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So why are kids on Zindra?

Ceka Cianci
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06-22-2009 10:53
From: Argent Stonecutter
You're making stuff up again. There was no naked woman at the Zindra opening.

The penis avatar was probably not there long enough to AR, since it wasn't long enough for me to even see it and I'm in the middle of the shot!

how long was it? :D
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06-22-2009 10:54
From: Angel Leviathan
Due to the fact that child avatars can easily be exploited for the use of creating child pornography.

what does this have to do with Zindra?
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06-22-2009 10:54
From: Proxima Saenz
Ok these messages piss me off.
Its for the PG whiners that LL had to create Zindra in the first place!

Secondly, there are NO kids on Zaindra, just AVATARS bloody PIXELS controlled by an ADULT behind a stupid computer screen, got it? yes...? Great!

Then, SL is a place for EVERBODY, in SL you can be something you cannot be in RL.
Furry, neko, wolf, angel, demon, cartoon, dementor, kid, adult, grandpa etc etc etc.
So don't restrict VERIFIED members. (they ARE verified because they CAN enter zindra.)

Last but not least.
NOT everybody that visits Zindra is into kids Angel Leviathan.
If you assume that you really have a wrong idea about what people want and do in SecondLife.


Just wanted to make that very clear, to all of the people that are against child AVATARS.

Ok?


You have posted this twice now.

Here's my previous reply.

From: Angel Leviathan
It is illegal to depict children in sexalized situations. This thread has nothing to do with the player behind these child toons. The thread is not about restricting the rights of players who participate within SL as child toons.

No one ever claimed that everyone at Zindra was a child pedophile.

This thread is not about being "against child avatars".

Welcome to the party and feel free to read the rest of the thread, Proxima Saenz.
Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 10:54
From: Argent Stonecutter
You're making stuff up again. There was no naked woman at the Zindra opening.
Your making things up: The sky is not blue.
See how easy that is?
From: someone
The penis avatar was probably not there long enough to AR, since it wasn't long enough for me to even see it and I'm in the middle of the shot!
Better luck next time
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06-22-2009 10:56
From: Ceka Cianci
what does this have to do with Zindra?
Since Linden Lab is allowing people in child avatars to knowingly go into highly sexual ADULT continent areas - quite a bit.
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Ceka Cianci
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06-22-2009 10:57
no they are not..because there are none there yet
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06-22-2009 10:58
From: Angel Leviathan
Due to the fact that child avatars can easily be exploited for the use of creating child pornography.

In areas without sexual content? No, not really.
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06-22-2009 10:59
lunch break is over ..have fun all :)
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06-22-2009 11:01
From: Lias Leandros
Since Linden Lab is allowing people in child avatars to knowingly go into highly sexual ADULT continent areas - quite a bit.


Fact: Not all of the content on Zindra is going to be sexual in nature.

Fact: Adult does NOT equal sex.
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06-22-2009 11:03
From: Lias Leandros
Since Linden Lab is allowing people in child avatars to knowingly go into highly sexual ADULT continent areas [...]
Shenanigans! You're making that up!
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06-22-2009 11:05
From: Milla Janick
In areas without sexual content? No, not really.


I think maybe you have missed the point of Zindra.
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06-22-2009 11:09
From: Angel Leviathan
I think maybe you have missed the point of Zindra.


I think you have missed the point of Zindra yourself Angel.

Adult does not mean or equal sex.
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06-22-2009 11:10
From: Angel Leviathan
I think maybe you have missed the point of Zindra.

Anyone who has followed the adult content issue realizes Zindra is unlikely to be wall to wall porn.
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06-22-2009 11:10
From: Ceka Cianci
no they are not..because there are none there yet
There are no rules developed by Linden Lab to prevent child avatars from going into Zindr Adult Marked areas.

Many of you have this circular argument: Child avatars have not gone into Adult marked areas in Zindra yet because there is no Adult Content there yet
And then:
The child avatar can go into Adult marked Zindra areas even after the Adult Content arrives as long as they do not participate in the sexual activity.

