So why are kids on Zindra?

Lias: Daniel did not write "SEXUAL activity", he wrote "NON-SEXUAL activity". This is what I mean when I say you are not reading and thinking about the messages you're responding to.

Ok now we are selling children furniture in Zindra and having child avatars hang out in front of strip clubs - Will not end well.

Win by votes - not a random number genrator script.

Companies talked about scalability over adult content. The Adult content issue blew up because of child avatars.

well a couple of years back that was a topic that kept coming up in a circle i was in with some people that seemed to know some things..
that SL would be cleaned up but the thought was sex industry would be gone completely ..
here we are a couple years later and there was a change..they made the changes to their businesses over a year ago and had been slowly adjusting it before that..it wouldn't be the first time they made the right move..

Are them pesky kids 'n' their gawddam dawg still on Zindra!?

Myrtle! Myrtle!!

Git ma twelve-bore.

And a good way to accomplish that is to welcome child avatars into Zindra - have a scandal leak out to the press and then close all adult content forever to combat the "problem".

well maybe it's time they just went ahead and did just that. then maybe, those who would use kid avs as an excuse would finally see it's not the kids but the purveyors of said "adult(nee;sexual/porn) content" that are the true blemish on the SL landscape

Or strip and perform a sexual act next to a child av just to prove a point....

they seem to be the only ones talking about going around and setting up traps..kind of childish i think..omg did i do an irony?

you haz irony!

What point would that be?
.

That Zindra is adult land apparently, ask the person who did it or the people suggesting stripping next to child av's to create a scene that poses a risk to everyone in the vicinity.

Poses a risk? Hmm.

No, we're not "having children hanging out in front of strip clubs in Zindra". You're reading what you want to see again. Which is why I don't believe you when you say:

I think it was more to do with the fact that they wouldn't have to solve any NP-hard problems to ban strip clubs. "We have to do something, this is something, therefore we will do it".

Please provide proof when inventing your own reality. Blog or it didn't happen. (=_=)

Links to LL blog posts, brown bag transcripts, and office hours chatlogs only. Everything else is invented reality and rumor. (=_=)y

Well they could visit the dams (the ones with the Linden "No Sex, No Nudity etc" signs).

They could open and run a shop selling extremely graphic violent (non-sexual, non-pornographic) artwork (which would meet the violence parts of the Adult definition).

Matthew

/invalid_link.html

Searching for his name shows that he is still in the forums with 4 posts this month. I do not know if it is possible to ban an account from a sub forum, in this case RA. Maybe he feels that his illiterate alt Lias is doing enough without him?

It is not uncommon in communities here in the USA to use zoning to regulate business with adult content. This can range from limiting location to outright banning. Since this is done on a local basis, you may indeed find some places where children may be able to stand outside of an adult establishment, but it is not very likely.

Of course zoning has many other uses in RL as well, that run counter to the free spirit that permeates mainland SL. For instance areas are zoned business or agricultural. Many communities also have ordinances that limit what you may build on your property or park in your driveway.

I think that we are seeing the further steps by LL to try and bring some order to the chaos that accompanied the rapid expansion of the grid. After the gambling ban I pointed out that sex would be the next thing to be addressed.

Despite what they say, SL is Linden's world and vision. They would like something a bit more tidy and organized I think, judging by their past and present building efforts.

Kind of went off topic from the thread. Sorry 'bout that.

That's what I said, we have a bit of that here in Germany, too, where some kinds of business can't reside in some zones of the city. The zoning limits the freedom of the adult business to choose where to open shop - but it doesn't limit the freedom of groups of people to go to these zones. A zone where adult business is allowed doesn't mean that *only* adult business is allowed, it doesn't mean that people can't live there who have nothing to do with that business at all and so on.

Assuming one could find a child avatar on Zindra. I've been all over there for the past few days and seen maybe two of them.

Since I will be here long after to go back under your bridge, I will. Thanks

Yes by the irresponsible adult who chooses to create an issue.

You do understand that there are already rules in place in Linden Labs' Terms of Service that prohibit a child avatar from "co mingling" while people are letting their "freak flag fly"?

But merely stepping foot on a mature and/or adult continent is not contrary to TOS, because that is not the only thing happening there. As Argent asked, what is so hard to understand about that?

I thought Lias' post was a fair enough supposition and may be true for some but I can't imagine that's the reason people are upset about it. She stated that people would be alarmed a child avatar 'has to see that' - a child has to see that? That isn't a child. In fact if anywhere on SL were to be less likely for it to BE an actual child behind the avatar, it's Zindra.

I realise she said that's the emotional response, but I'd say that person is far too emotional, then. There are no innocent eyes on Zindra - except maybe for the few bewildered noobs who venture in. (Then again the bewildered noobs all turned out to have a year or older rez date...Lol.)

i just posted this over at xstreet to hopefully help make things a bit clearer for them..hope it helps =)

This should clear up what a continent is and what a region/sim is for those still having a hard time with the definitions..

What are "Adult" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?
The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use. Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:

* Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
* Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph
* Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct

Groups, event listings and classified ads that reference these themes or content must also be designated Adult.
Linden Lab will enforce these rules. However, we can't monitor all ephemeral content and conduct within Second Life. We will therefore rely on several factors in implementing these Adult designation requirements:

1. First and foremost, Regions, groups, and event or classified ad listings that employ search tags plainly suggestive of adult behavior or content will require the respective Adult designation, and not be viewable to Residents who are not account verified.
2. Second, we will conduct proactive monitoring and rely on abuse reports that identify adult content or conduct that is promoted or advertised publicly. Where adult content or conduct on a Region is publicly advertised or promoted, that Region must be designated as Adult (or such content must be removed). We will re-designate such Regions if adult content is not removed.
3. We may take into account whether apparent or reported adult content or conduct on a particular Region serves only an extremely limited or passive function, or an important educational or cultural function, and therefore would be appropriate for all Second Life audiences.
4. As with all reported activity in violation of our policies, we will actively review all reports of adult conduct and provide Residents with a channel for rebuttal.


In the FAQs below, we offer examples as to what types of Regions are and are not considered adult, based on, for example, distinctions between "public" and "private" content, as well as distinctions between content that is "expressly sexually themed" and content that is not.

Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent" -- a "mainland" alternative where adult content and activities can be located and found by Residents. Landowners wishing to host adult activities or make available adult content can either

* Locate on this Adult Continent
* Locate on a Region that has been designated by its owner as Adult

Region owners are responsible for designating a Region's maturity level. Occupants of Regions will be expected to locate in a Region suitable to each occupant's content and conduct.

I would say that the rules against sexual ageplay (which are still in play) the came in due to the Report Mainz publicity would fall under part of what she is saying. A lot more of the negative publicity (at least in this country) is from articles and television stories about SL, with news reporters coming into SL and finding strip clubs and virtual prostitutes shortly after hitting the Info Hubs (ironic, given there are Info Hubs in Zindra which will, presumably, be within a short distance from their Info Hubs) as well as the infamous Ansche Chung penis griefing of late 2007.