Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

Actually you'd need 3 new regions:
1. Teen
2. ADULT
3. AGE UNVERIFIED

You can't have Unverified (Sexually Violent) Griefers amongst the teens.

I wonder if 90% of all SL residents will forever exist in 3. ?

Well then here's a question. For the people who requested additional means of avoiding adult content- how do they accidentally come into contact with adult content in Second Life if they are trying to avoid it? I would assume that building on a PG would be pretty safe from the adult neighbors (who could be ARed away).

I really can't think of how this problem is occuring. It's important to understand why the problem occurs before one fixes it. So how does the problem happen?

Or is the problem a phantom problem, and the solution really a PR move? Yeah, all kinds of media can report about the freaks in SL- if they want to do a story on freaks and go looking for them. People who want to be in safe areas presumably aren't looking for the unsafe content. So how does it get to them despite their best efforts to avoid it?

What about merchants who, like me, are selling both "adult" material (for example, BDSM devices) and "non-adult" stuff (for example teleporters, sensors, vendors, etc) ?

Does it mean we will have to setup and *pay* for two different parcels in different sims ?
You know, it has been now over two years that I have been selling stuff in SL, and my revenues have already been divided by 2 (while I now sell more and higher quality products, so it's not a problem of lack of innovation or improvements), this decrease being the result of:
1.- The buggy web-search that was introduced and results in a much lower exposure of my products in the search results (this has been responsible for at least 2/3 of the losses).
2.- The stagnation of the number of users (after a peak number of a little over 1 500 000 "logged in last 60 days" figure in November 2007, this figure has been decreasing to around 1 200 000 during 2008 and is still not back to its 2007 levels today).
3.- The economic crisis which is starting to take its toll in 2009.
4.- Linden Lab closing down OnRez and taking over Xstreet (the revenue there have been divided by 3 for me since this happened !).

Now, Linden Lab will further screw up my business by forcing me to split my shop in two and forcing higher costs on me.

Thank you SOOOO much, Linden Lab !... Continue this way, and you will finally succeed to make all the small businesses leave the grid.

I thought I'd add that one of the reasons I think these threads aren't really serious about getting our input in changes is because, if I wanted someone's input about addressing the problem, I would start by defining the problem. All we have heard is what Linden Lab wants to do. We haven't heard what problem they are addressing.

another suggestion...on the mature sims, why not make "adult" be up above 4096. people can have the same land, but a certain level set, would be adult, so that they can only access if they truly wish.

Ive just spent a wonderful hour reading all this guff. Ordinal is right. The decision has already been made. This exercise just to make the actual decision look less bad by allowing the vast inventiveness of SL residents room to create even worse solutions and scare themselves to death.

The Lab is in the US.
The US pays no attention to any other laws other than US law.
The Lab cannot change US law.

....therefore nothing said here will change the solution that the lab has come up with ALREADY.

I suspect Lawyers have been involved..and perhaps a threat of 'legal action'.

would be nice if they could take care of their customer service, instead...

i was going to buy more land...trying to fill out a full sim...this makes it very scary, but, i do have tickets, 3 days in the system...i have had one ticket for inventory loss in the system for over a month, when i wrote back "oh, sorry, it got misdirected". and have A/R'd a HUGE sign on the next sim, that is obviously against the TOS (why have a huge sign at 500m if not to grief the people next to it)...and it is still up.

ah, the wonders of SL.

Ceera's post of the KB article https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010 reveals that this whole thing is a great charade.

The decision is made, the rules are defined. Probably the continent already exists (Ursula?) This is nonsense is a complete waste of our time.

I have just very recently purchased mailand property in order to set up a hotel and club - and have spent an alarming amount of time and money on getting the place ready to launch. Now I read that the Lindens are wanting us all to go underground because we have adult content. Yes - we do. Its the adult content that has made SL so popular with ADULTS!Adults have the cash to spend - adults have the time to spend - adults want fun and relaxation in an adult way. Who came up with this rubbish? Most of the griefing that goes on in SL is done by juveniles who are allowed acces into SL - but some way or another. KEEP THE KIDDIES OUT OF OUR ADULT SL - give them their own playgrounds, clubs etc. They are the ones who need protecting - fine - but don't you think that most adults want to spend their leisure time not pandering to the already spoiled and pandered to 13 - 18 year olds? We want somewhere for US to play! AND we pay for it!!!
I'm so angry! I have put so much effort into this - and have tried to the best of my ability with the tools I have available to prevent any underaged people from being able to access my land. This is Political Correctness gone mad - put the KIDS on an island on THEIR own - leave us adults to play in peace.

So, what happens to land owners who have an adult build? Will LL give them a equal amount of land in the new 'red light' district of the mainland? What about renters? Will LL guarantee they will be able to rent an equal amount of land, with an equal amount of prims, at their current price?

I read a few weeks ago, that LL is looking at how to dispose of the teen grid, and move the teens to the main grid. Fine, that's all great, but what this really seems to me is a way to begin to difuse, and eventually eliminate the adult oriented content in SL.

Seeing how things have been done in the past, I'm thinking the adult oriented businesses, builds and the residents who want to engage in that, will get the short end of the stick. Period.

I just can't wait, until someplace for shemales, is just a parcel away from a Gorean compound. Should make for interesting times.

we can only hope that they named it "ursula" after the disney character, and that will be a G rated place

I have ARed explicitly adult builds on PG sims. Then gone back weeks (if not months) later and the builds are still there.