And we still ask why are child avatars set on entering Adult Content areas? Something discussed for 80-plus pages is not a non-issue. This internal discourse will continue to spill over outside of Second Life. If Linden Lab has a reasonable resolution to this problem - now is the time to get on with it. Of course, residents that wear child avatars could easily change avatars before entering Zindra Adult areas at all. But as the child avatar at the Zindra opening admitted:

From: someone
"The nude woman was for sure provocating"

"I could have used a adult or similar avatar thing, maybe a child-prim ... I just was to lazy to change and to seek afterwards all my stuff together since I dont use outfits in folders."


Since these child avatar residents have no inention of cooperating and are set on making this transition as difficult as possible- Linden Lab needs to step up to the plate and fix the problem their grey area 'policies' have created.
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Benski Trenkins
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06-22-2009 11:15
From: Solar Legion
Fact: Not all of the content on Zindra is going to be sexual in nature.

Fact: Adult does NOT equal sex.


Exactly my oppinion. As long as legally aged adults using child avatars don't engage sexual activities, they have every right to be there.

In RL kids are not allowed in adult clubs, pubs etc etc... exactly the same applies here... but those against kid avi's on Zindra, are you also against kids in RL to walk on the streets where there might be a pub located?????

Ow that street has a adult club, let's close it for anyone below 18!! ow wait, we have so many, you know what?? anyone below 18 cannot enter city limits!!! That'll teach them!!
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06-22-2009 11:15
From: Milla Janick
Anyone who has followed the adult content issue realizes Zindra is unlikely to be wall to wall porn.
Milla until the tickets to move Adult content to Zindra are counted the first week in July you cannot make that assumption.
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06-22-2009 11:17
From: Lias Leandros
There are no rules developed by Linden Lab to prevent child avatars from going into Zindr Adult Marked areas.
FIrst, "Zindra Adult Marked areas" is a meaningless term you are making up to muddy the waters. There is no such thing as an "adult marked" area. There are "adult rated" regions, and there are "areas containing adult content", but "adult marked areas" is yet another term you're making up to muddy the waters.

There are the same rules that exist to prevent child avatars from entering areas containing sexual content or activities anywhere else on the grid. There is no need to treat Zindra differently because it's already against the ToS.

From: someone
And we still ask why are child avatars set on entering Adult Content areas?
They're not. Nobody has suggested that kid toons should enter parcels or areas in parcels containing adult content opr adult activities. You keep trying to redefine the terms to make out that any region marked "adult" is edge-to-edge adult content, but that's just something you made up.
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06-22-2009 11:18
From: Lias Leandros
Milla until the tickets to move Adult content to Zindra are counted the first week in July you cannot make that assumption.
Irrelevant. If it turns out to be wall-to-wall porn that will prevent kid toons from leaving the infohubs after they arrive in Zindra, yes, but that's a completely separate issue from whether they should be permitted in Zindra at all.
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06-22-2009 11:18
From: Lias Leandros
There are no rules developed by Linden Lab to prevent child avatars from going into Zindr Adult Marked areas.

Many of you have this circular argument: Child avatars have not gone into Adult marked areas in Zindra yet because there is no Adult Content there yet
And then:
The child avatar can go into Adult marked Zindra areas even after the Adult Content arrives as long as they do not participate in the sexual activity.


The argument is, and has been made umpteen times, that nobody thinks child av's should be going into plots with adult content on them. You refuse to grasp this because it does not suit your agenda.

From: Lias Leandros
And we still ask why are child avatars set on entering Adult Content areas? Something discussed for 80-plus pages is not a non-issue. This internal discourse will continue to spill over outside of Second Life. If Linden Lab has a reasonable resolution to this problem - now is the time to get on with it. Of course, residents that wear child avatars could easily change avatars before entering Zindra Adult areas at all. But as the child avatar at the Zindra opening admitted:



Since these child avatar residents have no inention of cooperating and are set on making this transition as difficult as possible- Linden Lab needs to step up to the plate and fix the problem their grey area 'policies' have created.


