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So why are kids on Zindra?

Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 18:50
From: Qie Niangao
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Jannae Karas
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06-22-2009 18:51
From: Ceka Cianci
sorry that was an example i was using with mature and pg..the main point was you could not put a 512 lot inside of an adult rated sim and have a pg rated 512 lot..it would still be rated adult if the sim was..


anyways i am stepping out iof the thread..it's life has gone on way too long and now people are really starting to get hurt so everyone have a great night ;)


That's OK Ceka. You seem like a very nice person that would just like to see everyone get along.

I stepped out on Lias last night. Followed some of the rest of it,but it has turned into more or less an argument between Lias and a couple of others.

Arguing with Lias is,at best, an exercise in futility. Not too likely anyone will change her mind on this (or any other) issue.
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Vanessa Sakai
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06-22-2009 18:52
How about a new continent rated D for drama? That way those who are making an issue of child AV's on Zindra can have all the drama they want. The lindens could build it with a lot of bridges so they all could have a place to live. Maybe we could move this discussion in world to the Bear Infohub.
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06-22-2009 18:53
From: Lias Leandros
Mari, I harbor no ill-will for you, you seem like a nice person and all - BUT welcome to the repercussions of your actions. Child Avatars do not belong on the Zindra Adult continent.


There's an old saying that applies, then I think I'm done here:

two wrongs do not make a right.

One could have addressed things in a mature manner (and many have), others could run around like fools trying to stir more dissent and trouble. Sadly, most took the other route.
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06-22-2009 18:54
From: Qie Niangao
Pretend you've won the thread. It will make it easier.


I think I've made maybe 45 posts in this thread. I would bet Argent has made nearly 400. If after that many posts she decides to start deleting them then I wonder why. Anyone who bothers to read this thread would probably wonder the same.
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06-22-2009 18:55
From: Vanessa Sakai
How about a new continent rated D for drama? That way those who are making an issue of child AV's on Zindra can have all the drama they want. The lindens could build it with a lot of bridges so they all could have a place to live. Maybe we could move this discussion in world to the Bear Infohub.


You win the debate hands down.
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06-22-2009 18:59
From: Marianne McCann
There's an old saying that applies, then I think I'm done here:

two wrongs do not make a right.

One could have addressed things in a mature manner (and many have), others could run around like fools trying to stir more dissent and trouble. Sadly, most took the other route.


Hold your head up Mari, like a big girl.
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06-22-2009 18:59
From: Marianne McCann
Okay, I've had about as much as I can take, an I can't takes no more.

Let me tell you about my day. It wasn't so bad to begin with, making sure my SL6B plot was really really ready for opening and the media day. getting a peek at the grey lagginess that is hair fair, and even going for yet another flight over the Gulf of Lauren.

Then a friend who was DJing a party sent me a SLURL to join 'em at the event. I teeped over and two other party members said, "There's that child avatar" and "quick, rez some penises." I teeped off. My friend, who is an adult avatar, is upset that he thought he was doing something okay to visit with a friend, only to see others use it as a chance to "trap" me.

Shortly after, another kid friend of mine tells me that she's being harassed at hair fair. She came to check out the wares with everyone else, but some other avvies there are threatening to strip down around "because it's okay as it's a mature sim" and she's having a moment of panic. I teach her how to do an AR (for harassment, not the nudity), and have her write the main Hair Fair coordinator.

A few minutes after that, work goes out on one of the kid groups about an adult avatar trying to lull kid avvies to, again, send ARs in on them. I run around to my stores and add 'em to the ban list.

I'm not telling all this to play "poor me" and be a victim here. I'm telling you because this is the *real* consequences of this thread as well as the other places this "discussion" is going on. Tell me, how many kids, today, ran around Zindra attempting to "catch" adults?

To me -- and yes, this is ironic -- it seems as if some folks are being very childish. An it ain't the ones in the kid avatars.


Your brought it on yourself.
For the most part I love kid avi's in there natural RP setting there cut and fun to watch and RP with. but they dont belong in adult sims.
for the most part you dont see adult avis going to kid sims and RPing master and slave roles. so why is it ok for child avis to go into adult sims and RP?

there a time and place for everythng. and adult sims isnt the place for child avi's
God forbid a person with tendercies toward a child sexually who knows better and never visits a pg sim or a sim where child avi's are, is confronted by one on a adult sim and sends him over the edge to act out in RL.
did you ever think of that wiith your lil stunt?
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:05
From: Marianne McCann
There's an old saying that applies, then I think I'm done here:

two wrongs do not make a right.

One could have addressed things in a mature manner (and many have), others could run around like fools trying to stir more dissent and trouble. Sadly, most took the other route.

From: Vanessa Sakai
How about a new continent rated D for drama? That way those who are making an issue of child AV's on Zindra can have all the drama they want. The lindens could build it with a lot of bridges so they all could have a place to live. Maybe we could move this discussion in world to the Bear Infohub.


Yeah. The other route.
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06-22-2009 19:06
Wonderful. Kick her while she's down, don't you? Now I start reporting posts. (T_T)
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06-22-2009 19:07
I deleted three or four recent messages that hadn't been responded to. Not 400. Sheesh.

