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Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 17:38
From: Ian Nider
child avs, and their right to be in Zindra are not against the ToS, like your sploder is.
The sploder is illegal because LL changed the TOS and made it illegal. We are asking LL to change the TOS and make it illegal for child avatars to be in Zindra. If we get those changes then 'dem will be the rules. Many of us just assumed those would be the rules. Now we are asking LL are they out of their collective minds on this. This entire Zindra thing spawned from a child avatar scandal that got in the media outside of SL. LL spent time and money to respond to the accusations by building Zindr and giving us land there - and they completely negate their efforts by allowing the madness to continue there. Does not compute.
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06-20-2009 17:39
From: Lias Leandros
Well I believe that LL needs to spell out that child avatars cannot be in Mature and Adult sims. If you want to go there WEAR ANOTHER FOLDER THAT HAS AN ADULT AVATAR IN IT. I do not understand why these child-avatar-wearing people are forcing this issue with Zindra. Seems fool-hearty.
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Huh? The child AVs are not the one forcing the issue, you are. This same crap has been spewed here many times, a long time before Zindra was even thought of. The same goes for furry haters and those long, hate filled threads.
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Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 17:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
Yes, I remember you. That's why I asked you to THINK about it this time. But apparently you're not going to.
Oh, Think=agree with Argent. I'm sorry didn't understand that, lol
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Until you're willing to actually think about it, and respond sensiebly to what people actually post, I'm going to treat you like a troll.
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Ian Nider
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06-20-2009 17:41
From: Ian Nider
Wow, fancy being proud of being so openly proud and willing to harass innocent people.

So are you accusing all child avs of pedophilia? Are you point blank calling them pedo? Because you'd have to be saying that to justify your vigilantism. Otherwise your clearly harassing, threatening and intolerant to say the least as child avs, and their right to be in Zindra are not against the ToS, like your sploder is.



Can you answer the whole question please.

So are you accusing all child avs of pedophilia? Are you point blank calling them pedo? Because you'd have to be saying that to justify your vigilantism. Otherwise your clearly harassing, threatening and intolerant to say the least as child avs, and their right to be in Zindra are not against the ToS, like your sploder is.
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06-20-2009 17:42
From: Lias Leandros
The sploder is illegal because LL changed the TOS and made it illegal. We are asking LL to change the TOS and make it illegal for child avatars to be in Zindra. If we get those changes then 'dem will be the rules. Many of us just assumed those would be the rules. Now we are asking LL are they out of their collective minds on this. This entire Zindra thing spawned from a child avatar scandal that got in the media outside of SL. LL spent time and money to respond to the accusations by building Zindr and giving us land there - and they completely negate their efforts by allowing the madness to continue there. Does not compute.
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so it's ok for YOU to thumb your nose at the TOS?
Domneth Dingson
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06-20-2009 17:48
There's no reason to ban a child avatar from zindra, since it's not a 'sex continent' and you have to be 18+ to play anyways.You aren't protecting anyone's child, it's an ADULT VERIFIED avatar. There will be mature and PG themed shops there just like Mature has always had.


There is however, a reason to ban a child avatar from your own land or report them to the proper ends, if it's a sexual or adult oriented shop or location. Previously, you kicked child avatars out of strip clubs.. Zindra is no different, it's just now the verified place to conduct certain business.


Again, for those who refuse to read it, Zindra is NOT a SEX CONTINENT, or LL would be charging extra tier per month for the upkeep and because "they can.. sex sells."
Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 17:49
From: Abigail Merlin
so a vertical seperation of lets say 500 meter (average hight of a skybox before buildhight was raised to 4096) is not enough? then how for do you want them appart for it not to be in aproximation of sex?
Ah, Abi - child avatars can fly. And teleport.

From: someone
a kid av owning a parcel in a mainland mature sim with a litle house to live in, later someone moved in next door and setup a sex club, no rules where broken there, nobody had to move and there was no harm but still people tought the child av was wrong for living there
And now that sex club is being forced to move. Situations change. Rules change.

From: someone
luckely LL disagrees with the complainers, proximety stops at the parcel boundery and in many cases even a lot sooner (a room is enough already for the rules)
I'm sorry, has anyone told you about ZINDRA? Linden Lab says no more Adult content next to Little Johnny's house on the mainland.
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Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 17:52
From: Moesha Yakubu
so it's ok for YOU to thumb your nose at the TOS?
Huh, what I do? I am just rallying with folks to get LL to fix the errors in the TOS that allows you to be in a child avatar and come to the Zindra Continent. I'm not holding hostages or anything.
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Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 18:01
From: Ian Nider
Can you answer the whole question please.

So are you accusing all child avs of pedophilia? Are you point blank calling them pedo? Because you'd have to be saying that to justify your vigilantism. Otherwise your clearly harassing, threatening and intolerant to say the least as child avs, and their right to be in Zindra are not against the ToS, like your sploder is.
My manifesto to pedophilia in SL is preserved here /327/02/324131/10.html.