The problems have been caused by nakedness and adult animations in places whereby the current community standards (and the ones you made up are not written anywhere) are being breached.
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06-22-2009 11:22
From: Benski Trenkins
In RL kids are not allowed in adult clubs, pubs etc etc... exactly the same applies here... but those against kid avi's on Zindra, are you also against kids in RL to walk on the streets where there might be a pub located?????
I feel it is a disturbing fantasy to knowingly RP as an unaccompanied eight-year-old child walking down a street lined with sex toy shops, strip joints and pubs.
From: someone
Ow that street has a adult club, let's close it for anyone below 18!! ow wait, we have so many, you know what?? anyone below 18 cannot enter city limits!!! That'll teach them!!
Oh wait, I have a adult avatar I can put on. Emergency alleviated. I'm off to Zindra.
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06-22-2009 11:26
From: Ciaran Laval
The argument is, and has been made umpteen times, that nobody thinks child av's should be going into plots with adult content on them. You refuse to grasp this because it does not suit your agenda.
And Linden Lab needs to spell that out to the child avatar wearing community - since some in that community surely cannot make decisions that make any common sense.
From: someone
The problems have been caused by nakedness and adult animations in places whereby the current community standards (and the ones you made up are not written anywhere) are being breached.
Again, LL needs to fix the problem. Adult Content avatars on Adult Linden land being AR'd by child avatars for indecency. It would be funny if it was not so tragic.
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06-22-2009 11:27
From: Lias Leandros
This is a good idea. You could clear out many Zindra public areas in ten minutes. That child avatar at the Zindra opening should have AR'd the naked woman and the penis avatar and stayed and enjoyed himself.

This is a unprecedented to tell thousands of customers to cooperatively participate in such a move. To have Linden owned land in Zindra labeled Adult and then attempt to enforce PG standards on that same land is not going to make for a smooth, reasonable transition for Linden Lab or the Adult Content community. Child avatars knowingly coming to these areas whenever they please, and then ARing the Adults there will add to the 'what were they thinking' internet fodder.
Maybe you missed it... Here it is again:



Linden Lab has established a PG parcel in an (Adult) sim. Sim ratings take precedence for privately owned parcels within the sim that don't apply additional local rules. But, since infohub and welcome area parcels DO apply additional restrictions, those guidelines take precedence. (^_^)

Same goes for my favorite Friday night party. If you go to NCI - Fisherman's Cove, you'll see that the sim is a (Mature) estate. But!!! NCI's parcel rules require that PG guidelines are followed. So; ARs, ejections, parcel bans, and so-forth for nudity and sex apply. Sim rules or not. Mind you, Friday nights starting at 8PM.... Kid avatars dance with adult avatars. Surely, you can justify in your own little made-up reality that the place should be shut down. I mean... Kid AVs are supposed to be on (PG) land only, right? Who knows what could be happening between kid and adult AVs on a (Mature) beach sim, right? Heh... (=_=)

Much ado about nothing. (=_=)y
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06-22-2009 11:29
From: Angel Leviathan
Due to the fact that child avatars can easily be exploited for the use of creating child pornography.
No... It takes children to do that. There are no children here. (=_=)y
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06-22-2009 11:33
From: Lias Leandros
And Linden Lab needs to spell that out to the child avatar wearing community - since some in that community surely cannot make decisions that make any common sense.


The common sense needs to be applied to those choosing to cavort naked in places were naked cavorting is already forbidden.

From: Lias Leandros
Again, LL needs to fix the problem. Adult Content avatars on Adult Linden land being AR'd by child avatars for indecency. It would be funny if it was not so tragic.


How many times does this need to be pointed out to you?

http://sluniverse.com/pics/379140.jpg

"No shooting, blood or violence"

"No buying, selling, begging or recruiting"

"No sex, nudity or offensive language"

"No annoying, repetitive or adult sounds"

Those are the rules you are choosing to ignore.
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06-22-2009 11:34
From: Lias Leandros
I feel it is a disturbing fantasy to knowingly RP as an unaccompanied eight-year-old child walking down a street lined with sex toy shops, strip joints and pubs.


That is everyday RL reality. I see under aged people wandering the streets all the time. So should we just all ban them from Amsterdam??

If there are kids on the streets of Zindra, I see NO problem with that. They are just STREETS and even on Zindra, just run around naked on the streets is not an option!

From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Maybe you missed it... Here it is again:



As above image shows: The Zindra continent does not equal "Sex Land"
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