Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

OMG... LL just killed off SL once and for all.. Having been a member since 2006 I am finnaly ready to admit defeat... I have begun the process of selling off my holdings, lindens, land, and inventory items. What once was a wonderful adult place to be and to build has now turned into kiddieland.... Sl will end up very very empty.... LL will end up an also ran... Just like Active Worlds.... So keep up the good work, Lindens!! Mitch Kapor is as wacky as they come... And M. Linden doesn't have a clue what long term residents like me do for fun in SL.. why we are here... And why we contunue to fund this lunacy... But no more for me... My Premium Membership runs out in Oct... By then I will have unloaded my current land holdings... And goodbye SL...... And thank God goodbye to the Lindens... Have never met a more arrogant, full of themselves and their own IQ's than this bunch... It's rarely that you run into a company that is so out of touch with their customer base as LL is... So, for all the LL fanboys... Good luck with your cleansed, washed out, politically correct, liberal wet dream, San Francisco world... I have no desire to be a part of it.... Good Luck running LL with no customers and the absolutely extortionate Tier Fees we all pay.... LOL!! What a bunch of absolute morons...

Who said anything about the economy?
Given the things that people have been ARed and TOSed for in the past, I am disinclined to trust this statement in the absence of a parcel privacy system like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205 .

Not according to your maturity ratings FAQ, which lists simple non-sexual nudity in its guidelines for "adult" content.

That FAQ is bizarre, to be honest, since it talks about regions as monolithic entities with a mind of their own.



I run several clothing-optional residential sims, so where does my estate fall into this? It's been less than an hour and I'm already seeing mixed messages from LL. After the Homestead bait-and-switch, I can't afford to lose traffic to a badly managed and poorly implemented mandatory age-verification filter.

You don't like it? Don't wear it. Start telling others what they may or may not wear, and there'll be problems.

My initial gut reaction is that Shockwave's solution strikes me as much more viable than the one proposed. Simply create a new continent and throw all newbies into it, that can be your Disney continent, leave the mainland as is.

This way nobody whatsoever will be disturbed or forced to move as opposed to your current plan which, no matter what you say, is likely to cause massive upheaval.

Considering that this setup is, again, not targeting people who have a sex bed in their house for their personal use, I'm left thinking this is targeting things like extreme sex/violence clubs/activities/businesses, which would factor into the economy.



You can AR anyone for whatever they like, and unless you have some stats as to what exactly people are popped for (you don't) then I don't know what point you can be making with that.

Cory I think people are just understandably concerned whenever anyone starts trying to define "sexual" and "adult" content because while you seem to think that it's a clear-cut definition of what's extreme/hard core, I think you'll find that mileage may vary. Even if LL comes up with an exhaustive & comprehensive list of objects/activities, and chunks each one into a category with a label on it, there will still be areas that are right on the line and could go either way. Is a strip club that has nude dancers only and no escorts, "extreme"? In my opinion, not compared to what goes on at Yggdrasil, for example, but certainly moreso than 15-Second Poetry. If I want to own some bondage toys and occasionally rez them safely hidden inside my mainland residence, if they have "adult" label on them and I don't live in an "adult" area am I at risk of getting TOS'ed out of my own house? It's the gray places in the middle and the line between "mature"/allowed to stay where it is and "adult"/has to pack up and move, that is going to cause the most headaches.

Except the people that don't want to move in next door to a violent rape/sex/violence business or club (again people this is not for showing a wang, this is for extreme stuff), no one will be inconvenienced and the extreme sex stuff will have full reign over the current SL landmass as it exists now?

The basic problem is that so much of this plan is unstated so far. We don't know:
- what the guidelines and borderlines for content that must absolutely be moved are going to be;
- what responsibilities avatars and landowners on the PG grid are going to have.

For example, "having a sex bed in your house will not get you moved" - well, that sounds OK - but a sex bed, plus a few emotes, becomes a rape scene. A medieval castle with a set of stocks outside might have them used for sexual purposes or might not, how will LL decide? Will it be based on the wishes of the landowner - which might not be respected by visitors, so a user could still encounter adult content on that land?

I don't have stats, I have anecdotes. There may have been 10 people, 100 people, or 1000 people banned from SL because the G Team misinterpreted their guidelines, I don't know, but as far as I'm concerned ONE person is too many so as far as I am concerned that's too many.

Unfortunately you're asking for people to make new subjective distinctions: Are my toys too extreme? Is my property public or private in nature? What percentage of Adult content or activity makes me Adult-themed?

The real point of going with the opposite plan is that while the majority of content and activity in SL might be "tame" in your eyes, what the Lab's suggested plan does is ask hundreds and possibly thousands of residents to either uproot themselves and lose their land investments, or take a chance that their behavior is not too "extreme". It is much, MUCH fairer to offer the minority who get all offended a new "extreme"-free place to live than to ask the rest to GTFO of their land.

They already have to judge a lot of things that get ARed, and this type of discussion they're getting from the community is supposed to help them determine those guidelines, from what I read on the blog.

I really wish I could bold things because Blondin already said that your own personal stuff in your own house is not going to make you get relocated, its a moot point to be freaking out over.

