So why are kids on Zindra?
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:17
From: Moesha Yakubu why would someone go as a child av to a sim when invited by LL? because well, they probably didn't know that accepting said invite would cause such a rukus. and probably because there was NO ADULT CONTENT TO SPEAK OF ANYWHERE ON SAID SIM. This is where that Common Sense comes in - the child avatar saw the nude woman - and yet he still thought he was an invited guest and everything was cool so he stayed. Amazing From: someone it was an open house pretty much like the bay city(?) sim open house where residents can come and check it out, explore, and maybe for a few, pick out their spots for future purchase. NO WHERE IN THE BLOG REPORT DID IT IMPLY THAT CERTAIN AVATARS WERE NOT WELCOME TO COME. The word ADULT CONTINENT didn't raise a red flag for them? That's a fail then. And Linden Lab needs to fix the fail before it happens again. I can see some master with slaves having child avatar children living with him in Zindra and under the current fail - its ok. From: someone now that i have answered your post Lias, how about you show the same courtesy to others. People have to be courteous to expect courtesy.
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 23:18
From: Lias Leandros Obviously LL will - they have nothing in the TOS to stop it. And a AR is not what is the problem. It is the pictures that went outside SL that caused this - and will cause more in the very near future if LL does not plug the loophole. LL ineterprets TOS any way they like. Don't bet your account on what you want to believe that they mean. LL is strictly pg, and in the end that trumps all.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:21
From: Milla Janick If people had known the anti-child avatar brigade was going to twist it around for propaganda purposes, they'd probably have thought twice about it. Hindsight is 20/20 vision.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:23
From: Jannae Karas LL ineterprets TOS any way they like. Don't bet your account on what you want to believe that they mean. LL is strictly pg, and in the end that trumps all. The picture taker was not reprimanded - and will not be reprimanded. Linden Lab does not own the internet. All LL will be able to do is damage control.
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 23:25
BTW, Lias is such an obvious troll. Don't know why I have wasted the time here. The child avi issue is one that deserves serious discussion, but I am not seeing it here.
My support to Marianne and those that choose child avis for innocent roleplay.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:25
From: Daniel Regenbogen It was one for a few days, died down within days or weeks after people started to do their own research about a) SL and b) the "journalistic" methods behind the article. You would think that - if this really was such a big and wide spread problem - in those 2 years since this story there would have been a constant coming of followup stories. And law suits, I mean, they had a public prosecutor on the show! But ... nothing. A public prosecutor was assigned to Craiglist. And craiglist buckled and made the changes demanded. That is what these public officials do - give you a deal you cannot refuse. Any prosecutor armed with Zindra child avatar and adult content pictures would feel compelled to have a talk with Linden Lab.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:30
From: Jannae Karas BTW, Lias is such an obvious troll. Don't know why I have wasted the time here. The child avi issue is one that deserves serious discussion, but I am not seeing it here. Awww, well I ask questions pertaining child Avis in Zindra and some of us are discussing it civilly. Some get frustrated like you are now and start calling names. Such is the hazard of public forums. From: someone My support to Marianne and those that choose child avis for innocent roleplay. Yes and be extra careful because of the new Adult Sim label will be a red flag for you to be aware of your surroundings. And you should not be there in a child avatar anyway.
