So why are kids on Zindra?

Agreed. There are LOTS of things I don't agree with Scylla about, but I don't see her being anything other than reasonable in this thread...

Maybe it is time to rutn things around and make places like living tree, clowntown and funky town child av only, no adult avs alowed, they are private sims so it is already posible.

Or we can just create our own new private continent with this rule, there is nothing stopping us besides the money.

just maybe the sex players that do not want anything but sex on thier sims can do the same and start their own privtae continent just for sex

zindra is not was not intended and never will be just for sex, it is for extreme content but other content can be found there in the future as wel (there is no content yet) if a scyfi child av wants to blast someone to bits in a bloody way they would have to do so on zindra or private adult sim, after the changeover it won't be alowed on mature sims anymore.

I find it outrageous that some would endorse a continent that 'is for extreme content' but will have child avatar content on it also. Very strange. There is absolutely no reason to do this.
That is why they were supplied with a adult avatar when they started Second Life.

child avatars are alowed in extreme content as long as it is not sexual, is that realy that hard to understand?

Bolocks, no where is there any ruling that a child avatar is not alowed in violent situations, there is only one restriction on child avatars and that is regarding sex, you might not like it but those are the rules and it's not likely to change.Nobody is going to stop me from blasting someone to tiny bits with my holy handgranate as long as I do it in a parcel that is intended for combat

Fair enough on the AR side of it.

I've about had it with this thread, but this exchange could be dangerously misleading to anyone who comes into this "green."
Lias, you know better than this. LL's rules have always been PG for all Linden land including that on Mature sims. Always. Mature content and behavior was always permitted only when on landowner parcels. We were never permitted to walk Linden Mature roads in the nude (nor to swear there). It's stated clearly in the CS:
Granted, this was never all that rigorously enforced, and so it's hardly surprising no G-Team patrol swooped down to reprimand anybody, but anybody naked on Linden land *was* in clear violation of the CS, and thereby subject to account termination under the ToS.

Unless for some reason LL chooses to revise its policy about its own land, people should not be tempting the fate of their accounts by going naked on Linden land, whether or not it's an infohub (where it's explicitly prohibited on-site).

Sure there is: it's a whole *continent*, not a sex dungeon from sea to shining sea.

Those who want the joy of banning child avatars are free to do so on their own parcels and private sims wherever they choose.

Those who suppose the larger media will once again take a sufficient interest in Second Life to report *anything* here should not falsely assume that what LL does on this subject could influence what trash will be reported by trashy reporters.

What are you talking about? The infohub at Zindra hosts a naked dance party every night. There were nude people at the continent opening while Lindens were there. I think there is a disconnect here that needs to be cleared up.
Linden Lab should not supply fodder for the media by celebrating what they call an Adult Content Continent with child avatars in attendance. No one likes to be associated with a service provider that has child porn scandals swirling around the internet. Linden Lab can fix this problem if they wanted to.

Whether or not there's a naked party every night at Zindra infohubs, the fact remains there are large signs on the walls at those very infohubs which prohibit nudity.

In my eyes, Linden Lab should not supply fodder for the media by creating and celebrating a special "adult stuff allowed mainland continent" at all. The whole thing will sparkle the public opinion again to "see, I knew it all the time, this Second Life is all about sex and smut, now they even provide them with their own giant continent". How much smarter would it have been if they had installed a PG only continent and leave the rest of SL as it was. This would have provided all those who LL is reaching for (companies, educational institutions and so on) with their totally clean world within the world - and instead of being a PR disaster it would have been a PR coup.

What media? Using Google to search "Zindra SL" I got nothing but resident blogs for the first 3 pages. The first non SL connected hit was still a gaming site.

Googling "Second Life"............nothing about a kiddie sex scandal.

Googling "Second Life Child porn" brings up European news stories from 2-3 years ago.

I watch the national news every evening, never saw a mention of Second Life at all in the past two weeks. (really going back several months)

So, I ask again.........WHAT media storm?

There has been absolutely no enforcement of this at all.
This does not negate the the concerns about the way this Adult Continent will work. Child avatars allowed to have content meant for child avatars next to Adult Content parcels.

