So why are kids on Zindra?
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Marianne McCann
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06-21-2009 19:55
From: Lias Leandros Not once has anyone taken that agenda and went ot a predominantly child avatar area to plan some sort of framed AR attack. As an aside, I have seen this happen in the past, including people attempting to disrupt things at HardKnock Elementary and other kid-friendly locations as well as trying to get child avatars to follow them to locations where the kid would be in proximity to sexual devices. There have also been incidents where avatars have left sexual devices in child-friendly sim in order to AR the locations. To be clear, I have not heard of any of the aforementioned incidents in the last three months, but it has indeed happened.
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06-21-2009 19:58
From: Marianne McCann ...and just to further clarify, because I'm sure someone will misconstrue this, that above anonymous quote was *not* me. OOPS!!! i'm sorry for not making that clear also Marianne  it was not Marianne it was a boy avatar.. again sorry about that..
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06-21-2009 20:03
From: someone Originally Posted by Lias Leandros Not once has anyone taken that agenda and went ot a predominantly child avatar area to plan some sort of framed AR attack.
Yes, that's just malicious, it's a malicious thing to do in any zone.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 20:04
From: Jannae Karas I really don't know where you got this idea. As a test, go to any mature sim that has a Linden road or whatever. stand on the Governor's parcel and click on about land,then come back and tell us what you obseved about the parcel rating.
Otherwise, just drop it, as you clearly are laboring under the burden of an amazing amount of mis-information. Ok I tested your theory. I went to my land and teh road in a Mature sim, in a PG sim and a parcel in Zindra and the road in Zindra. And I must say that you are completely wrong. The road in the PG sim was PG, The road in the mature sim was Mature and the road in Zindra was marked Adult. I do have the latest SL viewer so maybe you aren't seeing it yet. And the infohub ion Zindra is marked adult also. So Zindra Linden Land is marked Adult and that will not change. So when I stand n a road in Zindra doing adult rated things and a child avatar walks up - they should leave because I am in a adult area designated by Linden Lab. There is no reason for child avatars to be in Adult Designated Linden Land. ,
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Marianne McCann
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06-21-2009 20:04
From: Ceka Cianci OOPS!!! i'm sorry for not making that clear also Marianne  it was not Marianne it was a boy avatar.. again sorry about that.. No worries. Given the sheer number of accusations aimed at me over the last few days, i just wanted to make it clear. 
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06-21-2009 20:10
From: Marianne McCann No worries. Given the sheer number of accusations aimed at me over the last few days, i just wanted to make it clear.  i know a few of them and i have to say it really made me angry to hear them.. all i can say is they should be ashamed to stoop like that..
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 20:10
From: Marianne McCann As an aside, I have seen this happen in the past, including people attempting to disrupt things at HardKnock Elementary and other kid-friendly locations as well as trying to get child avatars to follow them to locations where the kid would be in proximity to sexual devices. There have also been incidents where avatars have left sexual devices in child-friendly sim in order to AR the locations. If you are aware of the witch hunt for child avatars why would any of you willingly skip into the witches continent wearing a child avatar? And why would any of you rally for the right to parade around the Adult Rated continent Zindra in a child avatar? It all seems so foolhearty. .
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06-21-2009 20:12
From: Lias Leandros And the infohub ion Zindra is marked adult also. So Zindra Linden Land is marked Adult and that will not change. As a related aside (which I alluded to a bit ago), I did not this... QUOTE="https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010"]In addition to the guidelines established in the Community Standards, the following guidelines apply in the Welcome Areas, and Help Island, where newcomers are just getting started: No shooting, blood or violence. No buying, selling, advertising, begging, or recruiting. No sex, nudity, or offensive language. No annoying, repetitive, or adult sounds. Items 3 and 4 apply regardless of the local region's maturity rating.[/QUOTE] So it would seem there is a difference between the Info Hubs (which are on Adult parcels in Zindra) and other locations. I could *not* find anything indicating the maturity rating on other Linden-owned parcels, and would therefore assume them to be the same as the region unless otherwise indicated.
