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So why are kids on Zindra?

Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 19:59
From: Melodie Darwin
An empty sim rated adult versus an empty sim rated PG is still just grass.


1 user waits for some to cite studies showing how green grass is a known incentive for pedophiles...
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:59
From: Clarissa Lowell
but your example is reaching a bit and ignoring several things. As a reason to ban child avs from Zindra it holds no water.
I think situations like the one we are now participating in is a obvious reason. I am really amazed a entire section of the SL residency refuses to change their avatars before entering a area.
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Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 20:00
From: Clarissa Lowell
Minx, were that fictitious 'uncle' so inclined - *he could already do that and still can after Zindra opens* - there are child avs all over Second Life not to mention other places - but I doubt most are that imaginative. Unfortunately there are sites catering to such things all over the 'net.

Also, you're saying a pedophile would ignore a real life child in his care but go for a pixel? A bit of a far reach. And I'm against virtual depictions of pedophilia, for the record...but your example is reaching a bit and ignoring several things. As a reason to ban child avs from Zindra it holds no water.

If you knew thing one about pedophiles you'd know he was probably sitting home doing about the same watching kids on tv, the internet, even Sears catalogs. There is nothing new OR magical about "Zindra" that is going to spark something that wasn't already there.

this isnt just a sears catalog or tv

you wont find a representation of a child outside between brothels. that you been walking back and forth to getting your pixel grove on, while drinking. The drinking and Pixel sex weaked his resolve, its not a vacume there more things playing under the surface of everyperson. but this is a possible outcome of what can happen with child avis allowed on zinda.
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Melissa Dzieciol
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06-22-2009 20:00
Seeing child avies are an insentive for people with no common sense.
Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 20:01
From: Lias Leandros
I think situations like the one we are now participating in is a obvious reason. I am really amazed a entire section of the SL residency refuses to change their avatars before entering a area.


Realise how egotistical that sounds? Or no?

Minx - I'm sorry but I cannot decipher your last post.
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Melodie Darwin
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06-22-2009 20:03
From: Lias Leandros
I think situations like the one we are now participating in is a obvious reason. I am really amazed a entire section of the SL residency refuses to change their avatars before entering a area.


Why should somebody change who they are? You use obvious a lot without backing up WHY?
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 20:05
From: Melodie Darwin
How am I wrong? The way this reads, then your boyfriend put the penis on as a stunt because he saw Mari there and was only acting as a puppet for The Church Ladies.
If he had tried that stunt on PG or mature land he would be on SL vacation right now.
From: someone
There is no line because there is no content there. An empty sim rated adult versus an empty sim rated PG is still just grass.
This is why LL needs to put the banning of child avatars in Zindra in the new Adult TOS - you all are still insisting of moving around Zindra unheeded. Scandals, harassment, three day forum threads, herald articles - nothing effects you. Nothing raises the flag in your head to re-asses your behavior. Simply amazing.
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06-22-2009 20:05
From: Minx Eisenhart
this isnt just a sears catalog or tv

you wont find a representation of a child outside alone between brothels. that you been walking back and forth to getting your pixel grove on, while drinking. causing him to all of a sunden to think of the lil girl.
its not a vacume there more things playing under the surface of everyperson. but this is a possible outcome of what can happen with child avis allowed on zinda.

To even be able to piece together sick scenarios like this has pretty much outed you as a guy.
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06-22-2009 20:05
From: Ian Nider
SL is not a babysitting service for fucking insane, go beat yourself up instead innocent people. You're a pathetic nasty bitter piece of shit. Go to hell.


There has been some thoughtful debate on both sides of the issue and it would be nice if we can all remain at least somewhat civil.
Melissa Dzieciol
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06-22-2009 20:06
And having a strange imagination.
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06-22-2009 20:07
From: Minx Eisenhart
Must be nice to have rose colored glasses on though oout the day.
the world is a big place and terrible things happen like that every minute. why help them happen and not show alil adult decentcy
With that argument, why get involved in online simulations at all? Cybersex, BDSM, virtual combat, and so on... Each can be the trigger for the next mass murder, rapist, shell-shocked killing spree... If you fear the virtual >> real repercussions, then you have EVERYTHING to fear. And if you shut out simulations that can mutate into real life harm when exposed to the right mindset, then seriously, nothing is left.
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Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 20:07
ok heres another one for you then

a slower 15yr boy steals his dads CC and gets veriifed. and plays on zinda day in and day out, fantising about RL sex all the time becouse hes growing and his hormones are rages. then one day he meets a sick adult playing a child avi (a girl) and after a few encounters they have pixel sex. now this isnt the smartest boy in the world he does have a learning dissorter. and he gets use to thinking young girls like that kind og behavoir and then one night goes into his sisters room.
Now if there was no child avis in zinda he would of been happy fantising about the pin up models on his walls but they allow child avis there to interact wiith the few learning disabled peoople that are able to get verified.

theres 100's if not 1,000;s of senerios that child avi's in Zinda can briing into RL drama for people that dont even use SL
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 20:07
*Current rules in TOS cover all of these ZOMG what if situations. After 99 pages why do some of you PRETEND to not understand that??*
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06-22-2009 20:08
From: Melodie Darwin
Why should somebody change who they are? You use obvious a lot without backing up WHY?
When I want to shop in a Gorean market - I have to take off the ears and tail. Get a 'free woman' mask and what-not and go shopping. When I leave I get my avatar back on. You sound like a over immersed trekkie when you say changing from a child avatar for a few hours will strip you of who you are. Please.
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Kokoro Fasching
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06-22-2009 20:08
From: Melissa Dzieciol
Child avies are an insentive for people with no common sense.


