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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:34
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Thats a Nicer ferret:-)
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Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 19:34
From: Melodie Darwin
Wow, so THIS is what we have to look forward to in a "sanitized for your protection" SL? Forget tolerance. There was no stunt. There is currently nothing on Zindra other than a land rating.

SL is becoming a sad, shallow, intolerant place with statements like this. This whole thread is advocating intolerance to an entire section of SL. Last I looked, the only gatekeepers on SL are the ones with Linden in the last name.

The moral uppity superiority of late is sickening to read. My apologies to Mari and other kid avies on behalf of the rational and tolerant SL I hope is not dying.


its not about Sanitizing SL
its about being responsible adults and taken responsiblity for your actions. Like or not its not a rose colored world out there and our actions in and out of SL effect others.
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06-22-2009 19:36
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06-22-2009 19:37
From: Kokoro Fasching
Looking at how well she has been visited by the titty fairy, I would not call her a child. While she might be late teens, she is no child at all.

but she is ruining a purrfectly good pair of Bax boots.
Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:38
From: Melodie Darwin
Wow, so THIS is what we have to look forward to in a "sanitized for your protection" SL? Forget tolerance. There was no stunt. There is currently nothing on Zindra other than a land rating.
Adult Content will be being sanitized from the mainland. This does not seem to irk you in any way. But keeping child avatars away from said adult content as best we can has you outraged.
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Last I looked, the only gatekeepers on SL are the ones with Linden in the last name.
We pay the gatekeepers salaries.
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The moral uppity superiority of late is sickening to read. My apologies to Mari and other kid avies on behalf of the rational and tolerant SL I hope is not dying.
It is not dying - just going to their respective corners of the grid to co-exist in peace.
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06-22-2009 19:40
From: Minx Eisenhart
what about the childern in RL that are effected by child avis in an adult sim wakening somthing in a sick person that might not have been awoken if it wasnt for child AVI"s in dirrect or close contact with sexual content in adult regions. Its Not a faw streatch to think there are sick people in SL that know they are and stay away from places where child avi;s might be, but when you allow child avis into a place they shouldnt be (ADULT regions) your putting RL children at risk.
No.
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Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 19:41
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
No.

Denial isnt a river honey
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06-22-2009 19:42
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:42
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
No.
This is your best post
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:43
From: Argent Stonecutter
FERRETS!
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Melodie Darwin
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06-22-2009 19:44
From: Minx Eisenhart
its not about Sanitizing SL
its about being responsible adults and taken responsiblity for your actions. Like or not its not a rose colored world out there and our actions in and out of SL effect others.



It is about sanitizing SL. LL hopes that separating content will appeal to schools and businesses where the random nakedness would be an issue otherwise. From the looks of the forums lately, its instead bringing out the church ladies and their "protect us from ourselves." (Thought police).

Until there is actual content, there should not be any restrictions. Has anybody talked to the guy in the giant penis outfit? Or were the church ladies just focused on the easy target to pile on? It was the opening of new land. Not the opening of new content on that land.

An open house is just that. Any shame and blame or continued harassment of kid avies is putting the sanitized cart WAAAAAAAAY before the horse.
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06-22-2009 19:44
From: Minx Eisenhart
Denial isnt a river honey
I deny nothing. I simply reject the notion that some mass rapist will have his or her brain ticked by a pixel kid walking on a street while the top of the client window says (Adult). So... No.
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 19:44
From: Lias Leandros
THIS WILL NOT END WELL


All your posts on this matter read like veiled threats to Linden Labs.

If it doesn't "end well" it won't be for lack of some of you trying. How many pages now have you exhausted yourself trying to keep this issue on page one?
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06-22-2009 19:50
From: Kokoro Fasching
Looking at how well she has been visited by the titty fairy, I would not call her a child. While she might be late teens, she is no child at all.


Actually I see quite a few girls walking home from our local high school that do not appear too different from her.

Remembering my own teens, the "titty fairy" visited some of my classmates in junior high. I am still waiting.
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06-22-2009 19:51
From: Ian Nider
SL is not a babysitting service for fucking insane, go beat yourself up instead innocent people. You're a pathetic nasty bitter piece of shit. Go to hell.


Oh my!

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Minx Eisenhart
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06-22-2009 19:51
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I deny nothing. I simply reject the notion that some mass rapist will have his or her brain ticked by a pixel kid walking on a street while the top of the client window says (Adult). So... No.


you can reject all you want but a spade is still a spade even if you call it that shovel yoru digging a hole with.

yeah I dont denie that for 90% of the mass rapists out there that that isnt going to send them over the edge. they are already there.

but what do you tell that lil girl at home whoes uncle has been fighting his unhealthy thoughts then one night of drinking hes sitting in SL on the adult grid not even thinking of her and out walking back and forth between sex clubs on Zinda and here come this child avi that looks just like his niece. and it breaks that last thread of humanity he had.

