So why are kids on Zindra?

Your a member of a group that rallied to make Linden Lab re-write the TOS to ban adfarming - yet your slinging out comments like 'superiority complex' and 'moral majority'. Your a complex creature
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Well if you cannot read anything into the level of outrage for the last few days over the child avatar going to Zindar - then get ready for more of the same.

It refers to American politics in the 1980's where the right wing Christian agenda was foisted on everybody else. Kinda like SL's Church Ladies. The full saying is that the moral majority is neither moral nor a majority.

(Refer back to Immy's post about "first they came for..." if this still is not clear.)

It seems that in this case the reference does not apply.

We know first hand 'first they came for' We are being forceably corralled into Zindra. You do not shed a tear for us. But you use the same argument so some people can wear child avatars in a Adult Continent. Ignoring what the repercussions of what you want.

Linden Lab decided to move her away from the regular mainland. Child avatars should not be following her to where she is allowed to exist. Unless they want her sitting in their playgrounds (nooooo!)

Yep. It was a fight for the mainland against the use of small parcels, glowing spewing towers etc. Changing the TOS against a behavior that was making entire continents uninhabitable is not the same as advocating harassment and intolerance against other avies. You refer to a thread but not particular posts. I stand by everything I did during the battle.

Again, adfarming is not the issue. But if you had been reading the violence against women thread, I made mention of having stood up for what I believed in. I said to the op that having a strong view point is one thing. It also requires the action to back it up.

Those who stoop to kicking people when they are down, thought police, and general FOX News sensationalism are those with superiority complexes and who think they are the moral majority.

The legitimacy their arguments had gets lost when they fight that way.

Yes, it does. This is just the next whipping post following the violence thread for an agenda to remove fantasies in a fantasy world. If it isn't your fantasy then it must be objectionable.

The sensationalistic, blind dogma, irrational tactics are the same used by the '80s moral majority.

This is simply about not sexualizing the image of children. This is not a right wing crusade or whatever it is that you've conjured up in your mind to dismiss the entire argument.

As do we Melodie.
But you did not mind the antics of teh Arbor project just as long as you won. And I do not expect you to defend your group's actions in here - or some broke adfarmer will find this thread and get involved. Needless to say - folks that believe in something never see their actions to achieve it as wrong.

Again, the "we" you refer to?

I have no issue with an empty adult continent being open to anyone to see it. It is very different from what other continents have looked like. Once the parcels have owners who begin moving their content, then it should be up to LL to decide restrictions in protected land (welcome areas etc). Individual parcel owners should be allowed to think for themselves and set their individual restrictions.

As for separating content, I have no issue with it. It does mean people have to think about what and where they have things out on the rest of the mainland. Its annoying but with absolute freedom comes absolute responsibility.

Zindra as just a continent is pretty, but contrived. I think it is a lame set up that could have been done better- around 6 years ago. It is what it is.

Getting LL to change anything takes years. And rational arguments. The opening of Zindra doesn't have that kind of time. I have yet to see rational arguments from the thought police.

Your last sentence is fairly muddled but most rational adults see and know the consequences of their actions. That is the issue I have with this thread. Whether it is violence against women, child avies, or furries next week it is some agenda to police the thoughts of others.

The "scandal" in this is no different than the person who kept carrying on during Jack's office hours about child avies on mature land (The Linden Estate Services sim.)

The lack of rational argument and the desire to police the thoughts of others in whatever the cause of the week is won't change the TOS.

Actually finally found something that I can (sort of) agree with Lias on. As one who counts on mainland rentals to cover tier and expenses, the whole adult thing is a problem for me. I am very sure that I am not alone in this.

I don't own brothels or sex shops, but I really don't want to have to monitor my tenants private lives either. For this reason I only own mature parcels.

I would not qualify to put in a Zindra ticket (although that is being heavily scammed), nor actually want to be there.

Mel - do you not see the other 2 or three people posting here in favor of not allowing child avatars into Zindra?
Said the arbor project activist. Hypocrite much?
Agreed. And WE want the child avatars to be responsible enough to change into anything else before they enter the Adult Continent of Zindra
Luckily your not apart of the decision making because you have absolutely nothing at stake in this.

I hope everyone still here realizes that unless you're talking to a person who's name ends in Linden it's all pretty much just wasted time. I mean if you were to suddenly win this thread what will happen in Zindra? It'll go exactly as the Lindens planned it.