But this thread is about the continent of Zindra and child avatars. And there are those of us that are imploring LL to fix the TOS and make Zindra off-limits to child avatars.
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06-20-2009 18:01
From: Lias Leandros
Huh, what I do? I am just rallying with folks to get LL to fix the errors in the TOS that allows you to be in a child avatar and come to the Zindra Continent. I'm not holding hostages or anything.
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ok, and how about while they are at it they "fix" that loophole that allows you to defy the no gambling part of the TOS as well? and hey while we are at it, lets ban furries, i mean really some of them are just kid avs with animal heads right? oh and while we are at it lets ban those nekos too! and animal avatars and those Elves and Fae Folk and anything else that is outside your comfort zone. will that make it all better? or even better, how about LL bans all the "adult" content and be done with it. that way everyone is happy. oh wait no, then the mains ones complaining about child avs won't have a darn thing to do in SL. :rolleyes:
Marianne McCann
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06-20-2009 18:02
From: Lias Leandros
The only child avatar I ever saw Mari in the forums. And I rationalized that away by convincing myself she never logged into SL anyway (lol).


I spend far more time there (SL) than here (Forums).
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06-20-2009 18:03
From: Lias Leandros
This entire Zindra thing spawned from a child avatar scandal that got in the media outside of SL.
This whole Zindra thing got started when some companies they were trying to sell Second Life as a place to do business in go freaked out by the obvious porn on the mainland.
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06-20-2009 18:04
From: Lias Leandros
Oh, Think=agree with Argent. I'm sorry didn't understand that, lol
I don't expect you to agree, I'd be satisfied with you actually reading and responding to the content of what I post.
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06-20-2009 18:05
From: Lias Leandros
Oh, Think=agree with Argent. I'm sorry didn't understand that, lol
I don't expect you to agree, I'd be satisfied with you actually reading and responding to the content of the messages people post.

From: Lias Leandros
I'm sorry, has anyone told you about ZINDRA? Linden Lab says no more Adult content next to Little Johnny's house on the mainland.
No, Linden Labs says no more adult stores and clubs where IBM and HP and Dell can see them. Because:

From: Lias Leandros
This entire Zindra thing spawned from a child avatar scandal that got in the media outside of SL.
This whole Zindra thing got started when some companies they were trying to sell Second Life as a place to do business in go freaked out by the obvious porn on the mainland.
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06-20-2009 18:07
From: Lias Leandros
Huh, what I do? I am just rallying with folks to get LL to fix the errors in the TOS that allows you to be in a child avatar and come to the Zindra Continent. I'm not holding hostages or anything.

This is your post (#296) from the " Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*? "

/327/02/324131/19.html

as for not taking hostages, I think you've been clear you'll take what ever steps you have to, regardless of anything, reason, rights or person.

From: Lias Leandros

One last note. ASCIIrider has quite a few folks against pedophilia embedded in his group he does not know about. And they have quite a bit of intel on the Second Life Pedophilia community. Many of them were contacting me straight from that beach by sending me e-mails of chats of adult avatars offering child avatar on the beach to join them in bubble baths. I also received postcards sent to me of adult avatars nude with orphan child avatars nude dancing with them (quite disturbing).

ASCIIrider did tell me he would never put a child in his family in a room full of nude men - so there is some hope for him. ASCIIrider did also confirm that he was member of two communities in SL that were shut down for pedophilia by Linden Lab. And that those people that ran those groups are currently his friends and are now members of his group.

I told the group members against pedophilia sending me this information to create a blog and name all of the Pedos in SL on their blog and include the disturbing pictures they have taken (and they have very accurate logs - these peopel are very dedicated to getting these pedophiles out of Second Life). ASCIIrider believes that his attorneys can stop this - but I assured him they cannot. If Linden Lab cannot stop this maybe someone outside of Second Life can.

While I was talking to ASCIIrider I was told to look at one his current group member's profiles. She had a RL Picture and was not wearing any pants or underwear/ She was tied up in the Mud. This was her profile picture. She was currently on his beach with a gag ball in her mouth. Of course there were nude child avatars there. He admits the pedophiles come for the nude child avatars he invites to his group - but he will not stop inviting them - and he says he cannot control what happens on the beach when he is not there. Hopefully this blog being published can help him control the pedophilia that occurs at his place. A picture is worth a thousand words.


it wasn't her last note either, lol.
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06-20-2009 18:18
From: Lias Leandros
Well I believe that LL needs to spell out that child avatars cannot be in Mature and Adult sims.

Many Mature rated regions have no adult content.

