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                     Lias Leandros 
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                         06-22-2009 16:48 
                        From: Patasha Marikh Because he's not interacting with her.  Why should he leave if he and she are not interacting? Again.. HE WASN'T INTERACTING WITH HER!  There was no roleplay going on.  Are you really this dense or are you just trolling? This is where the moral slider comes in. I say a simulation of a small child unaccompanied to a party standing in the vicinity of a  nude woman is wrong. And you think it is just fine. _________________________________ extreme area' boundary isn't a good one to push. Rights 'fought for' or to be 'gained': ~ Representing oneself as a kid in an area generally understood to be extreme. Even if that characterisation isn't entirely accurate (say it's a 'safe zone' or 'hub' or whatever, near said extreme land) Potential consequences: ~ Incredibly bad publicity, crazed congressmen taking up causes, foreign lawsuits, blocked grid access by country, ridiculous new laws.  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 16:49 
                        From: Lias Leandros Hmmm, a German child avatar? And to that I say common sense and common decency should prevail over some guy that wants to RP as a small child in a area clearly marked Adult. This one little Faux Pas caused all of this. Pay attention. Common decency is an odd phrase to use when it wasn't the German child avatar who was naked and playing with themselves in a public area. As he stated, he didn't want to see sexual content, he wanted to see a brand new shiny Linden build that was billed as a sneak preview of how the land lies, not how the land will lie when everyone moves in. You know the difference Lias, people shouldn't be engaging in adult activity in the monorail station. There's a time and a place for adult activity and Zindra will offer many places, the monorail station really isn't one of them.  
                        
                    
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                        06-22-2009 16:53 
                        Has anyone actually moved over there as yet. I have a ticket in but have not heard a word. I'll kick the kids off my land with pleasure,no problem but i'd atleast like to be there to do it. 
                        
