So why are kids on Zindra?

I didn't see that article, thanks for reposting it.

I don't happen to agree with Desmond that this is a matter of going 100 MPH in a 65 zone.

Or if it is, then so is having a kid toon in a Mature region. If it is, the only safe place to have a kid toon is a PG region, because anywhere else there's the probability of running into sexual content or activities.

Because Zindra is about 1/10th the size it would need to be to contain all the builds that contain sexual content on the Mainland.

Is that what you mean? Do you think that's what Desmond means?

i just got home from work but i'll read it.

Surely this is a parody post.. Because that is by no means a kid avatar. =^-^=

ok i read it..now what..what is it i am supposed to do now?
i guess i mean t whats your point you are making?

The beach has been “dealt with” by LL. Basically, it’s still in operation because dancing is not sex. (^_^)y

Take a nap.

No, that was mean. Sorry. I just wanted to expose you to people more reasonable than I am that are leaning toward similar conclusions as being discussed here. Child Avtars in Zindra will not end well - and is just not something that HAS to happen.

Town ordinance around me states that I can play my stereo in my house as loud as I can up to 10:45 PM at night - but why be a asshole?

Zindra will not end well

Child avatars or no.

The whole plan was made of fail from the start.

Ignore it? Hmmm actually that is called having a real job and being at work. As far as respect thou, I do respect Desmond, I respect a lot of people here and some respect me. But respect does not mean that everyone has to agree with whatever the person said.

This is not about breaking the speed limit, nor is it about gay marriage, this is about trying to block a subset of account verified adults from an entire continent. This is about some trying to tell others that they can not go see the green slime under the dam because OMG there might be sexxies there? Ludicrous.

I'm not getting into this with you here. It is still in operation (after a Linden Lab investigation) because we are not lacking in perverts in Second Life that rally to use child avatars in their RP frolicking. End it.

I'm not the one who brought it up. =^-^=

amazing


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~ Representing oneself as a kid in an area generally understood to be extreme. Even if that characterisation isn't entirely accurate (say it's a 'safe zone' or 'hub' or whatever, near said extreme land)

Potential consequences:

~ Incredibly bad publicity, crazed congressmen taking up causes, foreign lawsuits, blocked grid access by country, ridiculous new laws.
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Yes, I respect Desmond's opinion on many topics. I didn't see this post until now, but since you ask: On this topic, Des is addressing a different issue from that which I believe affects us now.

You, Vryl, Prok, and yes, even Des, are all imagining that there is something LL could do here to stave off disaster (PR, legal, obscure foreign entanglements, etc.). It just isn't true. Keeping the child avatars off of Zindra would have no effect at all on that. You're all just imagining it to be true, and telling each other just-so stories about how it might help. It won't.

If separating content by a parcel boundary isn't good enough, then separating it by sim edge (as allowed for Adult and PG sims for Estates)--or even by a vast intercontinental void--will not help either. Quite regardless, the very same claims will be made in the press, in FTC staff meeting, in grandstanding political speeches, in some (highly hypothetical) court: "Child avatars can Instant Message and even *voice* with adult avatars, creating obscene sexual ageplay scenes, illustrated with nude images of their underage avatars that the service allows them to exchange without restriction! It's virtual sexting!"

When these morons get started, a ban on child avatars on Zindra just ain't gonna make any difference. At all.

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Specifically to Des's post, I don't see this as an issue of freedom of expression, so all the analogies to gay marriage are largely irrelevant to my perception of the matter. My concerns are much more prosaic, really:

1. SL will fare best with the most diverse content--including child avatars, wherever they may roam.

2. Zindra will be a better place if it, too, is diverse, not just a hellhole of smut and gore.

3. LL will do better if it can collect tier for Adult land permitting the full range of uses, rather than making it just a lame imitation of Red Light Central.

and, as I said above, no restriction of child avatar access to Zindra is going to benefit LL, its customers, or anybody else.

i really could use a nap i am so tired hehehehe..

well me and you were really never talking about much more than the actual construct of how it is right now..
my self i don't see a lot of them wanting to really go there anyways..i think they are going to be happy with mature..

the thing that really got me involved was the way people were handling things..
they were using misinformation and when you do that you are going to have somethig like these threads

if it ends up changing to be a continent that LL turns into Adults only rating ..thats fine..

my opinion of what they would do is not do that..and i say that only because not all adult content is sexual..
my ethics have nothing to do with other avatars stopping or going there..
i'm not a child avatar and i really don't care for mainland unless i don't have a choice..i mean if a store is there i'll go there but thats about it..

but if LL said tomorrow zindra was adults only content then it would be..
i just don't see them changing from how they do things..

if they say no more child avatars on Zindra then it will be..i wouldn't protest it..

And we do not believe that it will not help. Spelling out what is and is not allowed on certain parts of the grid (which is what LL has done since the beginning of SL with PG and Mature ratings) will effect what we see in certain parts of the grid.