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06-21-2009 20:13
From: Lias Leandros If you are aware of the witch hunt for child avatars why would any of you willingly skip into the witches continent wearing a child avatar? And why would any of you rally for the right to parade around the Adult Rated continent Zindra in a child avatar? It all seems so foolhearty. . Because bigotry shouldn't be supported.
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06-21-2009 20:14
From: Lias Leandros Is this some veiled crack about colonizing America? You are waaay of topic. . /me rolls eyes and laughs. Um, yeah, it was about colonising America. That's it. Lol
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06-21-2009 20:17
From: Marianne McCann I would actually be curious about this. What do you see about parcel ratings, say in the following regions:
Clementina (Governor's Mansion) A random Bay City or Nautilus City road Mosh (Port of Kama City building) A random Zindra road
Do they say anything? To be honest, I've not found anyting beyond notes about Welcome Areas/Info Hubs on the Wiki that relate to this I kind of expect that the "contained within private land" restriction that currently applies (on paper, anyway) to mature regions will find its way into the updated community standards when adult land is added to them. And I also kind of expect that it will cause loads more drama when the confusion between "private land" and "private homes" kicks in.
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06-21-2009 20:20
From: Lias Leandros And why would any of you rally for the right to parade around the Adult Rated continent Zindra in a child avatar? It all seems so foolhearty. Let me clear this up a little, I'm in favor of any resident to go to any parcel that's content appropriate. It's a personal freedom thing. Parade around anywhere on Zindra? No. Child avatars certainly won't have any business in a lot of sims I know will be moving to Zindra. But in regions without such content, it's no more of a problem than in the same regions that are currently marked Mature.
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-21-2009 20:21
Lias - do you not understand that the Zindra continent is the same as what is currently marked mature?
What is new about all of this, for you, that you're so wound up?
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06-21-2009 20:24
lol 68 pages overhere, filled with drama, 59 pages over at Xstreet which was finally locked....phew Thank god! Lias -you and Vryl Valkyrie should partner up, you're both equally neurotic over an issue that might naturally work itself under its own devices. Your dreaming up problems that don't exist!
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06-21-2009 20:24
One last time for those that do not know that a type of Continent is not the rating That the sims content sets the sim rating under the CURRENT RULES.. Since NOBODY happens to own any sims yet in Zindra.Zindra is not rated.. Lets remember that if it is not rated then it is what? PG Zindra is an Adult Continent but not yet rated.. Zindra is not adult content. where can sexual activities take place? on private lands..is there any on Zindra yet?NO!!! Global Standards, Local Ratings All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG). From: Ceka Cianci This should clear up what a continent is and what a region/sim is for those still having a hard time with the definitions..
What are "Adult" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?
The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use.Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:
* Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm) * Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph * Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct
Groups, event listings and classified ads that reference these themes or content must also be designated Adult. Linden Lab will enforce these rules. However, we can't monitor all ephemeral content and conduct within Second Life. We will therefore rely on several factors in implementing these Adult designation requirements:
1. First and foremost, Regions, groups, and event or classified ad listings that employ search tags plainly suggestive of adult behavior or content will require the respective Adult designation, and not be viewable to Residents who are not account verified. 2. Second, we will conduct proactive monitoring and rely on abuse reports that identify adult content or conduct that is promoted or advertised publicly. Where adult content or conduct on a Region is publicly advertised or promoted, that Region must be designated as Adult (or such content must be removed). We will re-designate such Regions if adult content is not removed. 3. We may take into account whether apparent or reported adult content or conduct on a particular Region serves only an extremely limited or passive function, or an important educational or cultural function, and therefore would be appropriate for all Second Life audiences. 4. As with all reported activity in violation of our policies, we will actively review all reports of adult conduct and provide Residents with a channel for rebuttal.
In the FAQs below, we offer examples as to what types of Regions are and are not considered adult, based on, for example, distinctions between "public" and "private" content, as well as distinctions between content that is "expressly sexually themed" and content that is not.
Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent" -- a "mainland" alternative where adult content and activities can be located and found by Residents. Landowners wishing to host adult activities or make available adult content can either
* Locate on this Adult Continent * Locate on a Region that has been designated by its owner as Adult
Region owners are responsible for designating a Region's maturity level. Occupants of Regions will be expected to locate in a Region suitable to each occupant's content and conduct.
if it doesn't stick this time well then it never will
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 20:25
From: Argent Stonecutter Bulls---. This "incident" occurred because P- N- is an evil minded old B---, and you've got a bug in your a-- about kid toons. Just like the last "incident" you tried to turn into a crusade over something nobody would think twice about in RL. Argent the OP tried to explain this to you a few pages back. When you get frustrated and just post a slew of insults your not participating in the discussion. Try t watch out for that.
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06-21-2009 20:28
From: Ceka Cianci if it doesn't stick this time well then it never will
It never will. Arguing logic to the hysterical hypervigilant is an exercise in frustration.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 20:31
From: Ceka Cianci One last time for those that do not know that a type of Continent is not the rating That the sims content sets the sim rating under the CURRENT RULES.. No, I could never have mature content in a PG mainland sim in the past. And now I cannot have Adult content in a Mature rated sim. So the sim rating takes precedence over what content you want there. From: someone Since NOBODY happens to own any sims yet in Zindra.Zindra is not rated.. I just checked - its rated Adult - drop by and check for yourself. From: someone Lets remember that if it is not rated then it is what? PG Its Rated - I checked! From: someone Zindra is an Adult Continent but not yet rated.. Zindra is not adult content. The color red is blue...Red is blueeee (check the ABOUT LAND in Zindra - clearly marked ADULT everywhere) From: someone where can sexual activities take place? on private lands..is there any on Zindra yet?NO!!! Tell that to the hermaphrodite getting it on on then infohub in Zindra From: someone if it doesn't stick this time well then it never will
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06-21-2009 20:39
From: Lias Leandros Argent the OP tried to explain this to you a few pages back. When you get frustrated and just post a slew of insults your not participating in the discussion. Try t watch out for that. There won't be a discussion here until you quit making stuff up and repeating lies, so what's the point?
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 20:39
From: Rene Erlanger lol 68 pages overhere, filled with drama, 59 pages over at Xstreet which was finally locked....phew Thank god! Lias -you and Vryl Valkyrie should partner up, you're both equally neurotic over an issue that might naturally work itself under its own devices. Your dreaming up problems that don't exist!. Hi Rene. You posted up to the lock in xstreet. Don't disclaim your involvement. And here you are again. Is this a public service announcement or are you diving back in? If so - you can stop throwing outt he personal attacks and get to the subject at hand. Thanks. .
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06-21-2009 20:41
From: Argent Stonecutter There won't be a discussion here until you quit making stuff up and repeating lies, so what's the point? Ok, I'll seeya around.
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06-21-2009 20:42
I wonder if all those sculpty trees are the reason why parts of Zindra is so laggy?....god knows hows it going be like when its full of assets. I'm having a tough time flying around.
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06-21-2009 20:42
Just seems like an attention getting ploy that's gone on for pages and pages on end. What the purpose is, I have no idea.
Lias, Scylla et al have a way of completely ignoring any points made and continuing their filibuster as if no one had said a word. Might as well talk about knitting.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 20:46
From: Har Fairweather There are some very sick people carrying on about this subject, and they are not the ones with the child avatars... That's why Adult Content has been moved Har. And the carrying on is an attempt to discuss the TOS around this place and get some clarification about these child avatars in an Adult Continent. .
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06-21-2009 20:47
From: Lias Leandros Hi Rene. You posted up to the lock in xstreet. Don't disclaim your involvement. And here you are again. Is this a public service announcement or are you diving back in? If so - you can stop throwing outt he personal attacks and get to the subject at hand. Thanks. . That's correct. I took part in that thread right up to end...to counter the lies Vryl was spreading,...particularly surrounding 2 child Avies , 1 of which is regular on RA. I don't intend participating in here though  ......I already read your nonsense over there. 
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