Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

So? SL is a virtual WORLD, not a virtual America. If we threw off all the non-Americans, LL would probably go bust.

Also, there are no actual kids allowed on SL. The kid avs you see are actually grown up. I'm sure a few teens who are underage do slip into the grid, but you know what? They're probably the ones who look like muscle-bound 30 years olds.

Maybe you should suggest to Governor Linden that he set up a Committee for Un-American Activities, and restrict SL to the bigots that you think make up the majority. Put a JIRA up about it - if you get enough votes, you can have a little redneck SL all to yourself

I too have to stand with you on this one. And, maybe the majority 'here' who have spoken to this issue are right, maybe that speaks to me being narrow minded. If so, I am ok with that, on this issue. Outside of sorrow at just another piece of ammunition for the media to point to, and the nay-sayers to say 'SEE??? I TOLD YOU SL WAS JUST A PLACE FOR PERVS!!' Outside of that, I am ok with, as Immy suggested, just not visiting that place. I don't visit many places in SL, for the same or similar reasons, so this is just one more, it's not a big deal to me. What's a bigger deal is the perception of the masses, not only in America, but everyone who grasps onto the seedier media that is out there about SL and uses it to condemn the entire virtual world. And that, is a shame.

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I was nud in my late teens a fair bit too, skinny dips in this river we used to hang out at, there girls and guys, some of us couples and at "it" like rabbits half the time, but we naturally understood if it was a swim it wasn't sexual, it was just hanging out, it's not that hard to tell the difference.

It's about how good the water feels on your bod and how flipping free and good it is to run around in the nick.

Humans in RL present-day tribal communities in tropical regions often go mostly to totally unclothed. Their children run around, play, and interact completely nude, with both other children and adults. They don't seem to have any problems with it. However, you won't find pedophiles amongst their numbers, either. At least not ones who live for very long with their activities exposed to the light of day. They have learned the simple concept of separating behavior from nature.

I've never understood the taboo of nudity. We all are born nude. In fact, I tend to think that the taboo and concept of body modesty is overrated and self-perpetuating. The more clothing a society requires its members to wear in the name of the taboo, the more vehement the taboo and reaction to it being ignored. I also tend to think it leads to rather unrealistic and unkind perceptions of others and one's self.

I'm thankful being a Dragon in SL. I don't have to put up with this silliness (I do have to put up with a different kind of silliness, but it's nowhere near as prevalent or odious as the nudity taboo). I'm ALWAYS nude. I'm proud of my "body", not ashamed of it, and NO one should be worried about interacting with me because of it.

ASCIIrider I do not know you (but I did notice your rez day is the same as my RL Birthday ) When I glanced that thread in the xstreet forums I was really shocked. I had no idea that Linden Lab approved of this sort of thing. I have not been to your island and have no intention of going anywhere in SL that allows interaction like that with child avatars. I wonder how you will fare after the Adult rulings are enforced.

On that note I will leave it alone and hope it goes away.

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I stand to this.

Yeah those dying smokers with lung cancer telling their kids not to smoke, Ex-speeders in wheelchairs after they have had car accidents telling other people to slow down, Relatives of dead motorcyclists teling you to wear a helmet, Ex-drunk drivers telling their mates not to drive after drinking just because they killed someone, parents who have burnt their fingers on stoves telling kids not to touch the hot stove, damn control freaks...............

Is that really necessary?

Nude children on a beach in RL is not uncommon, the poor souls get hot, they need to be changed or run into the sea if they're a bit older, most people don't bat an eyelid.

If you're talking frolicking with nude children that's a different issue.

Does it make a difference if they're clothed? Why?

No, it doesn't. It could be just an aversion to it, as it is with me. It could also be that as a kid, I don't remember 'public nekky time'. I think people's experiences do shape them as adults, what does and doesn't go against them. I've noticed many of the 'freer' (is that a word, Pep?) thinkers here, have had experiences in their younger years of running around naked, or being with adults naked, etc. Ex smokers, drinkers, etc, I see that as hoping someone you love doesn't have to go through what you've gone through, making bad decisions earlier in life. It's hard to see your kids out there doing something that you know from experience will hurt them in the end.

I'll be dancing around child and adult avatars later tonight. The sim is (Mature) but, the parcel rules are (PG). I go there every friday night. "Interaction like that" will happen. Just with slightly more clothing... Very slightly... Particularly on my part. =^-^=

"Interaction like that" as it occurs on the beach is (PG) by nature. Only slightly (Mature) because of the nudity. It's called dancing. People do it at parties, weddings, bar mitzvahs, you name it. (^_^)

Now... Where's the "broadly offensive" part? (O.o)

If you still think so, come on by and AR everyone... It'll be on the Fisherman's Cove sim. (^_^)y

Don't forget playing "doctor"... Them's were discovering times. =^-^=

Nowdays kids have sexting... In my time, it was the Polaroid and our parents wondering why the film trays almost always seemed to be missing a page once in a while. (^_^)y

Actually no it doesn't, if the frolicking is inappropriate it doesn't matter if they're clothed or not.