The G-Rated continent is the far better solution and who is to say that all Linden's will respond in the same way as Blondin? There are enough reports of inconsistency on policy already, the knowledgebase definition most certainly does suggest humping is out.

Again, Blondin said personal stuff in your own house isn't subject to this. Its a moot point to freak out about. And how do you know the people that don't want to live next to an extreme sex club are in the minority? Compared to the people that actually make a living off the extreme sex scene, I'm pretty sure they're not.

I suppose Sandboxes Cordova and Goguen, with their frequent displays of people taking dumps, among other things, will need to be moved to the adult area.

Any publicly accessible Region must be designated "Adult" and therefore require Adult validation if it advertises, makes available, references, or displays the following:

* Representations of explicit sexual conduct or genitalia, whether or not photo-realistic ("sexual conduct" will be defined inclusively, to include all erotic themes)
* Representations of intense violence depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm
* Photo-realistic nudity
* Sexually themed spaces (whether indoors or outdoors)

No. the people already living on Mainland will continue as they are today. If you didn't want a house by a sexshop, you should have bought on a PG sim. Your own fault. Things in Mainland should be left alone and people should be allowed to continue to play as they want to play, since SL was advertised as an adult area.

And nothing stops you from moving to the squeaky clean island. I'm sure plenty of perverts exist who'll buy your current parcel.

Don't uproot everyone to try and make the entire continent Rated G. Make a seperate continent the G area, which makes it much easier to control content, what folks can cam to see, and activities. Making the new continent the newbie area uproots nobody - nobody at all.

Then head over to the thread where they're taking suggestions for what exactly is extreme and what isn't and put your two cents in instead of getting riled up over a potential definition that isn't in place yet and which one Linden has already said isn't going to be applicable, I guess.

um...he was clearly joking. Put the shovel down.

as to telling others what they may or may not wear...what do you think LL are doing with this latest B.S?

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A quick question for you JP:
Will you be hosting any inworld office hours specifically to discuss the Geographical restrictions on content with Private Estate owners? (Hopefully limited to Estate owners so that it doesn't become a free for all with people who are not estate owners taking up all the time).

There are quite a few things Estate owners will need to ask Linden Lab about this for example from the FAQ:

" In addition, the current Community Standards do not allow real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depiction of sexual violence including rape; other broadly offensive content is never allowed or tolerated within Second Life. "

For example: if someone wishes to rent a Sim from us and they want to make a Gorean RolePlay sim where does that fit in the land designations? Quite a few instances of fantasy rape take place in those places as well as Broadly Offensive content such as degradation & / or slavery of women. So looking at that, are such potential sims Mature, Adult or not allowed?

Or someone wishes to rent a Sim from you for a combat sim, weapons are used but it is pretty much standard "cartoon" violence where at most death means the AV falls down on the ground for a few moments then gets back up, I would assume that would fall under a Mature rating since there is no extreme graphic violence. However if the people in the sim also do Roleplay involving Torture or Dismemberment in addition to standard combat, does that change the rating to Adult then & if so what guidelines do we need to use

Or if someone wishes to rent a sim for a Club, where does the line between Mature type club and Adult club get drawn? Some are pretty obvious, but even in a no-nudity club quite often there will be ones scantilly clad or dancing on poles or suggestive chat happening, at what point does it become restricted to Adult classifications? Is it if they have Nudity and a sexual theme?

These are just a few of the things that we would need to get guidance on what is allowed so we know how estates are to be labeled.

In addition, The ratings are I assume per Sim (Region) as opposed to per Parcel? If this is the case, can a mature sim be placed along side the Adult sim? or do Adult sims need to either be placed either with other Adult swims or not specifically connected (such as catty corner or with a space) to other sims so you can't actually walk across from one to the other or view one from the other but rather must Teleport to them? (I would assume the second option is the correct one so that you can't accidentally walk into an adult sim, you are specifically required to Teleport in)


I do agree that with the push to make Second Life Globally accessable and useful for Corporate and Educational users, sexually explicit or potentially offensive content cannot simply be left to random chance and controls (especially on the mainland) are needed.
Thanks!

Again, you are missing MY point, which is that they'd be causing an unnecessary involuntary migration, when they could be offering a voluntary option.

I understand you're hung up on what the knowledgebase says right now, make sure that what the Lindens are saying in this thread makes it in and I don't see a problem.

First off, please forgive me for not making it all the way through the thread before my knee jerked and I had to respond.

I understand what LL is trying to accomplish here, but it is a monumental undertaking. The definitions thread was vague, and didn't do much other than to reinforce what the current policies are. The problem with this is, when you start painting everyone's chest red, we'll all end up with paint on us at some point or another. Meaning that defining what is adult will be splitting hairs, and there is no telling where it could stop.

Now as for the reason I am posting this bit in here is because once you've officially determined what is considered "adult", please don't make me move everything I have, the land I pay tier on to Linden labs for both a business and personal space, please do not make me move all of it into some pornographic ghetto.

Because no matter how you want to set it up, that's what the "adult" mainland would be, a mature-themed ghetto.

The definition is in place, read the knowledgebase articles, people have posted excerpts from it for your viewing pleasure already.