Walking past, not involving the child avatars in any inappropriate activity. So?
That scenario will never happen, so it's a moot point.
That scenario will never happen, so it's a moot point.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 21:50
Walking past, not involving the child avatars in any inappropriate activity. So? That scenario will never happen, so it's a moot point. _____________________
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 21:52
But after the adult content in these sims are in place - then I ask the OP's question - why are child avatars allowed to enter Adult Content sims? If the parcels contain actual adult content (Linden trees in a field marked "Adult" is not adult content) then child avatars have no business there. They'd be prohibited by the TOS, and likely the parcel owner. On the other hand, if the parcel is simply marked adult, but does not contain adult content that would be a TOS violation for a child avatar to be near, there's no reason to prohibit child avatars from that parcel. _____________________
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-21-2009 21:53
OK ---- then I ask the OP's question - why are child avatars allowed to enter Adult Content sims? because LL invited EVERYONE to come explore the new sim before the sales and land swaps begin on the 29th of June. that is the point you and your ilk seem to be turning a blind eye to. |
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 21:57
On the other hand, if the parcel is simply marked adult, but does not contain adult content that would not be a TOS violation for a child avatar to be near, there's no reason to prohibit child avatars from that parcel. _____________________
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Argus Collingwood
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06-21-2009 21:59
You know what could prevent it. But dare you say it? . [sarcasm] I'll say it, Ban all Adult material all over Second Life. No Sex. No Drugs, No Guns, No Kinks, No Naughty Bits. Just dump the whole concept of Virtual Freedom and Imagination. That's it, finis, over, dead parrot, so long and thanks for all the fish Game Over, Man!! No Sex, No Drugs, No Rock and Roll.[/sarcasm] _____________________
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 22:02
And it would not be a TOS violation for a Adult Content person to be there either. SO child avatars and nude women touching themselves can co-exist on Linden parcels marked Adult that have no adult products on it. It might not be a TOS violation, but the owner of the parcel may have an issue with either one. I'm betting that if someone goes into a clothing shop, strips their avatar nude and begins cartoon masturbation, they're getting thrown out, regardless of the region rating. I'm talking about non-sexual situations. A hair shop is hardly an appropriate place to begin screwing, even on Zindra. _____________________
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Ian Nider
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06-21-2009 22:02
[sarcasm] I'll say it, Ban all Adult material all over Second Life. No Sex. No Drugs, No Guns, No Kinks, No Naughty Bits. Just dump the whole concept of Virtual Freedom and Imagination. That's it, finis, over, dead parrot, so long and thanks for all the fish Game Over, Man!! No Sex, No Drugs, No Rock and Roll.[/sacrasm] hehe, funny, because all of those sex drugs and violence things that would be banned don't include the kid avs, lol. _____________________
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Argus Collingwood
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06-21-2009 22:08
hehe, funny, because all of those sex drugs and violence things that would be banned don't include the kid avs, lol. And the meek shall inherit the Grid ![]() _____________________
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:12
because LL invited EVERYONE to come explore the new sim before the sales and land swaps begin on the 29th of June. that is the point you and your ilk seem to be turning a blind eye to. They used the excuse of an open invitation. If they were aware of the invitation then they were aware of what the event was for a adult continent. If a child avatar invites me to a event I am not showing up in see-through slave silks and a gag in my mouth. I am going to assume there will be child avatars there and I would respect that and display my avatar as a PG rated avatar. Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar? Many of you have been waiting patiently for the chance to explore the new adult continent known as Zindra. In coordination with the final release of the 1.23 viewer, we are pleased to announce that the waiting is over! Today, Monday, June 15th, Zindra will be officially opened for the Residents of Second Life. _____________________
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:13
hehe, funny, because all of those sex drugs and violence things that would be banned don't include the kid avs, lol. _____________________
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:15
It might not be a TOS violation, but the owner of the parcel may have an issue with either one. I'm betting that if someone goes into a clothing shop, strips their avatar nude and begins cartoon masturbation, they're getting thrown out, regardless of the region rating. _____________________
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-21-2009 22:18
Well, I know these child avatars that are experienced in SL know how to make sure they are not in the wrong situation (as Mari pointed out). The obvious wrong situation is a party in a Adult Rated Continent. And upon seeing nude adult avatars - staying there. They used the excuse of an open invitation. If they were aware of the invitation then they were aware of what the event was for a adult continent. If a child avatar invites me to a event I am not showing up in see-through slave silks and a gag in my mouth. I am going to assume there will be child avatars there and I would respect that and display my avatar as a PG rated avatar. Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar? /me walks away shaking her head in wonder. to think you actually made it this far in life with that mindset. baffling to say the least. |
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:24
/me walks away shaking her head in wonder. to think you actually made it this far in life with that mindset. baffling to say the least. _____________________
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 22:29
No, you said a Adult Rated bit of Linden Land with just trees on it is accessible by child avatars. And also accessible by Adult Content avatars at the same time. So these folks can stand under a tree on Linden Adult land side-by-side and that's cool. No, I'm saying it's cool that neither is prohibited from accessing it. If someone wanted to get jiggy with it there, it would be in the child avatar's interest to either leave or switch avatars, as that would introduce adult content inappropriate for a child avatar to be around into the parcel. _____________________
