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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
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06-22-2009 09:14
Feh, some people are probably ignoring you out of some insane need to ignore facts. So far, ALL my comment posts on a certain agenda-ish blog get deleted simply because I'm offering facts with references that can't be argued against. (^_^) Darn those factual references. You'd think I was actually trying to find out the truth of the matter. (^_^)y _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
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06-22-2009 09:14
Anyway, I am off for a chai tea. Enjoy. I think I need something stronger . . .  _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
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Angel Leviathan
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Join date: 1 May 2003
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06-22-2009 09:15
Wrong. Here are some real world examples of depictions of underage sexuality available in U.S. retail stores right now: Yubisaki Milk Tea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yubisaki_Milk_Tea Revolves almost completely around teen characters, one in particular still in jrHigh. All are dealing with a lot of sexual tension, get themselves quite involved. The Manga is rife with nude scenes. To top it off, the jrHigh girl dreams of growing larger breasts (usually graphically depicted) in order to replace her mother and please her father. ... I'm up to Volume7 so far. (^_^) Chobits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobits One of the main characters, Chii, is described as depicting a 16 year old girl... Is infrequently nude... And is depicted at imitating poses as seen in porn videos and magazines. Eventually, she gets tricked into modelling for a live webcam strip feed and only quit when masturbation was suggested. ... I have the DVD set, Manga both from U.S. and Japan, wall scrolls, figures, posters... Ah, stuff it all... It's my favorite series. =^-^= Saikano: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saikano Teens again... Still in school. Since they're facing the end of the world, they tend to have no problem having sex here and there, both orally and.. well.. you know. Great story though... Many scenes brought me to tears and the ending left me in a funk for weeks. (>_< Pretty Baby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Baby_(film) Violet, pretty much the main character of the story, is a 12 year old growing up in a 1917 brothel. She’s pretty much involved in all the operations of the house and is in scenes involving sex, loading an opium pipe, and gets her virginity auctioned off for her 13th birthday. Mind you, here character was portrayed by the then 12 year old Brooke Shields. (^_^) Lolita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita .... Heh... ‘nuff said. (^_^) So, when referencing local policy in Linden Lab's Second Life. Realize that it is not indicative of any actual legal issues in the U.S. Otherwise, Barnes&Noble, Waldenbooks, and Amazon.com is surely due for state and federal prosecution for distributing the books and movies I've mentioned above. (^_^)y http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/ "The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”" |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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06-22-2009 09:18
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/ "The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”" Two different circuits have made decisions that oppose each other in this area. It will need to go to the Supreme Court for a final verdict. Then you can say it is the law of the land. _____________________
I'm going to pick a fight
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spinster Voom
Registered User
Join date: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,069
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06-22-2009 09:18
How do you feel about BDSM? I don't like it, and I wish people didn't do it. That does NOT mean that I would ban it. I don't attack things merely because I disapprove or find them distasteful. That said, my response to BDSM would depend rather on what particular activities it involved. There are many different flavours of BDSM, and they range from the mildly submissive, to the violent. I don't like any of it, personally, but my only objections to (PUBLIC) depictions have always been to violence. And the reason I don't like depictions of violence is because violence is always implicitly about silencing someone. And, just to reiterate something I've said many times before, I am not criticizing BDSM because I don't think it is consensual (although, I do think "consent" is more problematic than people tend to acknowledge). My critique is about the DEPICTION of the act, not what may or may not be happening between the two people directly involved. hey you two, stop it! This is the undignified-bunfight-about-kid-avs-on-Zindra thread, not the undignified-bunfight-about-BDSM thread  |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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06-22-2009 09:19
"The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”" The PROTECT act does not, however, outlaw computer generated images unless those images are indistinguishable from an actual minor to a typical viewer. _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
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RockAndRoll Michigan
Registered User
Join date: 23 Mar 2009
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06-22-2009 09:21
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/ "The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”" CHARGED. Not convicted. Very major difference. That means they were acccused of wrongdoing. I can accuse you of wrongdoing too and that doesn't make you guilty any more than it made this office worker guilty of a crime. |
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
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06-22-2009 09:22
hey you two, stop it! This is the undignified-bunfight-about-kid-avs-on-Zindra thread, not the undignified-bunfight-about-BDSM thread HE started it!!!!!  _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
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Angel Leviathan
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Join date: 1 May 2003
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06-22-2009 09:23
If you're going to get legalistic: The PROTECT act does not, however, outlaw computer generated images unless those images are indistinguishable from an actual minor to a typical viewer. Oh yeah I shouldn't bring any talk if the law into this thread about child pornography. I really fail to see how manga is much different than SL child toon sex. I doubt mom and pop juror could either. |
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Angel Leviathan
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06-22-2009 09:25
CHARGED. Not convicted. Very major difference. That means they were acccused of wrongdoing. I can accuse you of wrongdoing too and that doesn't make you guilty any more than it made this office worker guilty of a crime. He plead guilty! |