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 23:31
From: Lias Leandros The picture taker was not reprimanded - and will not be reprimanded. Linden Lab does not own the internet. All LL will be able to do is damage control. No clue as to wtf you mean. Perhaps because English is not your first pic. Anyways you are so caught up in this that one has to wonder why. Going to ditch this thread. No point in continuing. Enjoy the kinda' strange reality that seems to be your mind. IBTL Jannae
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-21-2009 23:35
From: Lias Leandros This is where that Common Sense comes in - the child avatar saw the nude woman - and yet he still thought he was an invited guest and everything was cool so he stayed. Amazing as you have been told repeatedly, that incident happened after the fact, and the child avatar had nothing to do with what the "adult" avatar decided to do because the child av was there. go back and read the post regarding the incident. in case you want to know where it is, ill even post the link for you: /327/29/326070/41.html top post. From: someone The word ADULT CONTINENT didn't raise a red flag for them? That's a fail then. And Linden Lab needs to fix the fail before it happens again. again and with feeling this time: THERE WAS NO "ADULT CONTENT" TO BE FOUND. it was an open house, plain and simple. you seem to refuse to grasp that particular concept. From: someone I can see some master with slaves having child avatar children living with him in Zindra and under the current fail - its ok. funny, the gorean/bdsm community(as far as i know) don't allow child avs on their PRIVATELY OWNED sims. From: someone People have to be courteous to expect courtesy. many of those who have asked you to clarify yourself have been courteous. you just refuse to see it.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:38
From: Jannae Karas No clue as to wtf you mean. Perhaps because English is not your first pic. You people get so frustrated and just say anything. Insulting people that speak a language. other than English does not make any sense. From: someone Anyways you are so caught up in this that one has to wonder why. As I wonder why your so caught up in pretending to be a small child that is angry that someone says its not cool that they go into Adult labeled sims wearing a child avatar. From: someone Going to ditch this thread. No point in continuing. Enjoy the kinda' strange reality that seems to be your mind. IBTL Jannae bu bye
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 23:39
From: Moesha Yakubu as you have been told repeatedly, that incident happened after the fact, and the child avatar had nothing to do with what the "adult" avatar decided to do because the child av was there. go back and read the post regarding the incident. in case you want to know where it is, ill even post the link for you: /327/29/326070/41.html top post. again and with feeling this time: THERE WAS NO "ADULT CONTENT" TO BE FOUND. it was an open house, plain and simple. you seem to refuse to grasp that particular concept. funny, the gorean/bdsm community(as far as i know) don't allow child avs on their PRIVATELY OWNED sims. many of those who have asked you to clarify yourself have been courteous. you just refuse to see it. For God's sake, he is a troll. I was sucked in as well. let's ditch this place.
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-21-2009 23:41
From: Jannae Karas For God's sake, he is a troll. I was sucked in as well. let's ditch this place. ditching.....and showering. night
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:42
From: Moesha Yakubu again and with feeling this time: THERE WAS NO "ADULT CONTENT" TO BE FOUND. it was an open house, plain and simple. you seem to refuse to grasp that particular concept.
The adult content were the nude people.The invite had the word adult in it. From: someone funny, the gorean/bdsm community(as far as i know) don't allow child avs on their PRIVATELY OWNED sims. Well all that is about to change in Zindra, now isn't it?
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Feral Mistwalker
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06-21-2009 23:45
From: Jannae Karas For God's sake, he is a troll. I was sucked in as well. let's ditch this place. Out of here too, Lies can keep this as "her" private rant thread.
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 23:49
From: Feral Mistwalker Out of here too, Lies can keep this as "her" private rant thread. Sorry, I got "her" sex wrong : >
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:49
From: Moesha Yakubu as you have been told repeatedly, that incident happened after the fact, and the child avatar had nothing to do with what the "adult" avatar decided to do because the child av was there. go back and read the post regarding the incident. in case you want to know where it is, ill even post the link for you: /327/29/326070/41.html top post. This child avatar admits: "The nude woman was for sure provocating and as I see now, it was a well thought trap. Thats just cheap. Btw. is nudity not equal to sexuality, so there wasnt any sexual thing but a nude woman (along 40 dressed avatars). So whats odd then?" "I could have used a adult or similar avatar thing, maybe a child-prim ... I just was to lazy to change and to seek afterwards all my stuff together since I dont use outfits in folders." ______________________________ Incidents like this is Adult Zindra will not end well.
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 23:56
Checked Lias inworld. Same person behind the asinine attacks on the Bear infohub. Perhaps the greatest troll in our short and illustrious history.
Give it up. She can't be beat (unless you walk away.)