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 22:33
I would actually be curious about this. What do you see about parcel ratings, say in the following regions: Clementina (Governor's Mansion) A random Bay City or Nautilus City road Mosh (Port of Kama City building) A random Zindra road Do they say anything? To be honest, I've not found anyting beyond notes about Welcome Areas/Info Hubs on the Wiki that relate to this My bad, on land the governor's settings match the sim's. At sea (such as Heterocera) all of the governor's land is pg. Kind of confusing. LL is of course inconsistant. My apologies, as a sailor am most familiar with protected water. _____________________
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06-21-2009 22:33
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:36
No, I'm saying it's cool that neither is prohibited from accessing it. If someone wanted to get jiggy with it there, it would be in the child avatar's interest to either leave or switch avatars, as that would introduce adult content inappropriate for a child avatar to be around into the parcel. Isn't it weird for LL to explicitly create a continent that allows such interaction? Throwing the two extremes together on a Linden Road and making it perfectly ok? Disturbing internet fodder. This will not end well. . _____________________
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:38
Okay... a flat out admission that she won't quit making stuff up and repeating lies. I'm sorry I read this thread this long but I laughed at this one so I'm done now. See ya in the other threads. _____________________
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06-21-2009 22:46
To Lias,
I was wrong about the rating of the guv's land. Still I would strongly discourage anyone from testing her patience. LL will simply not allow debauchery on parcels that they control, regardless of the rating. Attempt such activity at your own peril. _____________________
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Ponsonby Low
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06-21-2009 22:47
Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar? Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't know what interpersonal back-and-forth has been going on. But the question quoted above, and the point it makes, strike me as being quite compelling. (And the truly baffling mindset must surely be the one that would attempt to sweep this question under the virtual rug.) |
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 22:51
I don't say the Adult Content person would be engaging in sexual activity - just standing there in their slave silks and gag in mouth next to a child avatar. Isn't it weird for LL to explicitly create a continent that allows such interaction? Throwing the two extremes together on a Linden Road and making it perfectly ok? Disturbing internet fodder. This will not end well. I believe it'll work itself out and end up fine. That kind of thing doesn't happen with enough frequency now in Mature regions to raise an eyebrow. I doubt it will be any different in Zindra. I believe you'll be more likely to see that pair in a group of avatars in a shop waiting for lucky chairs to flip than anywhere in Zindra. Of course no one even thinks about it there because there's no sexual interaction whatsoever. There have been few child avatars there now, and I'm sure even fewer will go with the open hostility demonstrated on the other forums. _____________________
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-21-2009 22:56
Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't know what interpersonal back-and-forth has been going on. But the question quoted above, and the point it makes, strike me as being quite compelling. (And the truly baffling mindset must surely be the one that would attempt to sweep this question under the virtual rug.) ok here it goes, and i do advise you do read the thread, and have a bottle of aspirin handy. why would someone go as a child av to a sim when invited by LL? because well, they probably didn't know that accepting said invite would cause such a rukus. and probably because there was NO ADULT CONTENT TO SPEAK OF ANYWHERE ON SAID SIM. it was an open house pretty much like the bay city(?) sim open house where residents can come and check it out, explore, and maybe for a few, pick out their spots for future purchase. NO WHERE IN THE BLOG REPORT DID IT IMPLY THAT CERTAIN AVATARS WERE NOT WELCOME TO COME. now that i have answered your post Lias, how about you show the same courtesy to others. |
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 23:07
Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't know what interpersonal back-and-forth has been going on. But the question quoted above, and the point it makes, strike me as being quite compelling. (And the truly baffling mindset must surely be the one that would attempt to sweep this question under the virtual rug.) Maybe because the chances of a Linden sponsored event devolving into an orgy are pretty slim. Especially given the dearth of raunchy poseballs in Zindra. If people had known the anti-child avatar brigade was going to twist it around for propaganda purposes, they'd probably have thought twice about it. However, given what's been said, I doubt it would have made any difference what avatar any resident commonly associated with child avatars wore. The reaction would likely have been the same. _____________________
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 23:07
LL will simply not allow debauchery on parcels that they control, regardless of the rating. Attempt such activity at your own peril. _____________________
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Daniel Regenbogen
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06-21-2009 23:17
Was it even that much of a scandal at all? At the time, SL was a distant thought to me since my hardware didn't support it. I heard nothing of this "public scandal" until I actually actively got involved in SL. Otherwise, it was nothing more than a missing-blip on the news radar of the outlets I followed. Namely CNET, Just about anything Ziff Davis publishes, Yahoo, and Google news search. (^_^)y It was one for a few days, died down within days or weeks after people started to do their own research about a) SL and b) the "journalistic" methods behind the article. You would think that - if this really was such a big and wide spread problem - in those 2 years since this story there would have been a constant coming of followup stories. And law suits, I mean, they had a public prosecutor on the show! But ... nothing. |