So why are kids on Zindra?

I advise people not to do this, if the content is deemed a breach of the law the person taking the photo will be in trouble, if they send it to others, they'll be distributing.

Being accused of a false AR will be the least of your worries. Having been involved in a collateral spam issue where child porn was spammed using our domain name the Police told me I could not even forward the spam to them as I'd be guilty of distributing it.

Ahem Lias? Nice from you to post that definition. What part of "This may be purely regressive (in order to re-experience childhood in a non-sexual sense)" did you not understand? That's exactly what the big majority of SL kid/teen avatars does! SL giving the extra bonus that here you not only can have the pictures in your head, but also display them by using a kid/teen avatar. If these kind of ageplayers could do that in RL, they wouldn't only wear kids clothes and behave like kids, they also would change their body to fit that image.

Oh, and once again. RL kids can stand outside a strip club on a road in any given city and it is okay. They can't go in, though, and that's how it should be. Same goes for SL.

And it would suck for everyone. This hyperfine slicing and dicing of the grid to satisfy one or another easily offended sensibility has no bounds, you know. "Us" vs "them" is infinitely divisible. Where I grew up, the Norwegian-Americans and the Swedish-Americans considered each other barbarians, even though nobody else could tell them apart. If we start down this path, there will be separate grids for each species and breed of Fur.

Any pretense of SL being a place for tolerance will be lost. It's a fragile thing, as we see over and over again.

Daniel, I do not see the ability to create child avatars to engage in sexual activity with adult avatars as a bonus - to me, caricatures of child pornography are not SL perks.
Clearly not according the definition. I could find no other source except wiki to get a definition for this activity.
No its not. Not in my town. Where do you live?

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I know of no law that kids can't stand outside a strip club, that would be a most bizzare law, I know in Second Life you can teleport to skyboxes but I've never seen this feature RL!!!

You see kids in Soho, Amsterdam, Vegas.

Once again. Where did anybody demand to be allowed to use kid/teen avatars for sexual activity? You won't find any quotes on that here. You fall again into the black-white sheme that the only reason to create a kid/teen avatar is a sexual one - even though the definition you yourself posted clearly states the different shapes of ageplay.



I live in Germany. On my way from home to my fav electronics store, I pass a sex shop, even with outside shop displays. There is not a single sign at any end of the street saying "Children not allowed, use a different street". However, there is a sign "adults only" on the door of the shop.

Last time I was in the USA I didn't see adult restricted streets either - even though I saw lots of adult restricted businesses located at the streets. Maybe because it was a tourist trip and we mostly followed the normal tourist routes. Can you send me a picture please of that place you are talking about where children are not allowed to walk a public street because an adult business is located there? Please don't see this as attack, I'm seriously interested in that. Here in Germany the rules are that you can't open a sex shop in proximity of a school for example. However, where sex shops are allowed, there is no restriction to anyone using the public grounds around them.

Ciaran and Daniel, there is something that is in place of laws in society. It is known as Common Decency. Sadly, in SL, the societal norm is sociopathy: 'If I can achieve it - I will do it - this effects no one but me'.

RL Society is creeping in and imposing their societal norms on SL. And if Common Decency cannot prevail - then we can look forward to a 30 page TOS to spell out Common Decency to the user base here.
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Lias common decency dictates that the outside of said establishments is not adult. Hence why there's no problem with kids standing outside them. The strip clubs I know are in city centres, located near shopping areas with thousands of people walking by on a daily basis. You can't see in these places, dirty bookstores have blacked out windows, kids can't see in, kids can't go in but kids can be in the vicinity.

Manhattan has strip clubs next to delis. Kids are welcome in delis.

i want to visit your version of reality, the colors must be magnificent.

i lived in the chicago land area until i was 10 years old..there was an adult bookstore next to the convenient store in a strip mall.. me and my sister used to walk and stand there for 30 minutes waiting to get on the bus for school..
in the winter we used to stand next to the store because it blocked the wind..
lol we were too cold to wonder what was inside lol

Ok, child avatars gathering outside of strip clubs in Zindra. What else should child avatars in Zindra be able to do? This will not end well.