I mean really, this is the US, and we are sue happy. And OJ was found innocent. So if we are a class, and were to take some kind of action, no amount of legalese pre signup disclaimers could possibly save LL.

I have a feeling that this is gonna turn into one heck of a S*** storm.

Pardon me for not reading all 16 pages of feedback, so I'm sure I'm repeating what someone else has already said. My group owns 7 1/2 sims, some land (e.g., ad lots in the days of UNMIK) that we paid dearly for. Now you say

I am aware this is going to also coincide with the merger of the main & teen grids.

I am not averse to moving to a dedicated adult landmass. Will this landmass actually look interesting, or just a square blob with no roads?

I own two specific adult businesses, Club XTC Elite & Adult SLDVDs ... they both have approximately 32,000sqmtr BUILT ROAD & WATERSIDE (therefore expensive) in different sims (Eemsten & Euthrix respectively). Both are complex designs and I don't really want to have to rebuild ... will LL assist in moving prims & scripts to new landmass?

My Euthrix operation I have been there for YEARS and therefore Landmarks & Location information is out in the general populous, especially with regular customers, will these automatically REDIRECT to the new Landmass?

In any move, I dont want to have to pay EXTRA to get situated on the new landmass.

With regards to users being able to access adult content, will this be a simple process, not having the user need to enable 15 different settings to actually get adult stuff, one thing needs to occur and it all magically works?

Also regarding search & classifieds ... will adult related businesses get their own listings/results?

There is a lot of issues to cover, considering I will lose a large chunk of SL revenue in this move, especially when the majority of SL'ers I've spoken with are non-premium members & others will not verify their accounts due to LL using important real-life information with 3rd party verification providers.

I expect some personal discussion with LL on these issues. Please contact me directly.

Regards

Stacey Sugar

That's what I would have suspected, and goes back to my original point.

Why not try enforcing current policies, rather than making new and more complicated policies?

If the problem is Mature content showing up in search results marked to exclude Mature content, then have Search actually exclude land marked as Mature.

If the problem is people building mature builds on PG sims, then respond to an AR about the violation.

Changing policies without addressing enforcement only penalizes the people who are willing to comply with the rules, and rewards the people who disregard the rules.

Given the nature of Second Life, "content" can take the shape of several different things - from an object to a location to an action to a parcel. Adult content could be on a parcel of land or included (as an object, classified listing, etc) in search.

Private estates (ie: regions not on the mainland) will have the ability to set their own maturity rating level at the region level only.

Mature Sims are exactly that. For Mature Adult activities which include sex. I have enjoyed sexual activities within SL for years. I'm a freak like that.. So, because you are a prude. I am not allowed to have a sex bed on my land. Not allowed to hang erotic art in my virtual home. Not allowed to do anything sexual that you might find extreme. Even if it is straight sex in the missionary position performed in my window tinted home with my land clearly marked as a mature area. No Thanks... Alot of you probably engage in activities in SL that I would find highly offensive and object to. But you don't see me banishing you or making you change your SL life. You move! You and all those who think like you. Go create your homogenized, pasteurized, squeeky clean disneyesque continent.. Bet you a million lindens more people would choose the freedom of how it is now rather than your confined, narrow, empty world.

Hi.

Overall I kind of like the decision. I do have a question though. You mention estate owners not having to move, which genrally refers to island owners specifically. I own an entire sim on the mainland, and would fall into the 'need to move' catagory. I would like some detail on how this would work for someone in my situation. I do not want to have to re-buy a sim in the adult continent, have doublesim tier payments until I can sell the old sim which will be on mainland that will undoubtedly have a much lower property value. Also I do not want to have to rebuild or 'take' move everything I have. Additionally I happen to really like the name of the mainland sim i purchased. Is there any chance LL will work with people in my situation to simply move their entire sim 'as-is' to the new continent?

Since a Linden has said that private homes and property will not be affected by this move, will you increase the ban line height to the building limit and put a block on camera movement into ban line protected land in order to help protect land owners from the roving lynch mobs this policy is sure to create?

To clarify, there are no immediate plans to change Teen Second Life and the adult content changes are not impacting Teen Second Life (since Adult content is already not allowed there).


We are looking to build a geographically separate location that is both interesting for people to visit and pleasing to the eye for those who will be operating businesses there.


Yes, Linden Lab is going to help you through this process. Out goal is to ensure that those who provide Adult goods or services can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. We want this to go as smooth as possible for you, your business and your customers.


We hope to offer several ways to allow Residents to verify their accounts and ensure that Adult content is only available to adults. Once an account has been verified they will be able to access the adult content.


The goal is to implement a search filter to allow people to decide if they want to view Adult results or not.

We hope to continue this dialog with everyone impacted by this plan, especially those who own business who will be moving. Watch the blog/forums for more information as this is just the first step in the conversation.

Chris - Great suggestion! I'm not sure this has been on the table yet, but I will be sure to bring this to the team for their consideration as we move forward.

odd, this is just like when i moved IRL and then had two house notes do to the shitty housing market.. and that wasn't bliss for me! i dunno how it will work on people in SL... two sim payments, and a shitty mainland market! wonder if there will be forclosers on mainland sims.. hehe... oh wait... they dont have banks on SL anymore that's another thing they axed!

Any chance of a bit more of a commitment than immediately, I mean it's going to take months to implement this extremely silly adult continent, is there or is there not a long term plan to merge the grids?

A G-Rated continent solves a lot of problems and is less hassle for residents, why on earth won't you do this?