                    
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                     Patasha Marikh 
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                         06-22-2009 16:54 
                        From: Lias Leandros This is where the moral slider comes in. I say a simulation of a small child unaccompanied to a party standing in the vicinity of a  nude woman is wrong. And you think it is just fine. Yep you are a troll.  That's twice now you have twisted "my thoughts" and told me what I am thinking. plonk! (That's the sound of you going into my bozo filter. Which really is JUST FINE.)  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 16:56 
                        From: Lias Leandros When Linden Lab makes the continent of Zindra PG then I will stop saying it is Adult. Just because some kid avatar setups a orphanage with a child avatar playground in Zindra - I can set up a strip club on the parcel right next door - because the rating CAN be PG there but it CAN go all the way up to Adult. Why you insist upon invading a area clearly flagged as a place that no one should RP as a small child in is something that is hard to understand. 'Because I can' is a lame reason. You put us all in danger of loosing what we have paid for and worked so hard for - and all because you refuse to change your avatar in a Adult marked area.
  These are similar to the same massive page conversations we used to have with the adfarmers. i put you at no risk and i am no add farmer or child avatar..call it what you want..call it super duper extra fantastic adult rated continet if you want..i'm just saying..it won't change a thing.. i don't see tons of people in here too worried about the move to zindra..it's over it's happening ..quit crying over spilled milk..if your only defense is you are hurt..well sh#t happens guess it was your turn this time..people want to run around with their doinks hanging out taking picks next to every child avatar that comes to that continent ..then go ahead let them risk their own account and find out what the real rating is since words are not working..  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 16:57 
                        From: Argent Stonecutter Zindra will not end well
  Child avatars or no.
  The whole plan was made of fail from the start. We agree on something!  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 16:57 
                        From: Lias Leandros This is where the moral slider comes in. I say a simulation of a small child unaccompanied to a party standing in the vicinity of a  nude woman is wrong. And you think it is just fine... As a mater of fact. I do.  Because nudity is not sex.  Dancing is not sex.  Nudity + dancing is not sex.  (^_^) So... I'll be over here in this parcel.  You go over there in that parcel.  You're not invited to my party. (^_^)y  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:01 
                        From: shadow Pawpaw Has anyone actually moved over there as yet. I have a ticket in but have not heard a word. I'll kick the kids off my land with pleasure,no problem but i'd atleast like to be there to do it. It's not open for settling yet.  Landswaps have not started.  Just a pretty empty continent with strange Men In Black stuctures where they are stockpiling the aliens.  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:01 
                        From: Qie Niangao It's clear that you and others think it will help.  I don't understand why you think that.  Sure, there are scenarios that would be embarrassing in the press (if SL ever got press attention again), and some could occur with child avatars on Zindra.  But even within the tiny subset of such scenarios that involve child avatars, the vast majority of them will occur on private Mature parcels--with or without an Adult Content policy.  It's fretting over such a minuscule bit of the potential problem that it just has no measurable benefit. I am saying that ignorance is a defense for LL if it occurs elsewhere. But for it to occur in a area clearly marked adult on every parcel, clearly advertised by LL within SL and on the internet as a Adult Continent - would cause more outrage. This is not the only forum on this incident right now. And if you think that things like this happening in Zindra will just go away  you are in for a rude awakening. From: someone The point is that it's absurdly futile to worry about the PR / legal implications of child and adult avatars on the same continent when the current wave of popular moralistic handwringing is over remote contact such as "sexting" that cannot be addressed by rearranging content and avatars on the grid. It is not futile to update the TOS and let folks know that they cannot wear human child avatars in Zindra. Linden Lab can show the world that they are concerned about depictions of children on their servers or they can keep up this 'free will' agenda and do damage control and respond to forced changes. From: someone What *can* be addressed--and what is LL's stated objective here--is the aesthetics of non-Adult land.  They aim to make it more appealing to a certain group of potential customers by getting the Adult stuff out of sight.  The measure is not effective against these "child porn" allegations; that was never its intent, and it cannot be made effective against it with the proposed post hoc tweaking. I believe its a good start. From: someone We'll just have to agree to disagree about LL's ability to stave off any issue by barring child avatars from Zindra.  I think it would make no difference whatsoever, and at significant cost to the diversity of content on Zindra and the grid as a whole.  Others seem to think otherwise. That is what the adfarmers said about adjusting the TOS to police their activities on the main grid. The adfarmers lost rights - and they are still crying about it. Child Avatar people would loose nothing - they can access everywhere - just not in a child avatar  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 17:01 
                        From: Abigail Merlin Once again from the CS:
  mosh monorail station roads dam river and the infohubs are NOT private land so can not contain sex or even nudety, therefor there is no reason to limit any type of avatar from visiting those public lands, furthermore there is NO private land at zindra. you have been told often enough Adult rating will be what is Mature right now and there are no problems on Mature land with child av friendly builds and sexualised builds in the same sim on different parcels, stop looking for problems that do not exist, especialy by making up things. There is also no Mature land on Zinda so that claim is False that the GCS apply. no where does it mention adult Regions only PG and Mature.  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:03 
                        From: Ceka Cianci people want to run around with their doinks hanging out taking picks next to every child avatar that comes to that continent ..then go ahead let them risk their own account and find out what the real rating is since words are not working.. How does one risk their account taking nude pictures with child avatars in Zindra?  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 17:04 
                        From: Sweetness Sharple There is also no Mature land on Zinda so that claim is False that the GCS apply. no where does it mention adult Regions only PG and Mature. Because it's not stipulated in the TOS/CS just yet, the sims are to be considered unrated.  Please read back to prior posts in order to understand how unrated land in SL is to be treated. (^_^)y  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:05 
                        From: Sweetness Sharple There is also no Mature land on Zinda so that claim is False that the GCS apply. no where does it mention adult Regions only PG and Mature. global standards are what make it apply  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:07 
                        From: Sweetness Sharple There is also no Mature land on Zinda so that claim is False that the GCS apply. no where does it mention adult Regions only PG and Mature. Right. That CS was written for PG and Mature - Adult ratings did not exist when this was written. LL is writing up their Adult rules as we speak (classified no-no words etc.) We need to let them know about our concerns while they are penning this new document.  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 17:08 
                        From: Lias Leandros This is where the moral slider comes in. Can you get that at White Castle?  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:08 
                        From: Lias Leandros How does one risk their account taking nude pictures with child avatars in Zindra? Well...  If any Gteam Lindens are smart enough to understand what entrapment is.... Harassment is against the TOS/CS.  (^_^)y  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:08 
                        From: shadow Pawpaw Has anyone actually moved over there as yet. I have a ticket in but have not heard a word. I'll kick the kids off my land with pleasure,no problem but i'd atleast like to be there to do it. Tickets are open now? What category did you file your ticket under?  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 17:09 
                        From: Argent Stonecutter Can you get that at White Castle? Even if you can... I doubt it's Kosher. =^-^=  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:09 
                        From: Imnotgoing Sideways Well...  If any Gteam Lindens are smart enough to understand what entrapment is.... Harassment is against the TOS/CS.  (^_^)y What does the Gteam have to do with picture taking of nude adults standing next to child avatars in Zindra?  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 17:10 
                        From: Argent Stonecutter Can you get that at White Castle? mmmmm Morality Bombers.  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:10 
                        From: Lias Leandros What does the Gteam have to do with picture taking of nude adults standing next to child avatars in Zindra? Gteam: Linden Governance team.  The ones who respond to ARs.  Realistically, the ones who are responsible for investigation and handling TOS/CS violations. (^_^) I have a picture of Socrates with his hand on my boober. =^-^=  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:11 
                        From: Lias Leandros Representing oneself as a kid in an area generally understood to be extreme. Zindra is not an extreme area now. If it BECOMES one, then you won't see the people you're flaming driving their kid toons there. If it becomes something else, you will. Either way, if some random whacko drives their kid toon to an extreme scene, you can AR them, and they don't even have to be in Zindra for it to stick. The extra limitation you're pushing for isn't necessary, and could even backfire on you.  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:11 
                        From: Lias Leandros How does one risk their account taking nude pictures with child avatars in Zindra? just saying..it's not even child avatars alone..it's anyone can AR anyone that is not following the rules.. if there is someone having sex at the info hub or road or where ever and get ar'd it's their own doing.. you say full continent rating...i say whatever..believe what you want..  
                        