Ah don't go moving the goalposts. I'm sure plenty of PG businesses will want a presence in Zindra just as plenty of PG businesses have a presence on mature land.

this is the thing that can't be grasped..
pg roads in an adult continent that will have linden pg info hubs..because Adult is just adult because it's spelled adult..for some thats where the thinking stops..because that place is the special place where only adult content creators and users are allowed..

i guess anyone that shows up on that road or info hub that is not there for adult content will be considered a leader of a movement to threaten adult content..

This is that grey area that is getting everyone anxious. We need the TOS to specifically address this issue that will be plaguing Zindra.
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i think ceka was being facetious(sp).

Um, you're saying Lias is P- N-?

Zindra wasn't forced on Philip Linden.

Zindra wasn't forced on Philip Linden.

Where are you getting your "facts"?
The same place that you got the "fact" that they don't allow kids in nudist areas in RL?

Zindra wasn't forced on Philip Linden.

Where are you getting your "facts"?
The same place that you got the "fact" that they don't allow kids in nudist areas in RL?

On a related subject:
Good advice for you, too, if you were really advocating staging fake evidence for ARs.

You're forgetting the other thing that happened in 2006 and 2007. A lot of RL businesses decided that they would move in to SL and set up dead malls on private islands. Nobody came, so they moved out. Linden Labs did a questionnaire and one of the reasons that these companies cited for moving out was all the porn on the mainland. As well as lag, lack of customers, unreliable services, security, griefing, ... but that was one thing they listed.

Linden Labs decided that was something they could do something about.

Discovers that the chair looks really crappy in their house because it's scaled for a typical oversized SL avatar, but it looked fine in their store. So next time they go there they wear an adult avatar that's scaled to the size of their child avatar and gets falsely ARed by L- L- or P- N- for ageplay in Zindra.

Discovers that the chair looks really crappy in their house because it's scaled for a typical oversized SL avatar, but it looked fine in their store. So next time they go there they wear an adult avatar that's scaled to the size of their child avatar and gets falsely ARed by L- L- or P- N- for ageplay in Zindra.

What the hell is a "legal sploder"?

But the big push to get companies to set up shop in SL was in 2006 and 2007.

why would Linden change the way they do things just for there..the textures are on the wall in the info hubs and the beaches are protected by the roads.
owners can do what they want with their land and it's already known that you don't have to live by some imaginary law that you have to have adult content on and adult continent..

so if sims and the search are rated by their content and not their sim rating then what more do you need that will show it's not going to be all adult there??

it's pretty black and white that owners can do what they want within the TOS/CS with their own lands..

i think what we need for these people that are making these threads and using cheap tactics like picking out individuals and dragging their names in the mud with flat out lies to put in the heads of people that don't know them..is a blues clues video of
cartoon hands picking up the mature content that is here now and lifting it up in the air showing it change color and being renamed as they set it down on zindra..

then show them a big shiny map of all the places that it landed and then show all the places that will be different..all the blue can be the clues and all the red can be the adult content..maybe then they will get a clue as to it not working any different than it has when it was called mature..

anyone that uses tactics like that and hurts someone as sweet as the person they hurt has no morals or values or gives a care in the world who they would hurt with their flat out bald face lies....
shame on them ..it is a sick thing to do..just sick..

No they didn't. They pointed out that certain uses of bots was against the ToS, but they have never banned copybot or any other bot or client-side content copying tool. What they did was to point out that using ANY tool for violating copyright and bypassing the SL rights system was against the ToS. The legitimate uses of these tools, which is what their initial statement was about, remained legal.

Is this another case of you hearing what you want to hear?

which just may blow up in their faces.

wouldn't it be ironic if LL, instead of releasing Zindra as an "adult content" related sim, decides to just eliminate the problem all together?

(this was in response to ceka's last post)