The solution is actually quite simple. Announce there is free ice cream and a giant bubble making machine in Nautilus and then set up some signs at the Zindra infohubs announcing that math tutoring will be available all over the continent.

steps back in the thread..

well said

I have not had much interaction with the child community here in sl, i am just curious is this how the majority of the child community stands on the issue of children being naked with adults or is it just Imnotgoing way of seeing it, I am just trying to decide where i stand on this issue, not attacking anyone




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Originally Posted by Lias Leandros
This is where the moral slider comes in. I say a simulation of a small child unaccompanied to a party standing in the vicinity of a nude woman is wrong. And you think it is just fine...



Originally Posted by Imnotgoing
In my own point of view - As long as it's virtual: it flys. (^_^)

Originally Posted by Imnotgoing
Actually... Blondin and a few others have been clear. Nudity does not equal sex, sexuality, or lewd behavior. So, nudity in a nudist’s/naturist’s context is not (Adult) material. The sim is (Mature) and the rules are clear. Sure, it’s unpolupar. But, so are most real life naturist organizations. In the end, it’s just pixels. Give it the unimportance it deserves. (^_^)y

Originally Posted by Imnotgoing
Considering LL's (Sexual)ageplay stance is worded to address sex and lewd behaviour, the context balances that mere nudity and dancing doesn't apply. (^_^)

Community minded much? The decision making regarding Zindra is already done. Regardless of who has what stake, what content is allowed anywhere in SL affects the entire community. 2 or 3 people does not a majority make.

Of course that is not true. Customer discussion sometimes influences policy. That is the way things work around here. If we had not said anything there would not be a ticket system offered to us for the New Adult Continent. It would have been a free-for-all.

Don't be silly. Why would you rally for adfarming rules if you believed that no Linden policy can be ammended or added?
This is not a vote. Or a clique. We do not need a majority to voice our concerns and be heard.

Bonjour.

I've been concentrating so much on my Own Life in SL i was Unaware that they (LL) were constructng a Continent For Adult activities. I Did know that Adult activities were to be Moved to private Islands, and that, Quite Honestly, seems to me to be a Good idea.

I Live in One type of Adult Environment, so Obviously I'm Not against them at all, But i DO see the Point people have about Not wanting to Live next to them. I Myself Lived next to a strip Club, and didn't care for the Talk or Antics there Interfering with my quieter lifestyle.

SL as Originally established WAS for Adults Only. Now some people Do, in thier Minds Instantly Equate "Adult" or "Mature" with Blatent Open demonstrations of sexuality, But this is simply Not the Case. I remember in "The Sims Online" I lived in an Adults Only Home, and Yes the Central Theme of the House Reflected our Lifestyle, However, I remember One Instance where a Teen (Yes they roamed freely in TSO) Gained entry to Our Home, and Left shortly thereafter with the Parting words "You guys are like a Bunch of (Expletive deleted for decency's sake) Nuns!!". You see, In our environment, Nine Tenths of what Occurs does so below the surface. It would never be Openly displayed, But it IS Understood by all that it is going on. Sometimes, Adults want to be alone with Other Adults simply to share Common Ideas, and ideals in a Mature Fashion, without the presence of childish Histrionics.

The Good thing about this new environment is, as i see it, that it will end forever all debate here on the Forums Regarding adult activity in SL however subtle or overt, as those who do not wish to See or Partake of such things simply have to leave thier settings as they are and they will be Physicly prevented from ever entering an environment where they will be exposed to things they View as Offensive.
I don't REALLY believe this will Happen, But it's Nice to think that we will Finally have "A room of our own" where we Needn't worry about the neighbors.

Many people have said they don't want to see "That sort of thing" going on,, Ok, here's your Chance to Prove it. You have your Wish and the adult material is isolated, so let's see How long you can resist the temptation to Peek in.

Angel.

Thus negating your statement that I have no stake in this. I never said policies cant be amended. It doesn't have the years worth of fighting for a change kind of time that fighting against adfarming had. Lacking all rationality won't get concerns heard.

It doesn't mean others cannot disagree as well either.

This lovely person read some of this thread and still feels that Zindra is just for Adult Content. And Linden Lab is not making any effort to clear this up.

Only the people that dress as child avatars or deal with children RPers in SL took the time to research the TOS and CS to find some gray area so they can continue their antics in Zindra. These are the same types that continuously check their local laws around child porn and indecency to make sure they aren't breaking the law. I am amazed that people have these laws memorized and can recite them anytime. Most people do not have to make sure they are not breaking the law. Common decency prevails and that keeps them on the right side of the law.

We do not need child avatars in the Adult Continent of Zindra. As Mari pointed out - a small handful of people aware of two being there for a short period of time are slightly outraged - and there was no content there at the time. If it happens again in July after we all move in - THIS WILL NOT END WELL.

I'm not the only one dancing. But, not everybody wants to dance. Surely, there is no one opinion. Regardless of community. (^_^)

What attracts you to the idea of nude children dancing?