we will announce the plan to help the affected Residents and Merchants get set up on the new mainland.... This is going to have to be something pretty special. Like all business owners, land and established location represents a huge investment in both time and real money (something which isnt quite so plentiful these days). Simply moving someplace else is a prospect that fills most business owners in SL with dread and is why so many of us end up keeping the old and new locations. If I am going to be forced to move. I want the land on the new 'adults only really really' mainland to be not only provided for me at a heavily discounted price , I want it at for no additional tier for at least 3 months. AND I want to be compensated for any loss of business. Anthing less and this action will wipe out a lot of smaller traders who simply cant afford to play anymore. _____________________
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Prez Pessoa
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03-12-2009 16:03
We hope to offer several ways to allow Residents to verify their accounts and ensure that Adult content is only available to adults. Once an account has been verified they will be able to access the adult content. Why you continue to talk about Adults... are teens allowed to enter Main Grid? You are talking about specific contents that "some (Adult) residents" (probably a minority) don't like. Personally i would move to a continent only Combat Sim and Religious organizations, i feel really offended by them... but i am tolerant and never complained of their presence. |
DagnyT Dagger
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03-12-2009 16:04
Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements as defined in the Adult Oriented Definitions policy. The kicker is, while the question has been asked numerous times, no Linden is willing to touch it. What happens to that 2-4% that are forced to move to the segregated land? The one behind the tall electric fence with the search lights making sure some errant nipple does not escape? Do they get to swap the land they currently own, for land of equal quality (i.e, water side, mountainous, snow covered etc) in the new concentration camp of adult oriented land? |
Robert Graf
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Mitch Kapor's Ball
03-12-2009 16:06
Ol' Mitch is taking his ball and going home.. He downt wike the way we pway.... So, he must banish us.. LOL!
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-12-2009 16:07
Chris - Great suggestion! I'm not sure this has been on the table yet, but I will be sure to bring this to the team for their consideration as we move forward. Please don't increase the ban line limit or screw up camera controls for people who have to work around ban-lined areas. Please consider http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205 instead. _____________________
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Amity Slade
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03-12-2009 16:07
We are looking to build a geographically separate location that is both interesting for people to visit and pleasing to the eye for those who will be operating businesses there. Why- as many have already asked- was the decision made to make a new adult continent and force all the current owners of Adult land to move to it, rather than making a new PG continent? And, as I previously asked, how will this new policy be easier to enforce than old policy. Why is there Mature content on PG land now? What will be different about the new policy that makes it easier to enforce than the old policy? Yes, Linden Lab is going to help you through this process. Out goal is to ensure that those who provide Adult goods or services can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. We want this to go as smooth as possible for you, your business and your customers. What specifically is Linden Lab going to do to meet that goal? Linden Lab's definition of smooth may be different than my definition of smooth. Everyone with time and money riding on this transition would like to be able to know how smooth it will be. The goal is to implement a search filter to allow people to decide if they want to view Adult results or not. Why couldn't this be done with Mature content? The Search function has a box for "Include parcels with Mature Content;" however, with the box is unchecked, parcels marked Mature still show up. How does adding a new classification make the process easier? |
Fudgey Jenkins
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03-12-2009 16:08
The kicker is, while the question has been asked numerous times, no Linden is willing to touch it. What happens to that 2-4% that are forced to move to the segregated land? The one behind the tall electric fence with the search lights making sure some errant nipple does not escape? Do they get to swap the land they currently own, for land of equal quality (i.e, water side, mountainous, snow covered etc) in the new concentration camp of adult oriented land? they are seriusly avoiding answering that question, jesika just said linden will help.. i dunno, that's KIND of refressing, like a deit grape shasta when i wanted a pepsi, but meh i was thirsty, so it works for me.. just not so good o.o |
Argent Stonecutter
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03-12-2009 16:08
Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements as defined in the Adult Oriented Definitions policy. _____________________
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Christi Maeterlinck
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03-12-2009 16:08
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Marianne: Second Life is an 18+ service, and that majority of the content is PG or Mature. You will most likely stay where you are. Shockwave: For the vast majority of Second Life, this will not affect your daily life, very few people will need to move or make any changes to their current behavior. Remember, this is highly explicit content we are talking about ![]() Christiano: Mature and PG stay the same, only Adult content (explicitly sexual or extremely violent content) will be affected by changes in search. Eli: What you do on your property is largely your own business. We are concerned with public activities and content that are explicitly sexual or have extremely violent content. Okay chaps, you see it here. 'It's all been decided and nothing you say is likely to be creative or sensible enough to make us change our minds, but don't worry, Marianne, Shockwave, Christiano, Eli, we've thought it all through already and you won't be affected, promise' And maybe you won't be. Maybe they _have_ got it right. But, once again, they decide; they invite suggestions; and their response 'reassures'. What it doesn't do is show a shred of interest in _learning from_ what we, the users, have to say. It's the attitude that galls. |
Winter Seale
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03-12-2009 16:09
We hope to offer several ways to allow Residents to verify their accounts and ensure that Adult content is only available to adults. Once an account has been verified they will be able to access the adult content. But Jeska, access to the main grid is only allowed for adults as it is. Isn't this redundant? I mean, either the main grid is for adults only or it isn't. This half way stuff is total nonsense. I mean, it's not like you're proposing blocking non-verified accounts from adult situations, since those are allowed in private spaces in Mature regions. So all your doing is blocking them from buying things directly...? Why? To what end? I really don't see what the restrictions on who can enter Adult regions achieves and I'd love some clarification on that. _____________________
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Amity Slade
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03-12-2009 16:11
Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements as defined in the Adult Oriented Definitions policy. Is there any way that individual residents can check to see if their land is on that list you compiled with your research? How much of the grid did your research check? |
Master Dubrovna
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03-12-2009 16:12
PG and Mature regions already exist on the Mainland. Why not enforce your existing rules instead of creating new ones? Why reinvent the wheel? If you enter a Mature region, you should expect anything. DUH!