We would like LL, for once, to be sincere when they say they are attempting to assist their customers. Endorsing a vague TOS that endorses the mixing of child avatars and Adult Content providers is a set up to have Zindra ail for Adult Content Providers.

No Chris not YET. The outrage this time was just in Second Life. Once we populate Zindra is a different story.

I thought I just did.

And spinster: who said my comment was only referring to this one discussion? Or haven't you noticed Lias carries a quote from Scylla in her sigline as well. If you think this filibuster is anything less than a concerted effort by one group (continuing from the "zomg poseballs" thread), you are in my opinion being naive. Note the identical tactics of carrying on and on and on about some blog half of us never heard of, as if it's CNN, for starters.

And the endless thirst for attention/drama, at the expense of the issue itself. It's like someone cloned them.

Agreed. And your statement "now they even provide them with their own giant continent" is exactly how Linden Land sold it to everyone. Bait and switch - the joke is on us. And probably Linden Lab itself this time.

Clarissa, 3 or 4 people agree on a point so they are each others alt or they have been having clandestine meetings to further their diabolical agenda. Take it easy.
Don't you see over 20 people agreeing with YOUR viewpoint? Are these your cousins? See how crazy that sounds?It is much more productive to focus on the OP's inquiry than trying to figure out every poster's agenda.

Lias, way to sidestep the point yet again. Or do you even recognise when someone makes one?

And I'm sorry but when did I say "alt"? Let alone "clandestine meetings"? Just keep that drama pot a-boilin'. Maybe you can stretch this one-sided "discussion" out another umpteen pages.

Also you are confusing "viewpoint" with "iterating current Linden Lab rules." But why do I bother? We could all read you the phone book and you'd carry on. Go on ahead Carrie Nation...you were saying?

I don't think the issue of whether kid avs should visit Zindra or not is at all the same as the issue of whether hardcore BDSM content should be allowed on mature (or adult) land. Just because two people agree on one issue doesn't mean they agree on everything. It's quite obvious to me that Lias and Scylla don't agree on this issue.

BTW, if anybody comes across a VW Beetle convertible under the sea to the west of Zindra, please could they send me a LM. (crap roads! grrrr!)

Yep, right around here. Every time you make stuff up and repeat lies I'll call you on it, until you stop pretending I didn't see your bullshit or you didn't see my response.

does it justify child avatars going into adult rated sims with content and activities they are not allowed around? no

nobody was defending that..only the places any things they are allowed to go..if they go where they are not supposed to be then they deserve the AR..

If you want clarification from the Lindens you need to go to Blondin's office hours. You're wasting your time looking for a different answer than what you've already got here.

I leave this alone for a day and it grows at a rate best attributable to a steroid injection .....

I'm not even going to bother reading all of the new material here as it would just be a waste of time.

Between some posters being obtuse just so they can argue their agenda and finding out that some users are flagrantly breaching the ToS by advocating false ARs ....

I am rather disgusted at this point.

This entire discussion is a moot one at the moment as there is - and try to get this - NO SEXUAL CONTENT currently on Zindra. Kindly note the proper use of what this whole meaningless debate has been about ....

Adult does not mean sex.

No, Craiglists did not buckle, they filed suit against the prosecutor, and the prosecutor backed down. Please double check your facts.

Sorry, I mean "making stuff up, repeating lies, and playing transparent word-games". "Content" and "continent" are not the same word. An adult "continent" is not full of adult "content", it's merely one where you're allowed to publicly display adult "content". Kid toons aren't allowed around adult "content" itself, but you can't slide "in" into the middle and claim that means they're not allowed on the adult "continent".

Sorry, I mean "making stuff up, repeating lies, and playing transparent word-games". "Content" and "continent" are not the same word. An adult "continent" is not full of adult "content", it's merely one where you're allowed to publicly display adult "content". Kid toons aren't allowed around adult "content" itself, but you can't slide "in" into the middle and claim that means they're not allowed on the adult "continent".

Speaking of word games:
That doesn't mean "adults only", that doesn't even mean "this parcel allows adult content", that means "adult content may be advertised and publicly displayed in this region". YOU KNOW THIS. Why do you keep pretending you don't?

Yes.. it means that people need to spend more time at the infohub AR's the nude "adults" who are unable to read the sign that states NO NUDITY!