So why are kids on Zindra?

Oh, I assure you, I am perfectly calm, cool, collected and quite logical at times. It's the Second Hand [pun intended] Data that is a major nit I'm picking. The only incite to riot posts have been from the ones running around with their hoohoos and boobies hanging out in Zindra. Zindra has some nice exclusive content including the Moly Bible.. explore the place before it's all lagged out.

I don't believe Lias is a troll. She has a strong opinion.

I can see where a lot of people are pissed off. The Adult Content policy has people ticked off. They're being uprooted from land they've owned, and are looking at an uncertain future.

People are being pushed around and they feel their voices aren't being heard. They percieve they're getting screwed, and not in a good way.

Then they see child avatars in the place their being shoved off into. You'd be mad, too.

I don't believe it's a big deal. There's an open house in Zindra, and everyone ought to be able to explore. The real adult content won't move in for a couple weeks.

That should be plenty of time for people to cool down and then re-evaluate the situation.

Exactly what I mean Milla... there is no adult content there yet.

The thing is, child avatars have nothing to do with being mad about Zindra. There are two separate issues here:

First issue: Zindra was a hug imposition on a lot of SL residents and store owners. Child avatars had nothing to do with that. Linden Labs was solving a different problem: that when someone shows up to see what SL is all about, they are as likely as not to end up in a brothel or strip club. Linden Labs decided to solve this by imposing on those maintaining adult content, forcing them to move. (My opinon: age verification is as stupid as it ever was; the rest of this was probably the right choice.)

Second issue: People apparently have a problem with child avatars being too near sexual content. Trying to bring Zindra into this problem is essentially opportunism. The stuff these people are complaining about is already well-understood. So we're talking about an old and largely solved problem, which Zindra made no effort to fix... but a few people want to REDEFINE the purpose of Zindra because they don't like how Linden Labs already resolved these issues about child avatars.

The key word is REDEFINE. Linden Labs got it mostly right about Zindra. They addressed the problem they set out to solve. This is NOT a mistake in the Terms of Service. It is NOT an oversight. It's NOT a "quirk" to be worked out over the next few weeks. Child avatars are allowed in Zindra, and it's quite sensible that they are.

The issue is not really about Zindra. The issue is child avis, anywhere and anytime. Is there a legitimate reason for their existance in SL.

No Lias, you started this scandal. You who can not seem to separate reality and fantasy. You who seem to think that only your viewpoint is valid.

I think you need to spend more time reading the dictionary than watching Fox news.

Yes, same reason there is for any being in SL. Period. If there is no reason for "child av's", then there is no purpose for any other being in SL.

Now THAT is what I call a troll.

Yes, it's the same reason you are legit.

I beg your pardon. That is what the issue is. Zindra was just the catalyst.

I am not passing judgement. Just pointing out the agenda.

As much of a reason as there is for any other avatar.

Which one?

Just to be clear, I didn't set up any skyboxes, or any sex stuff. People live here. I don't really pay any attention to what they put 500 meters above their house. Maybe none of them have skyboxes. I don't know, and I don't care.



Well, I'm glad you recognize that this isn't really about Zindra. I've said that a couple times now.

It's also not about the "grey areas of the TOS" though. There's nothing grey about the fact that child avatars are allowed by the TOS (subject to the rules of the land owner, of course) to play a sex-free game anywhere that a sex-free game can be played. They are not required to stay a full sim away from sexual content, and they are *certainly* not required to stay any distance away from any hypothetical sexual content that doesn't actually exist. The TOS restricts child avatars with respect to *actual* sexual stuff that is in the *actual* immediate place where they are. If you see child avatars violating these real TOS rules, I hope you'll AR them, so they can get their accounts terminated and we can all move on. If not, then maybe you should concentrate on not being so intolerant.

Yes, but my point is that certain parties are using Zindra as a reason to discredit child avis in general. That is their agenda.

The anti child avi agenda. The pro child avi agenda as well for thaat matter. Zindra has become their battleground.

My apologies... I apparently misunderstood your point... along with half a dozen other people that responded at the same time I did.

Sorry, I apologise, I misunderstood you. I agree, probably also bdsm considering the recent violence thread. Ultimately, animal avs, furries, and adult human av that has any preference they disagree with too.

Funny thing is, most people were not even "pro" child avi, I think some people are opposed to the censorship based on such personal ideals. I know that is why I am reacting.

Apology accepted. The issue is certainly proving to be an explosive one. Perhaps the most controversial to ever be explored in SL. Emotions appear to be running high.

My own thoughts on the issue are somewhat divided at the moment.

Being honest and all that.

Kinda' like being tagged with pro-life when you don't really know what that really means.

If you mean people taking a stand pro their rights may be not aware of what they are standing up for, you're a bit hard to decipher... but on that, I am fine with being tagged pro child avi rights if I have been. They pay a fee to use SL like anyone else and are held to the ToS like anyone else.

Gotta love it when "people" flat out admit they are going to file false abuse reports LOL

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade

Xactly. Although I might personally not be OK with abortion, I don't feel that I can or should tell someone else what to do with their body. So does that make me "pro-life"?

If you follow the stuff over at Xstreet, you will see that the main agenda is nothing short of banning child avis from SL entirely.

We have to look back to why Zindra was forced on Philip Linden and his customers. It all comes from the 2007 Child Avatar Scandal in Second Life. SO if the child avatar and adult content issue makes us give up our parcels - why would we do the same thing again?
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