If separating content by a parcel boundary isn't good enough, then separating it by sim edge (as allowed for Adult and PG sims for Estates)--or even by a vast intercontinental void--will not help either.[/QUOTE]Of course it will. Linden Lab never 'assumed' that children would not know not to sign up for this grid - they made it quite clear in writing what grid the children can be on. Sure we have the children 'sneaking' in -but the written rules help us rid ourselves of the few we encounter.


I do nto understand if you all know that this is something that definitely can happen - why are you still wanting child avatars on a Adult Rated continent? Getting ones jollies over common sense.
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What? Hell Hole? Smut and Gore? Someone's agenda is showing.
Agreed. But welcome to Zindra. LL wants their cake and eat it too. And its going to choke them in the long run.
LL just lost alot pf time and money because of outside pressure. The Child Avatar scandal of 2007 did not help LL at all. Another scandal when they could have obviously made some attempt to stave off the issue will cause LL even more trouble - and paying customers (corporate and Adult).

Let's just take a step back and see who the troublemakers have been on this issue, whose stirring the pot and whose trying to create all the drama and the headaches? So far it hasn't been the child av's, they're not the ones indulging in public nudity and adult animations in front of all and sundry.

will you stop calling it an adult rated continent already silly wabbit lol
i know you know what it is so quit it

and nobody wants child avatars in sexual situations anywhere..

Hmmm, a German child avatar?
And to that I say common sense and common decency should prevail over some guy that wants to RP as a small child in a area clearly marked Adult. This one little Faux Pas caused all of this. Pay attention.

When Linden Lab makes the continent of Zindra PG then I will stop saying it is Adult. Just because some kid avatar setups a orphanage with a child avatar playground in Zindra - I can set up a strip club on the parcel right next door - because the rating CAN be PG there but it CAN go all the way up to Adult. Why you insist upon invading a area clearly flagged as a place that no one should RP as a small child in is something that is hard to understand. 'Because I can' is a lame reason. You put us all in danger of loosing what we have paid for and worked so hard for - and all because you refuse to change your avatar in a Adult marked area.

These are similar to the same massive page conversations we used to have with the adfarmers.

Well in paying attention to the post you quoted.. (I'm trusting you didn't edit that one too much).. It sounds like a child avatar was standing around and there was nudity there. hmmm.. not getting the sex or the "adult" part of your argument.. according to LL's policy, nudity for nudity's sake, is mature, not adult.

And if you think every adult who has ever been seen nude by a child (avatar or real) needs to be persecuted somehow, gee I would wager you would need to start with a vast majority of parents who had their kid walk in on them in the shower.

While paying attention, use some common sense.

You know perfectly well that's not what Ceka meant. Zindra is not "adult only", it's "adult permitted".

Nobody's doing that.

And this is why LL needs to spell it out for you all. Common Sense: he sees the nude woman - he stays in the child avatar. Common Decency: She actually starts to do some sexual animations - he still stays. And he sees nothing wrong with that.

Why rp this lovely depiction on the internet? What compels you to see children depicted like this on your computer?

Most of the time, it makes for great comedy. The rest, it's good lolicon hentai. =^-^=

Once again from the CS:

mosh monorail station roads dam river and the infohubs are NOT private land so can not contain sex or even nudety, therefor there is no reason to limit any type of avatar from visiting those public lands, furthermore there is NO private land at zindra.
you have been told often enough Adult rating will be what is Mature right now and there are no problems on Mature land with child av friendly builds and sexualised builds in the same sim on different parcels, stop looking for problems that do not exist, especialy by making up things.

Because he's not interacting with her. Why should he leave if he and she are not interacting?


Again.. HE WASN'T INTERACTING WITH HER! There was no roleplay going on. Are you really this dense or are you just trolling?

It's clear that you and others think it will help. I don't understand why you think that. Sure, there are scenarios that would be embarrassing in the press (if SL ever got press attention again), and some could occur with child avatars on Zindra. But even within the tiny subset of such scenarios that involve child avatars, the vast majority of them will occur on private Mature parcels--with or without an Adult Content policy. It's fretting over such a minuscule bit of the potential problem that it just has no measurable benefit.
I'm not sure to what this is responding; it seems to be about RL children. Huh?
Again, huh? Did you understand that all the legalisms in this and other threads apply just as much to images sent from one continent to the other as it does to pr0n shots somebody takes of two avatars in proximity? The point is that it's absurdly futile to worry about the PR / legal implications of child and adult avatars on the same continent when the current wave of popular moralistic handwringing is over remote contact such as "sexting" that cannot be addressed by rearranging content and avatars on the grid.

What *can* be addressed--and what is LL's stated objective here--is the aesthetics of non-Adult land. They aim to make it more appealing to a certain group of potential customers by getting the Adult stuff out of sight. The measure is not effective against these "child porn" allegations; that was never its intent, and it cannot be made effective against it with the proposed post hoc tweaking.
What agenda is that? The one where I support Adult Content? Or the one where I chose not to join Red Light Central?
We'll just have to agree to disagree about LL's ability to stave off any issue by barring child avatars from Zindra. I think it would make no difference whatsoever, and at significant cost to the diversity of content on Zindra and the grid as a whole. Others seem to think otherwise.