                    
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                         06-22-2009 17:15 
                        From: Ciaran Laval Common decency is an odd phrase to use when it wasn't the German child avatar who was naked and playing with themselves in a public area. Yeah, I see your point. But since it was clearly the opening of what Linden Lab called Zindra the new ADULT Continent' The female fit in just fine (One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong - can you guess which thing is not like the other - before I finish my song). Sesame Street song. Learned that when I was a child also. From: someone As he stated, he didn't want to see sexual content, he wanted to see a brand new shiny Linden build that was billed as a sneak preview of how the land lies, not how the land will lie when everyone moves in. He also stated that he thought about wearing an adult avatar - but decided to just be there as a child. I do not understand how wearing a certain avatar would skew the decision making process of a adult person. From: someone You know the difference Lias, people shouldn't be engaging in adult activity in the monorail station. There's a time and a place for adult activity and Zindra will offer many places, the monorail station really isn't one of them. Well I do not agree. Linden Lab needs to send someone over there and change that land rating where the monorail is to PG. But the child avatars should not be on any of the Linden owned or resident owned parcels marked Adult.  
                        
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                         06-22-2009 17:16 
                        lets just slow down and think alil there is going to be alot of sex shops lingerie and fetish stores in zinda people walking arouond with there bits in a sling or vise and tattoos that say Suck slave and other things like that, LL made Zinda to allow this type of behavior in public for the adult comunity. If they did not do it to allow this in public its just mature land that you need to be verifed to be on. 
  Now seeing as they will be allowing this type of behavoir in public and it is explicitly sexual behavoir, and LL's tos states that child AVI's can not be in the proximity of explict sexually behavior. Its a Fair guess that Child Avis will be baned from Zinda. Or like Sweetness Shaprle Posted you will have them running around the streets drinking or doing what ever wating to get picked up pby predo's 
                        
                    
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