So why are kids on Zindra?

Yes this did need to be posted. It was discussed quite a few pages back though.

The Mosh Island Infohub parcel is owned by Linden Lab. The parcel is 17,552 Meters. A representative of Linden Lab went through the steps to click the ABOUT LAND tab, OPTIONS and then the ANY CATEGORY drop-down box and they knowingly chose to set that Linden owned parcel as ADULT rated.

and apparently you and Lias chose to ignore it entirely

I feel it is a disturbing fantasy to knowingly RP as an unaccompanied eight-year-old child walking down a street lined with sex toy shops, strip joints and pubs.

Maybe so, if you actually have a fantasy about that, but even if you do it's not illegal and it's not against the ToS...

On the other hand walking across a PG street between a PG furniture store and a PG residence isn't any kind of "fantasy", it's just "going home after shopping". Whether there's A, R, X, or H-rated content elsewhere in the sim out of clear sight of the kid toon is irrelevant.

I did not miss anything. I see that Linden Land, clearly marked Adult can be used to AR adults content avatars in Zindra. I already stated that. And I said that is a mixed message sent out by Linden Lab and it needs to be fixed. And you do not agree with what I said. Now we are both on the same page again.
The Mosh Island Infohub parcel is owned by Linden Lab. The parcel is 17,552 Meters. A representative of Linden Lab went through the steps to click the ABOUT LAND tab, OPTIONS and then the ANY CATEGORY drop-down box and they knowingly chose to set that Linden owned parcel as ADULT rated. You all keep saying the parcel rating supercedes the continent rating - well there it is (waiting for new excuse why child avatars are knowingly going to a parcel marked Adult)
In your little made-up reality I assume you would feel it was ok for child avatars to go dance with adults on Adult Rated parcels as long as everyone is dressed (or with you, not dressed) and no Adult content was in sight. And this is where LL needs to step in and make sure you understand that Adult Content providers do NOT want to interact with child avatars on Adult marked areas.

Grey area easily exploited by child avatars. Linden Lab needs to fix the grey areas in the TOS around this issue.

Your interpretation differs from my own.

Yes this did need to be posted. It was discussed quite a few pages back though.

Moesha we disagree on the interpretation of the law. I do feel that it is applicable to this situation.

I don't believe the monorail station in Mosh is actually an infohub. It's not marked as such, and if the no naughty business signs present in other Adult infohubs are present, they are well hidden.

The only infohubs in Adult regions I'm aware of are Arapaima and Ortiz.

Your interpretation differs from my own.

* Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. (This is also known as the (S)LAPS test- [Serious] Literary, Artistic, Political, Scientific.)

anyone who knowingly:...

...any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains

and this is exactly why the Miller Test should have stricter standards.

Okay, I don't have a dog in this hunt, other than I'll be living on Adult world.. but here's what I take away from the Miller Test and where there there would be difficulty in applying the "child pornography label to child avatars there.

First the Miller Test part 3 again:



That means that just someone seeing the child avatar there does not warrant an implementation of other aspects of the law.. because 'seeing' is not taking into account the "work, taken as a whole". So that hits a stop, unless you want to gamecam the entire session to capture the 'whole' and then ask the participants for their chat logs. Now next. The law itself states:



Well first off.. all avatars in SL are by LL TOS over 18. So we are all safe to assume that anyone we interact with is over 18 so we are not knowingly interacting with a child. The person playing the avatar would have to state "oh btw I'm really a child in RL too." Which I am sure would lead to a mass exodus around them and a flood of AR's in LL's inbox.

Now if you take a bunch of snapshots of kiddie avatars doing naughty things and post them on flickr.. which does not make use of LL's TOS so people there who are not familiar with SL could be lead to believe that those are children doing the dirty.. there I can see you getting yourself into a sling.

In a nutshell. Kid avatars in a VW where everyone is 'known' to be over 18 would not constitute Child Porn, but exporting individual images for presentation in another media would be, since those individual images would be "the whole".