Is there any good reason why Child avatars should be banned from hair or clothing stores in Mature regions? Or from art installations in Mature regions?
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06-20-2009 18:18
From: Lias Leandros
Well I believe that LL needs to spell out that child avatars cannot be in Mature and Adult sims. If you want to go there WEAR ANOTHER FOLDER THAT HAS AN ADULT AVATAR IN IT. I do not understand why these child-avatar-wearing people are forcing this issue with Zindra. Seems fool-hearty.

because you just cannot seem to get past the letters and realize a sims content is what restricts not a sim rating..if we looked at this chant that some of the people from adult content are making that zindra is only going to be for adult content..
then they are wanting special treatment to make zindra for only adult content..that they are the only ones that have a right to buy there..but have a right to buy everywhere else in sl too..
that nobody else should buy there in zindra unless they plan on having adult content..
thats favortism and a lot have lost more and got nothing in return..

people have been getting screwed over that were not offered swaps that took a bigger beating than people exchanging lands getting something instead of LL saying adult content has to go altogether..

lose 6 sims with no recoup of any kind and i'll shed a tear..it kinda sucks

if you think it is for adult only content you will just have to see how the map looks later for a virtual reality check..
sex is not adult content all on it's own..

also i don't have a child avatar ;)


From: Lias Leandros

Many of us misunderstood what LL was saying about Zindra. We assumed since we were being forced behind the morality firewall - that we would be there with Adult Content ONLY. Not just forced to move for no apparent reason.

reminds me of the OS thing ..you would think some would know by now not to assume things in SL when it comes to changes like this..

a lot seem to have a good understanding of what it will be that are in the same boat..


From: Lias Leandros

Dear, that is what you need to worry about. We tried to warn you but you won't listen. This will not end well.
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you don't have to warn me i'm in the warning party..and yes i'm sure people will not like how zindra looks after the auction is over :p
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06-20-2009 18:20
From: Marianne McCann
I spend far more time there (SL) than here (Forums).



I'm amazed that she [Lias] does not know that, but this is about jumping to conclusions without any real knowledge, isn't it?
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Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 18:24
From: Marianne McCann
I spend far more time there (SL) than here (Forums).
Aha! There she is. The snowbunny in Hell that started this entire scandal. Well I hope your happy now, young lady.

But actually it was a rude awakening for a whole lot of us being forced to move to Zindra. And I believe LL let us assume what we wanted so we would be good little avatars and march behind the smut firewall without causing too much chaos for them.

Many would really like LL to seriously re-think allowing PGers to have child avatar zones in Zindra. This is not a personal agenda completely. The 2007 child avatar scandal snow-balled and was used to make me and alot of people give up their land and locations. LL, in all of thier wisdom, has advertised Zindra as a Adult continent - so every fetish in SL knows about it and will make an appearance there. This will be a concentrated area of adult continent. The chances of some child avatar scandal occurring again in this continent is so much higher than when it happened before.
Is LL only employing hippies? Do they have a Conservative or a Republican on staff or on the Board? Someone talk to the Hippie-Agenda folks (when they come down off those hash brownies) and explain what RL special interest groups can do to them the next time it occurs. Why temp fate when they are so close to fixing the problem?
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Lias Leandros
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06-20-2009 18:27
From: Argus Collingwood
I'm amazed that she [Lias] does not know that, but this is about jumping to conclusions without any real knowledge, isn't it?
Easy, calm down. Mari is a big girl. She can speak for herself. Let's not turn this into a fracas.
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06-20-2009 18:28
From: Lias Leandros
Aha! There she is. The snowbunny in Hell that started this entire scandal.
Where? I didn't think P- N- was even allowed in the forums any more!
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06-20-2009 19:10
From: Vryl Valkyrie
http://www.vryl.eu/zindra.mp3

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06-20-2009 20:01
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It's not like Nautilus, where there'll be cool things for residents to hunt for or more clues pointing to Magellan Linden. At least, I hope not. And if such things are to be found there - well, I'll just have to miss them. It's not worth it.

I found another emergency beacon and lots of empty bottles in a dark underwater station in Laffoon - I think Magellan's been there. There was also evidence of some toxic waste experimentation and a giant mutant frog. So much for being "green" - I know what you're really doing down there, Lindens!!!

Then I crashed when I was in a small tunnel. It would have been a good size for children to explore. However, with the toxic waste, it's probably not so safe.
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06-20-2009 20:23
Lias... troll... Lias... troll... Lias... troll..

Are you related to... Vryl from the other forum ?

Lias is >>> Rude, bullying and self opinionated with extreme arrogance...

Sheesh !!! you are defo a number 1 troll and get my award for " Troll Award 2009".

in Second place comes Vryl from the Xstreet forums.... sorry honey your in second place.

Lets all here it for Lias and Vryl !!!! ... love to meet them and share a flat with them for a year and just generally hang out with them... they can both even have all my money and I will just live on the streets drinking cider and eating food from the bins.

All worship Lias "Troll Award 2009"... Thanks Lias !!! you are number 1
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06-20-2009 20:35
that totally reminded me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww&feature=related
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