So why are kids on Zindra?

You seriously think people will waste the effort at the risk of an AR? (=_=)

It's been two years, and SL is still around. It hasn't happened to Facebook or MySpace, with far worse scandals. Even Craigslist, which arguably is guilty of breaking the law itself, is still around, albeit with changes.

You seem to be saying that SL's reputation problems are entirely due to the 2007 German incident, and if it just had adult-only exotic sex, it would all be fine. I look at articles such as http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/11/why-reuters-left-second-life-and-how-linden-lab-can-fix-it, and don't get that impression at all. Many people here, myself included, believe that at best, you're highly exaggerating the importance of that 2007 incident.

How do you suggest we figure out who's right? I'm willing to look at evidence that would support your position. Are you willing to look at evidence, such as that article about the Reuters pull-out, that weigh against your position? Do you even agree that independent articles written in the 6-12 months combined with recent LL statements are a decent way of determining the weight that the 2007 scandal plays in current policy?

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Was it even that much of a scandal at all? At the time, SL was a distant thought to me since my hardware didn't support it. I heard nothing of this "public scandal" until I actually actively got involved in SL. Otherwise, it was nothing more than a missing-blip on the news radar of the outlets I followed. Namely CNET, Just about anything Ziff Davis publishes, Yahoo, and Google news search. (^_^)y

It's been two years, and SL is still around. It hasn't happened to Facebook or MySpace, with far worse scandals. Even Craigslist, which arguably is guilty of breaking the law itself, is still around, albeit with changes.

You seem to be saying that SL's reputation problems are entirely due to the 2007 German incident, and if it just had adult-only exotic sex, it would all be fine. I look at articles such as http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/11/why-reuters-left-second-life-and-how-linden-lab-can-fix-it, and don't get that impression at all. Many people here, myself included, believe that at best, you're highly exaggerating the importance of that 2007 incident.

How do you suggest we figure out who's right? I'm willing to look at evidence that would support your position. Are you willing to look at evidence, such as that article about the Reuters pull-out, that weigh against your position? Do you even agree that independent articles written in the 6-12 months combined with recent LL statements are a decent way of determining the weight that the 2007 scandal plays in current policy?

Aside from the fact that was a pretty disturbing description to have on a PG-rated forum, I would ask this: what is to prevent someone from doing that today, anywhere on the grid? What could have stopped that before Zindra hit the grid, or was even announced?

Of course it would be the child AVs fault. If the rules say they cannot be there - and they are there - its a black and white issue. (and if someone says they will NEVER go anywhere without wearing their child avatar - then why would they Adult Verify and stand the chance of being thrown in an Zindra Continent infohub if some sims go down?)

Was it even that much of a scandal at all? At the time, SL was a distant thought to me since my hardware didn't support it. I heard nothing of this "public scandal" until I actually actively got involved in SL. Otherwise, it was nothing more than a missing-blip on the news radar of the outlets I followed. Namely CNET, Just about anything Ziff Davis publishes, Yahoo, and Google news search. (^_^)y

You know what could prevent it. But dare you say it?
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That's the same type of black and white reasoning that got the MA State Police in trouble, for issuing a ticket to a husband trying to get his wife to the hospital when her contractions were 3 minutes apart: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/02/13/police_do_about_face_on_ticket_flap/

Black and white reasoning is for people either too rushed or too lazy to think things through. You don't know how or why the child av came there, so you don't know whether or not the child av is at fault.

Oh, wait, it is black and white: no evidence of intent, case dismissed.

it is an adult continent that can hav adult rates sims in it jundged by the content and goings on in those sims to rate them as such

All I have to say to that is what Linden Lab postedThat means the sidewalks and waterways are deemed Adult. And Adult activities WILL occur on these roads and waterways.

They're no-rez parcels and Linden maintained land... As is, the parcels are unrated until marked as otherwise or established by the land owner.

Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent" -- a "mainland" alternative where adult content and activities can be located and found by Residents. Landowners wishing to host adult activities or make available adult content can * Locate on this Adult Continent

Right. Adult Content and child AVs do not mix.

This should clear up what a continent is and what a region/sim is for those still having a hard time with the definitions..

What are "Adult" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?

The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use.Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:

* Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
* Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph
* Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct

Groups, event listings and classified ads that reference these themes or content must also be designated Adult.
Linden Lab will enforce these rules. However, we can't monitor all ephemeral content and conduct within Second Life. We will therefore rely on several factors in implementing these Adult designation requirements:

1. First and foremost, Regions, groups, and event or classified ad listings that employ search tags plainly suggestive of adult behavior or content will require the respective Adult designation, and not be viewable to Residents who are not account verified.
2. Second, we will conduct proactive monitoring and rely on abuse reports that identify adult content or conduct that is promoted or advertised publicly. Where adult content or conduct on a Region is publicly advertised or promoted, that Region must be designated as Adult (or such content must be removed). We will re-designate such Regions if adult content is not removed.
3. We may take into account whether apparent or reported adult content or conduct on a particular Region serves only an extremely limited or passive function, or an important educational or cultural function, and therefore would be appropriate for all Second Life audiences.
4. As with all reported activity in violation of our policies, we will actively review all reports of adult conduct and provide Residents with a channel for rebuttal.


In the FAQs below, we offer examples as to what types of Regions are and are not considered adult, based on, for example, distinctions between "public" and "private" content, as well as distinctions between content that is "expressly sexually themed" and content that is not.

Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent" -- a "mainland" alternative where adult content and activities can be located and found by Residents. Landowners wishing to host adult activities or make available adult content can either

* Locate on this Adult Continent
* Locate on a Region that has been designated by its owner as Adult

Region owners are responsible for designating a Region's maturity level. Occupants of Regions will be expected to locate in a Region suitable to each occupant's content and conduct.

It is head-in-the-sand denial like this from the child avatar people that will cause much of the issues.
If you do not learn from the past - you are doomed to repeat it.
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Right. Adult Content and child AVs do not mix.
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Right. Content. The content of a parcel determines whether it is suitable for the presence of child avatars, per the Community Standards.

If Zindra is ocean to ocean Adult Content, there will be no question, child avatars are inappropriate there. If it is not, then there will be parcels where their presence is not a problem.

Linden Lab says Zindra is an Adult Continent. (Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent". See?

Linden Lab says Zindra is an Adult Continent. (Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent". See?

And according to your logic someone can make a parcel there and put up a child playground in Zindra.

Brillant
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It remains to be seen what the overall content of Zindra actually looks like.

Linden Lab says Zindra is an Adult Continent. (Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent". See?

And according to your logic someone can make a parcel there and put up a child playground in Zindra.
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So if a Child Avatar gets to a Zindra parcel first and builds a playground for child avatars - then the Adult business will be denied the right to build their business within eyesight of that playground.

It just keeps getting better.
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So if a Child Avatar gets to a Zindra parcel first and builds a playground for child avatars - then the Adult business will be denied the right to build their business within eyesight of that playground.

It just keeps getting better.
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