I'm afraid i don't quite grasp what you are driving at here. Are you saying that it is OK for a child avi to Cyber sex?

I'm afraid i don't quite grasp what you are driving at here. Are you saying that it is OK for a child avi to Cyber sex?

I'm afraid i don't quite grasp what you are driving at here. Are you saying that it is OK for a child avi to Cyber sex?

I think this part of the debate is whether or not Child Porn law would be applicable.

Not in SL. It's a violation of the CS. (^_^)y

Most definately. It is also a possible violation of US law. Enough for a warrant to be sworn. A good defense attorney would beat that rap, or at least get a conviction overturned as long as all involved parties are indeed adult.

Defense would be that it was age play (the real world kind). Like when the wife dresses up like a cheerleader or whatever.

Oddly enough, a drawing of the same sort of scene would most likely lead to an upheld conviction, despite the fact that no real people are depicted.

Wrong. Here are some real world examples of depictions of underage sexuality available in U.S. retail stores right now:

Yubisaki Milk Tea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yubisaki_Milk_Tea Revolves almost completely around teen characters, one in particular still in jrHigh. All are dealing with a lot of sexual tension, get themselves quite involved. The Manga is rife with nude scenes. To top it off, the jrHigh girl dreams of growing larger breasts (usually graphically depicted) in order to replace her mother and please her father. ... I'm up to Volume7 so far. (^_^)

Chobits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobits One of the main characters, Chii, is described as depicting a 16 year old girl... Is infrequently nude... And is depicted at imitating poses as seen in porn videos and magazines. Eventually, she gets tricked into modelling for a live webcam strip feed and only quit when masturbation was suggested. ... I have the DVD set, Manga both from U.S. and Japan, wall scrolls, figures, posters... Ah, stuff it all... It's my favorite series. =^-^=

Saikano: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saikano Teens again... Still in school. Since they're facing the end of the world, they tend to have no problem having sex here and there, both orally and.. well.. you know. Great story though... Many scenes brought me to tears and the ending left me in a funk for weeks. (>_<

Pretty Baby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Baby_(film) Violet, pretty much the main character of the story, is a 12 year old growing up in a 1917 brothel. She’s pretty much involved in all the operations of the house and is in scenes involving sex, loading an opium pipe, and gets her virginity auctioned off for her 13th birthday. Mind you, here character was portrayed by the then 12 year old Brooke Shields. (^_^)

Lolita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita .... Heh... ‘nuff said. (^_^)

So, when referencing local policy in Linden Lab's Second Life. Realize that it is not indicative of any actual legal issues in the U.S. Otherwise, Barnes&Noble, Waldenbooks, and Amazon.com is surely due for state and federal prosecution for distributing the books and movies I've mentioned above. (^_^)y

*sigh*... It looks like I have to repeat myself and cite the same examples again. (=_=)

According to the release notes and other documentation, it's not possible to have a parcel in an adult sim to show in search as anything but adult. That pulldown is setting how the parcel will show in search. It has no bearing on the content of the parcel other than how it shows in search, and according to the release notes it's not possible for it to have any other value.

You're pointing to a setting that is simply irrelevant to your argument, or you're making up meaning that doesn't apply.

Are these videos or magazines?

And, yes, *(NUDE) dancing ~IS~ okay between child and adult avatars. PG, Mature, or Adult land. *(NUDE) Dancing is not sex. Kid AVs are restricted from sex. Kid AVs are NOT restricted from *(NUDE) dancing. And, just because they're *(NUDE) dancing with adults, it doesn't mean the *(NUDE) dance automatically turns into sex. If that were true, imagine all the pornographic fodder those McDonald's commercials would be. Ronald McDonald is a pedo!!! (O_O)

Movies, books, comics, imported TV series on DVD, and even broadcast on Cartoon Network. (^_^)y