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Moesha Yakubu
Neko in Trainin
Join date: 5 Dec 2008
Posts: 168
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06-22-2009 09:26
Oh yeah I shouldn't bring any talk if the law into this thread about child pornography. I really fail to see how manga is much different than SL child toon sex. I doubt mom and pop juror could either. oh please do bring the law into it. it only underlines the facts. |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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06-22-2009 09:30
I really fail to see how manga is much different than SL child toon sex. I doubt mom and pop juror could either. _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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06-22-2009 09:31
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/ "The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”" ^^ That's debatable for life. (=_=) Regardless... My examples are depictions of fantasy and literary tradition. Yours is a single event about a person documenting his own intention to rape a child. Surely, Uncle Lumpylap crossed that “I’m going to kill the president” line for some people. But, obviously not all since multiple courts disagree on the ruling. (=_=) In my opinion, to truly convict this guy of anything; they have to find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that his writings were based on intent to actually involve a real child. Otherwise, the whole case is nothing more than thought policing and bolstering the chilling effect upon written media. (=_=) Fantasy | Reality ^^ Find the line. (^_^)y _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
Join date: 2 Jan 2008
Posts: 3,075
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06-22-2009 09:32
Oh yeah I shouldn't bring any talk if the law into this thread about child pornography. The thread is not about child pornography. It's about the banning of child avatars from non-sexual situations in Adult rated regions. _____________________
 http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... |
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Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
Posts: 1,011
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06-22-2009 09:44
hey you two, stop it! This is the undignified-bunfight-about-kid-avs-on-Zindra thread, not the undignified-bunfight-about-BDSM thread All these "bunfights" are about censorship, I don't care whose SL thing it's over. _____________________
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Riseon Kosten
*Rizzy*
Join date: 27 Apr 2008
Posts: 305
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06-22-2009 09:44
/me adds Immy to her hero list.
Now I just need to find a way to incorporate Pep's biting sarcasm and Immy's anime emoticons as I'm supposedly alts of both.... (@_@) _____________________
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Proxima Saenz
Registered User
Join date: 22 Jun 2008
Posts: 107
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06-22-2009 09:47
Ok these messages piss me off.
Its for the PG whiners that LL had to create Zindra in the first place! Secondly, there are NO kids on Zaindra, just AVATARS bloody PIXELS controlled by an ADULT behind a stupid computer screen, got it? yes...? Great! Then, SL is a place for EVERBODY, in SL you can be something you cannot be in RL. Furry, neko, wolf, angel, demon, cartoon, dementor, kid, adult, grandpa etc etc etc. So don't restrict VERIFIED members. (they ARE verified because they CAN enter zindra.) Last but not least. NOT everybody that visits Zindra is into kids Angel Leviathan. If you assume that you really have a wrong idea about what people want and do in SecondLife. Just wanted to make that very clear, to all of the people that are against child AVATARS. Ok? |
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
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06-22-2009 10:22
Ok these messages piss me off. Its for the PG whiners that LL had to create Zindra in the first place! And it's the adult content whiners doing their best to get it closed down before it even opens its doors. |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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06-22-2009 10:22
All these "bunfights" are about censorship, I don't care whose SL thing it's over.  _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
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Ceka Cianci
SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc#
Join date: 31 Jul 2006
Posts: 4,489
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06-22-2009 10:33
Hey! No censoring my buns! it's about time you put up a ferret picture ..thats whats been missing lol _____________________
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Moesha Yakubu
Neko in Trainin
Join date: 5 Dec 2008
Posts: 168
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06-22-2009 10:37
Hey! No censoring my buns! does that mean lunch is served? /me hungreee kitteeee!! =^. .^= |
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Lias Leandros
mainlander
Join date: 20 Jul 2005
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06-22-2009 10:43
Really... The LL Gteam is not policing the grid per-se. They're responding to ARs. Wanna have some fun? Next time a nakie dance party spawns in a hub, merge it with an AR party and see who lasts. (^_^) This is a unprecedented to tell thousands of customers to cooperatively participate in such a move. To have Linden owned land in Zindra labeled Adult and then attempt to enforce PG standards on that same land is not going to make for a smooth, reasonable transition for Linden Lab or the Adult Content community. Child avatars knowingly coming to these areas whenever they please, and then ARing the Adults there will add to the 'what were they thinking' internet fodder. _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc#
Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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06-22-2009 10:50
they were probably having some laughs and ARing was probably the last thing on anyones mind..it was a party.
why be a party pooper lol _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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06-22-2009 10:52
That child avatar at the Zindra opening should have AR'd the naked woman and the penis avatar and stayed and enjoyed himself. The penis avatar was probably not there long enough to AR, since it wasn't long enough for me to even see it and I'm in the middle of the shot! _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
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Angel Leviathan
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Join date: 1 May 2003
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06-22-2009 10:52
The thread is not about child pornography. It's about the banning of child avatars from non-sexual situations in Adult rated regions. Due to the fact that child avatars can easily be exploited for the use of creating child pornography. |