he knew he was only holding on by a thread and tried his best to stay away from sims where child avis are but after bing in adult brothel after brother there she is in the adult sim.
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:52
From: Melodie Darwin
It is about sanitizing SL. LL hopes that separating content will appeal to schools and businesses where the random nakedness would be an issue otherwise. From the looks of the forums lately, its instead bringing out the church ladies and their "protect us from ourselves." (Thought police).
The Church Ladies were always here. These are not the first complaints about child avatars and appropriate behavior in Second Life over years. But this time the voices are louder - and with this distinction of Adult and PG now - the voices will be getting louder every time a Child Avatar person steps over the line. Ignorance is not a defense.
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Until there is actual content, there should not be any restrictions.
Your wrong. And when you all use gray area thinking like that to do things in SL that are dispicable - someone is going to call you on it. Episodes like this test the TOS and make it more and more binding for everyone.
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Has anybody talked to the guy in the giant penis outfit?p
Yeah, I'm dating him.
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It was the opening of new land. Not the opening of new content on that land.
Advertised as the opening of a Adult Continent.
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An open house is just that. Any shame and blame or continued harassment of kid avies is putting the sanitized cart WAAAAAAAAY before the horse.
Obviously your wrong.
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06-22-2009 19:53
From: Minx Eisenhart
you can reject all you want but a spade is still a spade even if you call it that shovel yoru digging a hole with.

yeah I dont denie that for 90% of the mass rapists out there that that isnt going to send them over the edge. they are already there.

but what do you tell that lil girl at home whoes uncle has been fighting his unhealthy thoughts then one night of drinking hes sitting in SL on the adult grid not even thinking of her and out walking back and forth between sex clubs on Zinda and here come this child avi that looks just like his niece. and it breaks that last thread of humanity he had.

he knew he was only holding on by a thread and tried his best to stay away from sims where child avis are but after bing in adult brothel after brother there she is in the adult sim.
Lofty and insane paranoia, at best. So... No.
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06-22-2009 19:53
From: Minx Eisenhart
Your brought it on yourself.
[...]
did you ever think of that wiith your lil stunt?

Ok, I know I said I was signing off, but I'm afraid I must respond to this post.

Minx, I think that the argument that you and others are making is a reasonable one, even if I disagree with it.

HOWEVER, where I come from, we have a term for THIS sort of response: it's called "blaming the victim." Should Mari have been in Zindra? I don't know, really. Should she have left the moment the giant penis arrived? Maybe. But what is absolutely clear to me is that if she erred, it was with mistakes of omission, rather than commission. And they were mistakes, not "stunts."

There is no essential difference between your argument, and the response to the rape victim that suggests that she was "asking for it" for it because she was wearing provocative clothing, or went to the "wrong part of town," or dared stay out past midnight. The victim may have been unwise, even foolish, but to argue that she "brought it on herself" is to transfer the guilt from the victimizer to the victim. NO one "deserves" to be harassed. No one.

Lias: I agree entirely that these threads should not be shut down because of the response or experiences of one person. I have actually learned a great deal from this thread myself; I am grateful for all of the arguments I have heard. But this is getting very nasty indeed.
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06-22-2009 19:55
Minx, were that fictitious 'uncle' so inclined - *he could already do that and still can after Zindra opens* - there are child avs all over Second Life not to mention other places - but I doubt most are that imaginative. Unfortunately there are sites catering to such things all over the 'net.

Also, you're saying a pedophile would ignore a real life child in his care but go for a pixel? A bit of a far reach. And I'm against virtual depictions of pedophilia, for the record...but your example is reaching a bit and ignoring several things. As a reason to ban child avs from Zindra it holds no water.

If you knew thing one about pedophiles you'd know he was probably sitting home doing about the same watching kids on tv, the internet, even Sears catalogs. There is nothing new OR magical about "Zindra" that is going to spark something that wasn't already there.
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06-22-2009 19:55
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Lofty and insane paranoia, at best. So... No.


Must be nice to have rose colored glasses on though oout the day.
the world is a big place and terrible things happen like that every minute. why help them happen and not show alil adult decentcy
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Lias Leandros
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06-22-2009 19:56
From: Clarissa Lowell
All your posts on this matter read like veiled threats to Linden Labs.
Clarissa's back:-)
Then please gather all the 'THIS WILL NOT END WELLS' in these forums - put them on a spread sheet with the authors name in the right hand column. We have to weed out this dissent.
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If it doesn't "end well" it won't be for lack of some of you trying. How many pages now have you exhausted yourself trying to keep this issue on page one?
You can post in 'Ignore this and let it die' thread to push that one back up if the sight of this one is disturbing to you. But not until you complete your assignment.
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-22-2009 19:56
Do some of you think because you imagine it, it's actually true?

I want some of whatever you are smoking.

(ETA) Lias - I have no idea what you are rambling about (this time) but all I can say is:

"you're not the boss'a me!"

/me rolls eyes and sighs

PS nice deflection of the actual point...AGAIN.

PPS Wish anyone could say "Lias is back" - not possible since you seem to have moved in here and set up a tent.
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06-22-2009 19:58
From: Lias Leandros
The Church Ladies were always here. These are not the first complaints about child avatars and appropriate behavior in Second Life over years. But this time the voices are louder - and with this distinction of Adult and PG now - the voices will be getting louder every time a Child Avatar person steps over the line. Ignorance is not a defense.
Your wrong. And when you all use gray area thinking like that to do things in SL that are dispicable - someone is going to call you on it. Episodes like this test the TOS and make it more and more binding for everyone.
Yeah, I'm dating him.
Advertised as the opening of a Adult Continent.
Obviously your wrong.


How am I wrong? The way this reads, then your boyfriend put the penis on as a stunt because he saw Mari there and was only acting as a puppet for The Church Ladies.

There is no line because there is no content there. An empty sim rated adult versus an empty sim rated PG is still just grass.
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