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Prez Pessoa
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03-12-2009 16:12
Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements as defined in the Adult Oriented Definitions policy. A research made before to define the rules of what is Adult and what not... great... Change your researcher because 4% (for what we can imagine you are considering as such) seems unrealistic and mostly not deserving such a huge debate and publicity... you could have addressed this problem in a thousand of different and discrete ways. All this seems too unprofessional too be true... and it is not April 1st yet. |
Argent Stonecutter
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03-12-2009 16:13
If you enter a Mature region, you should expect anything. DUH! _____________________
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Colin Kling
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The Crappy Decision About Moving The Adult Rated Land!!
03-12-2009 16:13
This Is The Most Stupid Thing I Have Ever Heard Of. I Mean We Shouldn't Have To Move Because Some Stupid People.i Read Someone's Comment And I Agree With Them This Is So Stupid But This One Person Had A Great Idea Why Don't You Guys Make A Seperate Land For All Those People Who Want Pg. I Think This Because This Is Second Life And It Is Supposed To Be An Online Community And Ill Tell You This Communities Are Not Always Perfect!!!!! And If You Live On A M Rated Sim Your House And All Your Objects You Paid For With All Your Time And Dedication Or Maybe You Built It And You Just Put In Way More Time And Dedication Or You Did Both And Bought Something And Just Modified It In A Small Way. What I Am Trying To Get To Is That This Is Not Fair For The People Who Like The M Rated Land Because Your Not Talking To A Bunchh Of Little Kids And You Can Do Much Much More And Now I Understand Where You Are Coming From But I Also Disagree To The Way You Are Approaching And That If You Do Go Through With This You Will Lose More People Than You Would Ever Amagine And This Is Because The Way You Are Approaching This Situation Is Stupid!!! Another Way To Deal With This Problem Is Create A Preffrance That Will Filter All The M Rated Stuff. And Another Thing Is That Not All The M Rated Sims Have Porno And I Personally Don't Find That Very Fair And If You Were On The Other Side Of Your Decision You Would Probally Agree With All The People Who Are Saying That This Is A Crappy Decion So I Think You Should Read Some Of These And Maybe You Might Listen And Be Able To See Where We Are Coming From And Its Not That I Am Not Trying To Be Mean But I Am Just Really Mad About This Stupid Decision And Think That You Should Change It!!!!!!!!!
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Robert Graf
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San Francisco Bubble
03-12-2009 16:16
Mitch Kapor and the Lindens inhabit a very closed in bubble. they have no clue what people do in SL. Hence the continual bad biz decisions. They are clueless.. Which accounts for the we are in charge and you aren't attitude. As long as they are making money off this they don't care what we think.. So, stop the money flow to them... Walk away....
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Ciaran Laval
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03-12-2009 16:18
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise |
Yuriko Nishi
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03-12-2009 16:18
LL figured the econ hasn't crashed in weeks so they have to do something...
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Prez Pessoa
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03-12-2009 16:20
Chris - Great suggestion! I'm not sure this has been on the table yet, but I will be sure to bring this to the team for their consideration as we move forward. OMG, they are taking it seriously. Let's stop to make sarcasm and irony... |
Kara Spengler
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03-12-2009 16:21
Chris - Great suggestion! I'm not sure this has been on the table yet, but I will be sure to bring this to the team for their consideration as we move forward. Please don't encourage more banlines!!!! How much of the residents are you trying to get rid of in the same day? |
Raul Crimson
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In the ghetto
03-12-2009 16:22
I agree that everybody should feel comfortable in SL and a solution is needed, anyway, i'm not sure the best is to create a ghetto, a concentration camp for sexors, as someone named it.
For me one of the problems is some people consider themselves better than others becuase they don't cyber, so the "sexors" should be "recluded" in a special area. Sorry, but nobody is better, we all make SL, including the sexors. I am Age Verified, and this won't affect me directly, but it will affect what SL is... and it is adult content too. |