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-21-2009 23:56
From: Lias Leandros Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar? As I understand it, Marianne ageplays 100% of the time, she does it to a T, and this has made her name something of a word in SL so it would be unreasonable to expect her to turn up as anything other than her usual twelve-year-old av. Her invitation to the opening was, I am sure, designed to make the point that many residents including myself just don't get, which is that the new 'Adult' continent does not necessarily mean wall-to-wall triple-X shenanigans and there is no reason why we should not carry on as more or less as usual. The trouble with this understanding is that some are unhappy that they must make the unnecessary move to Zindra because their choice of living in a tolerant 'Mature' environment no longer holds water. Some, like myself, are equally unhappy that the very tricky question of proximity between ageplayers and sexplayers and the potential repercussions in RL has not been satisfactorily addressed. The new continent appears to be little more than a palliative to corporate sensibilities at best, which I do not personally begrudge the Lindens, but it would have been useful to include a mechanism for keeping ageplayers and the more overt sexual content well apart. If content isn't suitable to be viewed by Joe Soap from Coca-Cola, it is not suitable to have an ageplayer anywhere in the vicinity. I don't see why the 'Mature' rating should not be sufficient to the needs of sincere ageplayers who do not see their role as being limited to the squeaky clean ambience of a production by Walt Disney or the Children's Film Foundation.
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Marianne McCann
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06-22-2009 00:06
From: Ephraim Kappler As I understand it, Marianne ageplays 100% of the time, she does it to a T, and this has made her name something of a word in SL so it would be unreasonable to expect her to turn up as anything other than her usual twelve-year-old av. Six anna half... almost seven! (And again, lets be clear here that we are not talking "ageplay" in the SL parlance, but the more traditional meaning of the term)
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 00:06
From: Ephraim Kappler As I understand it, Marianne ageplays 100% of the time, she does it to a T, and this has made her name something of a word in SL so it would be unreasonable to expect her to turn up as anything other than her usual twelve-year-old av. Then I would expect her to say "I cannot come to your party, my mommie won't let me" From: someone Her invitation to the opening was, I am sure, designed to make the point that many residents including myself just don't get, which is that the new 'Adult' continent does not necessarily mean wall-to-wall triple-X shenanigans and there is no reason why we should not carry on as more or less as usual. Well this is a odd way to get that point across. From: someone The trouble with this understanding is that some are unhappy that they must make the unnecessary move to Zindra because their choice of living in a tolerant 'Mature' environment no longer holds water. Some, like myself, are equally unhappy that the very tricky question of proximity between ageplayers and sexplayers and the potential repercussions in RL has not been satisfactorily addressed.
The new continent appears to be little more than a palliative to corporate sensibilities at best, which I do not personally begrudge the Lindens, but it would have been useful to include a mechanism for keeping ageplayers and the more overt sexual content well apart.
If content isn't suitable to be viewed by Joe Soap from Coca-Cola, it is not suitable to have an ageplayer anywhere in the vicinity. I don't see why the 'Mature' rating should not be sufficient to the needs of sincere ageplayers who do not see their role as being limited to the squeaky clean ambience of a production by Walt Disney or the Children's Film Foundation. Agreed. Hopefully someone from Linden Lab will be brave enough to address this issue soon and offer some clarifications.
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-22-2009 00:27
From: Lias Leandros Well this is a odd way to get that point across. What is odd about it?
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 00:44
From: Ephraim Kappler What is odd about it? Well maybe not odd to Linden Lab, I assume they did not expect outrage - but people have reached their breaking point -especially having to give up their land and having to deal with an ineffective TOS. Scandal in Zindra will not be good for any of us. We need Linden Lab to protect the Adult Content providers from being caught up in these child avatar scandals.
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06-22-2009 00:59
From: Clarissa Lowell Lias, Scylla et al have a way of completely ignoring any points made and continuing their filibuster as if no one had said a word. Might as well talk about knitting. Woah! Thanks Clarissa. Is this the same woman who gave me hell for personal attacks? I've said my piece on this subject, and been quiet since. I thought what I had to say was reasonable. I certainly did not attack you, personally or otherwise. If you have an issue with what I said, perhaps you might consider addressing it, instead of simply smearing me by association?
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06-22-2009 01:06
From: Ian Nider Unfortunately they are seemingly very proudly threatening innocent peoples accounts and rights and probably really need a full account ban themselves. "They"? Ian, I thought I made it clear in a previous post that I wouldn't consider "ambushing" someone with an AR? I ALSO thought I made it clear that I wouldn't support a ban on child avs in Zindra. What I suggested was the child avs should behave responsibly. And that is unreasonable because . . . ? I am growing very very tired of being misrepresented. As for the suggestion that my account should be banned . . . you would justify this, on the basis of what I have actually SAID here, how?
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06-22-2009 01:08
From: Marianne McCann Six anna half... almost seven! 'Pologies.
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