I'm going to all the wrong weddings.

Umm maybe the broadly offensive means the "large" overweight av's? LOL

All this use of the word "Frolic".... (O.o)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/frolic

Frolic: Having fun and being merry. <<< !!!THAT!!! is broadly offensive?!?!?!?! (O_o)

For f***'s sake people. It's pink pixels simulating a little person dancing. What is your major malfunction!?!? (o_O)

I guess cavorting is out, but is gallivanting allowed?

How is it frolicking for ppl to be on a dance floor dancing to music, sometimes with a live DJ?

And I think the "malfunction" is nudism isn't for all, and a LOT do equate it with sex. So when you change clothing, or shower... it's sexual? When a parent gives their 5 year old a bath, they're having sex? And don't EVEN give me the "but it's their child" beause a lot of the pedos are doing their own kids!

I call that a bloody blast! XD

But... Well... In combat terms, that may be an (Adult) term now too. =^-^=

SL is created by an American company, but it is international and it's population is international, and the international community as acepting of naturism (whihc isn't nude beaches, btw). I think you would do better to keep your narrow-mindedness to yourself, although it's a bit late for that now.

Some years ago, I recall seeing some episode of some drama show on TV where the father was giving his baby daughter a bath when his wife came in; he was massaging his daughter's chest and when his wife asked him, he explained that he had heard that it would help her "develop better" there later on. They both then looked at each other in a panic, with the father saying something like "my god, am I molesting my own daughter???".

It gets to the point where it goes beyond ridiculous what people consider "child abuse" and "molestation".

I've lived/worked on a family farm off and on for many years. When foals/calves are born you handle them literally ALL over to get them used to human touch on all parts of their bodies. That doesn't mean you masturbate them, just innocently rub or stroke them once or twice on occasion. Later on in their lives, when the vet comes calling, you don't have a 1600 lb horse trying to kick the crap out of him when he has to stick his gloved arm well past the elbow inside for a gynecological exam. You also have to learn to properly handle male animals to assist them with breeding (cleaning them prior/post, hand breeding, collecting samples, etc). If they have not had that early imprinting of humans handling them, they can react with fear and can hurt you (or others) badly.

The difference between a good behavior and a bad one is intent, and whether it is harmful and/or coerced. So many get wound up over the most innocent of actions, just because "ZOMG! YOU TOUCHED THERE!". I find most of the prudish attitudes to be incredibly immature and extremely silly. How do I know? Because I used to be the worst prude imaginable. Age and experience teaches you just how silly many cultural/societal taboos can be, as well as how harmful they are, both physically, and psychologically.

Oh Desi, it pains me, as your secret greatest admirer and hoarder of some particular lovely magical tulips, to hear you say that... but... wait... yeah, I'm still not sorry

One last note. ASCIIrider has quite a few folks against pedophilia embedded in his group he does not know about. And they have quite a bit of intel on the Second Life Pedophilia community. Many of them were contacting me straight from that beach by sending me e-mails of chats of adult avatars offering child avatar on the beach to join them in bubble baths. I also received postcards sent to me of adult avatars nude with orphan child avatars nude dancing with them (quite disturbing).

ASCIIrider did tell me he would never put a child in his family in a room full of nude men - so there is some hope for him. ASCIIrider did also confirm that he was member of two communities in SL that were shut down for pedophilia by Linden Lab. And that those people that ran those groups are currently his friends and are now members of his group.

I told the group members against pedophilia sending me this information to create a blog and name all of the Pedos in SL on their blog and include the disturbing pictures they have taken (and they have very accurate logs - these peopel are very dedicated to getting these pedophiles out of Second Life). ASCIIrider believes that his attorneys can stop this - but I assured him they cannot. If Linden Lab cannot stop this maybe someone outside of Second Life can.

While I was talking to ASCIIrider I was told to look at one his current group member's profiles. She had a RL Picture and was not wearing any pants or underwear/ She was tied up in the Mud. This was her profile picture. She was currently on his beach with a gag ball in her mouth. Of course there were nude child avatars there. He admits the pedophiles come for the nude child avatars he invites to his group - but he will not stop inviting them - and he says he cannot control what happens on the beach when he is not there. Hopefully this blog being published can help him control the pedophilia that occurs at his place. A picture is worth a thousand words.

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Ya know, I should probably just let this one slide. But you know me, Smith Peel, voice of reason.

RL Sex with RL Children /does equal/ Bad, Criminal, Hellfire, What have you

SL Ageplay with Verified Soccer Moms /does not equal/ Pedophilia

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