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So why are kids on Zindra?

Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 21:50
From: Milla Janick
Walking past, not involving the child avatars in any inappropriate activity. So?
That scenario will never happen, so it's a moot point.
Milla - the picture of the nude woman and the child avatar in Zindar hit the net - it happened. your over 70 pages in a debate because of that 'innocent' encounter in Zindar - how you can just say 'so' confuses me.
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 21:52
From: Lias Leandros
But after the adult content in these sims are in place - then I ask the OP's question - why are child avatars allowed to enter Adult Content sims?

If the parcels contain actual adult content (Linden trees in a field marked "Adult" is not adult content) then child avatars have no business there. They'd be prohibited by the TOS, and likely the parcel owner.

On the other hand, if the parcel is simply marked adult, but does not contain adult content that would be a TOS violation for a child avatar to be near, there's no reason to prohibit child avatars from that parcel.
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06-21-2009 21:53
From: Lias Leandros
OK ---- then I ask the OP's question - why are child avatars allowed to enter Adult Content sims?



because LL invited EVERYONE to come explore the new sim before the sales and land swaps begin on the 29th of June. that is the point you and your ilk seem to be turning a blind eye to.
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06-21-2009 21:57
From: Milla Janick
On the other hand, if the parcel is simply marked adult, but does not contain adult content that would not be a TOS violation for a child avatar to be near, there's no reason to prohibit child avatars from that parcel.
And it would not be a TOS violation for a Adult Content person to be there either. SO child avatars and nude collared slaves can co-exist on Linden parcels marked Adult that have no adult products on it.
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Argus Collingwood
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06-21-2009 21:59
From: Lias Leandros
You know what could prevent it. But dare you say it?
.

[sarcasm]

I'll say it, Ban all Adult material all over Second Life. No Sex. No Drugs, No Guns, No Kinks, No Naughty Bits. Just dump the whole concept of Virtual Freedom and Imagination. That's it, finis, over, dead parrot, so long and thanks for all the fish:-) Game Over, Man!! No Sex, No Drugs, No Rock and Roll.

[/sarcasm]
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 22:02
From: Lias Leandros
And it would not be a TOS violation for a Adult Content person to be there either. SO child avatars and nude women touching themselves can co-exist on Linden parcels marked Adult that have no adult products on it.

It might not be a TOS violation, but the owner of the parcel may have an issue with either one. I'm betting that if someone goes into a clothing shop, strips their avatar nude and begins cartoon masturbation, they're getting thrown out, regardless of the region rating.

I'm talking about non-sexual situations. A hair shop is hardly an appropriate place to begin screwing, even on Zindra.
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Ian Nider
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06-21-2009 22:02
From: Argus Collingwood
[sarcasm]

I'll say it, Ban all Adult material all over Second Life. No Sex. No Drugs, No Guns, No Kinks, No Naughty Bits. Just dump the whole concept of Virtual Freedom and Imagination. That's it, finis, over, dead parrot, so long and thanks for all the fish:-) Game Over, Man!! No Sex, No Drugs, No Rock and Roll.

[/sacrasm]



hehe, funny, because all of those sex drugs and violence things that would be banned don't include the kid avs, lol.
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06-21-2009 22:08
From: Ian Nider
hehe, funny, because all of those sex drugs and violence things that would be banned don't include the kid avs, lol.


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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:12
From: Moesha Yakubu
because LL invited EVERYONE to come explore the new sim before the sales and land swaps begin on the 29th of June. that is the point you and your ilk seem to be turning a blind eye to.
Well, I know these child avatars that are experienced in SL know how to make sure they are not in the wrong situation (as Mari pointed out). The obvious wrong situation is a party in a Adult Rated Continent. And upon seeing nude adult avatars - staying there.

They used the excuse of an open invitation. If they were aware of the invitation then they were aware of what the event was for a adult continent. If a child avatar invites me to a event I am not showing up in see-through slave silks and a gag in my mouth. I am going to assume there will be child avatars there and I would respect that and display my avatar as a PG rated avatar. Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar?