No, close minded people like you are the insensitive one... and people like you are the exact reason there are still wars and atrocities happening in the world.

I stand behind Mari 1000%, and I would rather the world was filled with caring and wonderful people like her than you.

You need a good darwin award.
Ian Nider
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06-22-2009 20:09
From: Angel Leviathan
There has been some thoughtful debate on both sides of the issue and it would be nice if we can all remain at least somewhat civil.



Yeh, it's roughly put to Lias, but it is true. That people are being threatened or actually set up for AR's is not civil. sort that and you'll have a conversation.
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06-22-2009 20:09
From: Lias Leandros
This is why LL needs to put the banning of child avatars in Zindra in the new Adult TOS - you all are still insisting of moving around Zindra unheeded. Scandals, harassment, three day forum threads, herald articles - nothing effects you. Nothing raises the flag in your head to re-asses your behavior. Simply amazing.


LL needs to ban them because the Church Ladies say so? I still am not clear why ya'll think that an empty continent would be a scandal? How is the view from such morally superior vantage points?
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 20:10
From: Lias Leandros
When I want to shop in a Gorean market - I have to take off the ears and tail. Get a 'free woman' mask and what-not and go shopping.


That depends on the sim, most markets are in a 'free zone' and people go there in modern clothes and whatever. I don't see women there in veils or costumes - in fact I see more gorean costumes in regular malls.

But the real point here is that *those are private rules on private land* - you want to make all of Second Life dance to YOUR OWN tune.
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Kokoro Fasching
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06-22-2009 20:11
From: Minx Eisenhart
ok heres another one for you then

a slower 15yr boy steals his dads CC and gets veriifed. and plays on zinda day in and day out, fantising about RL sex all the time becouse hes growing and his hormones are rages. then one day he meets a sick adult playing a child avi (a girl) and after a few encounters they have pixel sex. now this isnt the smartest boy in the world he does have a learning dissorter. and he gets use to thinking young girls like that kind og behavoir and then one night goes into his sisters room.
Now if there was no child avis in zinda he would of been happy fantising about the pin up models on his walls but they allow child avis there to interact wiith the few learning disabled peoople that are able to get verified.

theres 100's if not 1,000;s of senerios that child avi's in Zinda can briing into RL drama for people that dont even use SL


Every under 18 year old I have AR'ed and removed from the grid was in a adult AV, and looking for other adult AV's. Therefore, if you want to "save" the children, ban all adults!
Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 20:11
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
With that argument, why get involved in online simulations at all? Cybersex, BDSM, virtual combat, and so on... Each can be the trigger for the next mass murder, rapist, shell-shocked killing spree... If you fear the virtual >> real repercussions, then you have EVERYTHING to fear. And if you shut out simulations that can mutate into real life harm when exposed to the right mindset, then seriously, nothing is left.


no you have a point there but only the sickest of the sickest put children is extrem sexual sitsuations.
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Melissa Dzieciol
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06-22-2009 20:11
Kokoro, what I meant was that child avies set off people without common sense, not people who have child avies.
Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 20:12
From: Clarissa Lowell
*Current rules in TOS cover all of these ZOMG what if situations. After 99 pages why do some of you PRETEND to not understand that??*
Have you completed your assignment?

Clarissa, you do not need the TOS for everything. Well, some of us don't. I spoke to three child avatars - they said they would not even think of going to Zindra - its Adult content. One would never even think a full-time child avatar person would purposely adult verify and teleport to Adult areas (yeah, you keep saying it was a opening and no content was there) But if there were no complaints they would keep coming back without a care in the world. For those that need a TOS for everything - We are hoping LL pays attention and fills in that gray area.
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Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 20:12
From: Kokoro Fasching
Every under 18 year old I have AR'ed and removed from the grid was in a adult AV, and looking for other adult AV's. Therefore, if you want to "save" the children, ban all adults!


oh i totaly understand that and i never said the boy was playing a child avi
I said the adult was.
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Moesha Yakubu
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06-22-2009 20:13
From: Lias Leandros
Who cares.


it's well documented what you and others feel about child avas. i do not know Marianne personally, but if i was to judge by her posts here, i would say she is very respectful, kind and has a hell of a lot of grace. to say who cares in such a manner only proves exactly what kind of person you are.

be careful Lias, what you and many others have started here will have repercussions, and it may not be in the way you think.
Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 20:13
From: Lias Leandros
Have you completed your assignment?


Again Lias - *as with most of your posts I have no clue what you are babbling about* - not that I read most of your posts...

But again if you think I'm doing something because you say so - well you're highly deluded.

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Clarissa, you do not need the TOS for everything.


Then stop trying to change it.

There. Sorted.
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