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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:10
From: Jannae Karas
Arguing with Lias is,at best, an exercise in futility. Not too likely anyone will change her mind on this (or any other) issue.
Noone is attempting to change anyone's mind. We are stating our reasons for and against not allowing child avatars in the Adult Continent of Zindra.
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Vanessa Sakai
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06-22-2009 19:11
Things would work a lot better if everyone just used common sense, but sadly that probebly won't happen. I really don't think that child AV's on Zindra will be a problem (I think most won't even want to go there). At the moment there is no adult content on Zindra.
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06-22-2009 19:12
From: Argent Stonecutter
I deleted three or four recent messages that hadn't been responded to. Not 400. Sheesh.
While your at it remove that bunny ferret. He looks dangerous.
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06-22-2009 19:12
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Wonderful. Kick her while she's down, don't you? Now I start reporting posts. (T_T)
Who cares.
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06-22-2009 19:13
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:16
From: Argent Stonecutter
Argen, you starting with me again? If I knew how to embed pictures here you would be in trouble.
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06-22-2009 19:20
Now we see the effect of online bullying. And will continue to see it. As long as cruel and selfish mindsets are here and hellbent on torturing someone over violating their personal sensibilities. As long as anyone slightly outside the curve can be trampled upon there will always be someone there to do the trampling.

Those of you who are essentially saying "Serves you right, deviant!"... Shame on you. Consider who you're attacking. You're attacking a person. A person with a life not too far different from your own. A life lived with just as much to gain and lose as you do. But, you forget this, go on the offense over something that scares you, and trample down those that show signs of weakness.

Well. That's even more weak. While you bask in your false sense of glory over some sort of bully-ish victory, the next biggest bully just might be around the corner. And you may just be the next target.

It's called a "Chilling effect". It's perpetual. If you let it proceed against the things you dislike, it WILL continue against the things you like, yet, someone else dislikes.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
-- Martin Niemöller

Don't even imagine from the furthest happenstance that you're safe from this in any way.
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06-22-2009 19:20
From: Sweetness Sharple


Is this what you really want in Zinda? Underage, drunk and debotchery Avi's wondering the streets becouse they cant geting into anyplace repible but will still find people too buy them boose, cigirettes, before taking them back to there place?.
All of you people fighting for the rights of child avis know that very few if any child avi with good intentions will not be ventering to Zinda, but instead it will be all those that want to be there for their sexual desires.


Looking at how well she has been visited by the titty fairy, I would not call her a child. While she might be late teens, she is no child at all.
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06-22-2009 19:22
From: Lias Leandros
Who cares.
I do. Mari is my friend and a good person.
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:28
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Now we see the effect of online bullying.
Not the point. Child avatras in Adult Continent Zindra - that's the point. This child AV purposely wwent to Zindra and made no apoligues for it - even though there were arguments going on all around her about it. Once the blow back soils her - its time tio stop the discussion. I think we need to look at how random people on the grid are reacting to this information and re-evaluate. There are people that do not feel that Child Avatars belong in Zindar, they do not understand the subtleties of the ratings (because LL advertised a Adult Continent and did not make an effort to tell anyone PG Content would be there also). I know Mari is used to being on the right side of things when it comes to SL (I don't have that problem) But sometimes when we make a statement - someone does not like it. And they may not be able to express it in the most useful way.

THIS WILL NOT END WELL
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06-22-2009 19:28
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Now we see the effect of online bullying. And will continue to see it. As long as cruel and selfish mindsets are here and hellbent on torturing someone over violating their personal sensibilities. As long as anyone slightly outside the curve can be trampled upon there will always be someone there to do the trampling.

Those of you who are essentially saying "Serves you right, deviant!"... Shame on you. Consider who you're attacking. You're attacking a person. A person with a life not too far different from your own. A life lived with just as much to gain and lose as you do. But, you forget this, go on the offense over something that scares you, and trample down those that show signs of weakness.

Well. That's even more weak. While you bask in your false sense of glory over some sort of bully-ish victory, the next biggest bully just might be around the corner. And you may just be the next target.

It's called a "Chilling effect". It's perpetual. If you let it proceed against the things you dislike, it WILL continue against the things you like, yet, someone else dislikes.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
-- Martin Niemöller

Don't even imagine from the furthest happenstance that you're safe from this in any way.


what about the childern in RL that are effected by child avis in an adult sim wakening somthing in a sick person that might not have been awoken if it wasnt for child AVI"s in dirrect or close contact with sexual content in adult regions. Its Not a faw streatch to think there are sick people in SL that know they are and stay away from places where child avi;s might be, but when you allow child avis into a place they shouldnt be (ADULT regions) your putting RL children at risk.
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06-22-2009 19:29
From: Minx Eisenhart
Your brought it on yourself.
For the most part I love kid avi's in there natural RP setting there cut and fun to watch and RP with. but they dont belong in adult sims.
for the most part you dont see adult avis going to kid sims and RPing master and slave roles. so why is it ok for child avis to go into adult sims and RP?

there a time and place for everythng. and adult sims isnt the place for child avi's
God forbid a person with tendercies toward a child sexually who knows better and never visits a pg sim or a sim where child avi's are, is confronted by one on a adult sim and sends him over the edge to act out in RL.
did you ever think of that wiith your lil stunt?



Wow, so THIS is what we have to look forward to in a "sanitized for your protection" SL? Forget tolerance. There was no stunt. There is currently nothing on Zindra other than a land rating.

SL is becoming a sad, shallow, intolerant place with statements like this. This whole thread is advocating intolerance to an entire section of SL. Last I looked, the only gatekeepers on SL are the ones with Linden in the last name.

The moral uppity superiority of late is sickening to read. My apologies to Mari and other kid avies on behalf of the rational and tolerant SL I hope is not dying.
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06-22-2009 19:31
From: Lias Leandros
Who cares.



SL is not a babysitting service for fucking insane, go beat yourself up instead innocent people. You're a pathetic nasty bitter piece of shit. Go to hell.
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