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Many of you have been waiting patiently for the chance to explore the new adult continent known as Zindra. In coordination with the final release of the 1.23 viewer, we are pleased to announce that the waiting is over! Today, Monday, June 15th, Zindra will be officially opened for the Residents of Second Life.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:13
From: Ian Nider
hehe, funny, because all of those sex drugs and violence things that would be banned don't include the kid avs, lol.
Ian, it is very funny.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:15
From: Milla Janick
It might not be a TOS violation, but the owner of the parcel may have an issue with either one. I'm betting that if someone goes into a clothing shop, strips their avatar nude and begins cartoon masturbation, they're getting thrown out, regardless of the region rating.
No, you said a Adult Rated bit of Linden Land with just trees on it is accessible by child avatars. And also accessible by Adult Content avatars at the same time. So these folks can stand under a tree on Linden Adult land side-by-side and that's cool.
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-21-2009 22:18
From: Lias Leandros
Well, I know these child avatars that are experienced in SL know how to make sure they are not in the wrong situation (as Mari pointed out). The obvious wrong situation is a party in a Adult Rated Continent. And upon seeing nude adult avatars - staying there.

They used the excuse of an open invitation. If they were aware of the invitation then they were aware of what the event was for a adult continent. If a child avatar invites me to a event I am not showing up in see-through slave silks and a gag in my mouth. I am going to assume there will be child avatars there and I would respect that and display my avatar as a PG rated avatar. Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar?


/me walks away shaking her head in wonder.

to think you actually made it this far in life with that mindset. baffling to say the least.
Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:24
From: Moesha Yakubu
/me walks away shaking her head in wonder.

to think you actually made it this far in life with that mindset. baffling to say the least.
Well if you cannot answer the question that is understandable. You would have to understand the mindset of someone that would not go to the opening of a Adult Sim in a child avatar - obviously you do not. And that is where LL will need to come in and spell these little subtleties out to some of their customers. Because why have this happen over and over again until the general public outside of SL says enough already?
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Milla Janick
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06-21-2009 22:29
From: Lias Leandros
No, you said a Adult Rated bit of Linden Land with just trees on it is accessible by child avatars. And also accessible by Adult Content avatars at the same time. So these folks can stand under a tree on Linden Adult land side-by-side and that's cool.

No, I'm saying it's cool that neither is prohibited from accessing it.

If someone wanted to get jiggy with it there, it would be in the child avatar's interest to either leave or switch avatars, as that would introduce adult content inappropriate for a child avatar to be around into the parcel.
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06-21-2009 22:33
From: Marianne McCann
I would actually be curious about this. What do you see about parcel ratings, say in the following regions:

Clementina (Governor's Mansion)
A random Bay City or Nautilus City road
Mosh (Port of Kama City building)
A random Zindra road

Do they say anything? To be honest, I've not found anyting beyond notes about Welcome Areas/Info Hubs on the Wiki that relate to this


My bad, on land the governor's settings match the sim's. At sea (such as Heterocera) all of the governor's land is pg. Kind of confusing. LL is of course inconsistant. My apologies, as a sailor am most familiar with protected water.
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06-21-2009 22:33
From: Lias Leandros
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There won't be a discussion here until you quit making stuff up and repeating lies, so what's the point?
Ok, I'll seeya around.
Okay... a flat out admission that she won't quit making stuff up and repeating lies. I'm sorry I read this thread this long but I laughed at this one so I'm done now. See ya in the other threads.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:36
From: Milla Janick
No, I'm saying it's cool that neither is prohibited from accessing it.

If someone wanted to get jiggy with it there, it would be in the child avatar's interest to either leave or switch avatars, as that would introduce adult content inappropriate for a child avatar to be around into the parcel.
I don't say the Adult Content person would be engaging in sexual activity - just standing there in their slave silks and gag in mouth next to a child avatar.

Isn't it weird for LL to explicitly create a continent that allows such interaction? Throwing the two extremes together on a Linden Road and making it perfectly ok? Disturbing internet fodder. This will not end well.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2009 22:38
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Okay... a flat out admission that she won't quit making stuff up and repeating lies. I'm sorry I read this thread this long but I laughed at this one so I'm done now. See ya in the other threads.
Don't be sorry. Seeya.
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Jannae Karas
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06-21-2009 22:46
To Lias,

I was wrong about the rating of the guv's land. Still I would strongly discourage anyone from testing her patience.

LL will simply not allow debauchery on parcels that they control, regardless of the rating. Attempt such activity at your own peril.
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06-21-2009 22:47
From: Lias Leandros
Why accept an invitation to the opening of an ADULT Continent and show up in a child avatar?


Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't know what interpersonal back-and-forth has been going on.

But the question quoted above, and the point it makes, strike me as being quite compelling.






(And the truly baffling mindset must surely be the one that would attempt to sweep this question under the virtual rug.)
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06-21-2009 22:51
From: Lias Leandros
I don't say the Adult Content person would be engaging in sexual activity - just standing there in their slave silks and gag in mouth next to a child avatar.

Isn't it weird for LL to explicitly create a continent that allows such interaction? Throwing the two extremes together on a Linden Road and making it perfectly ok? Disturbing internet fodder. This will not end well.

I believe it'll work itself out and end up fine.

That kind of thing doesn't happen with enough frequency now in Mature regions to raise an eyebrow. I doubt it will be any different in Zindra. I believe you'll be more likely to see that pair in a group of avatars in a shop waiting for lucky chairs to flip than anywhere in Zindra. Of course no one even thinks about it there because there's no sexual interaction whatsoever.

There have been few child avatars there now, and I'm sure even fewer will go with the open hostility demonstrated on the other forums.
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06-21-2009 22:56
From: Ponsonby Low
Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't know what interpersonal back-and-forth has been going on.

But the question quoted above, and the point it makes, strike me as being quite compelling.






(And the truly baffling mindset must surely be the one that would attempt to sweep this question under the virtual rug.)



ok here it goes, and i do advise you do read the thread, and have a bottle of aspirin handy.

why would someone go as a child av to a sim when invited by LL? because well, they probably didn't know that accepting said invite would cause such a rukus. and probably because there was NO ADULT CONTENT TO SPEAK OF ANYWHERE ON SAID SIM. it was an open house pretty much like the bay city(?) sim open house where residents can come and check it out, explore, and maybe for a few, pick out their spots for future purchase. NO WHERE IN THE BLOG REPORT DID IT IMPLY THAT CERTAIN AVATARS WERE NOT WELCOME TO COME.

now that i have answered your post Lias, how about you show the same courtesy to others.
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06-21-2009 23:07
From: Ponsonby Low
Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't know what interpersonal back-and-forth has been going on.

But the question quoted above, and the point it makes, strike me as being quite compelling.

(And the truly baffling mindset must surely be the one that would attempt to sweep this question under the virtual rug.)

Maybe because the chances of a Linden sponsored event devolving into an orgy are pretty slim. Especially given the dearth of raunchy poseballs in Zindra.

If people had known the anti-child avatar brigade was going to twist it around for propaganda purposes, they'd probably have thought twice about it. However, given what's been said, I doubt it would have made any difference what avatar any resident commonly associated with child avatars wore. The reaction would likely have been the same.
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06-21-2009 23:07
From: Jannae Karas
LL will simply not allow debauchery on parcels that they control, regardless of the rating. Attempt such activity at your own peril.
Obviously LL will - they have nothing in the TOS to stop it. And a AR is not what is the problem. It is the pictures that went outside SL that caused this - and will cause more in the very near future if LL does not plug the loophole.
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06-21-2009 23:17
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Was it even that much of a scandal at all? At the time, SL was a distant thought to me since my hardware didn't support it. I heard nothing of this "public scandal" until I actually actively got involved in SL. Otherwise, it was nothing more than a missing-blip on the news radar of the outlets I followed. Namely CNET, Just about anything Ziff Davis publishes, Yahoo, and Google news search. (^_^)y


It was one for a few days, died down within days or weeks after people started to do their own research about a) SL and b) the "journalistic" methods behind the article. You would think that - if this really was such a big and wide spread problem - in those 2 years since this story there would have been a constant coming of followup stories. And law suits, I mean, they had a public prosecutor on the show! But ... nothing.
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