Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

I know. But it's not happening (that I see anyway). I think because people are involved in some kind of investment be it a business or just a dam fine collection of freebies, they ARE actually pretty civilized in world, everyone has something to loose by being ARed and banned, hence the large voice in this string at the banning being the offensive thing.

Pressing the what ever animation ball is consensual, get it yet?

Define child rape. As LL is defining it, an adult portraying a 16 year old having sex with an adult is child rape, even though such fantasies are legal. If actually calling for sanity means defending child rape because of this, then you bet I don't think child rape is broadly offensive to the community. That does not mean, however, that I'm advocating somebody raping a one year old baby.

This thread has now deteriorated into the same old arguments about the same over discussed topics.

zomg!!! Ban Hamlet, Macbeth . . . the whole works of Shakespeare!

Pep (Full of depictions of nonconsensual violence)

Not to mention Lot giving his daughters to the townsfolks, Cain murdering his brother, John being beheaded, and some dude nailed live to a piece of wood and left to die...

Ok dear, let me walk you through this very slowly . . .

When pixels or paints, or crayons or what-have-you are arranged is certain mimetic ways, they are meant to be recognizable representations of things that occur in real life. They are not actually the SAME as those things, right? They are DEPICTIONS of them. So, were you to see a screen image of a squirrel, you would (probably?) KNOW that that is not an ACTUAL, RL squirrel, but rather a arrangement of pixels that REPRESENTED the real item.

This is called a DEPICTION or a REPRESENTATION.

Now, if an animation of a rape occurs on your screen, really really CLEVER people recognize that it is NOT an actual rape, but a DEPICTION of one.

What I was conceding, you see, is that a rape animation in SL IS probably consensual. And not "real" at all, but rather an artistic DEPICTION or REPRESENTATION of one. My objection to such a depiction has NOTHING to do with whether the action of clicking the animation ball was consensual or not . . . I have admitted that it probably IS. My objection, such as it is, is to the fact that it DEPICTS (NOT "really is" a rape. Consent doesn't really enter into it one way or another.

This is all very complicated, I know . . .

Only for you, it seems.

Pep (Depictions *aren't* the real thing; they don't matter.)

lets not get into the grey area of teenage sex, it's just a grey area, there will always be one. Children in my opinion are pre-teenagers, the fact is there are plenty of people who do find 0-12yo avatars engaging in sexual acts as offensive even though they are only pixels and may have 2 consenting adults behind the avatars.

LOL - this one really did make me chuckle. Reminded me of this skit showing of all sorts of religious hypocrisy:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf508ff8/prop-8-the-musical-starring-jack-black-john-c-reilly-and-many-more-from-fod-team-jack-black-craig-robinson-john-c-reilly-and-rashida-jones

I did point out also that I don't find images like this offensive in themselves - only abusive use of such images, eg griefing with them in a Welcome Area or other inappropriate place.

Picking out this line only from my post makes me look like a prude, which I'm definitely not.

I own an SL bookstore that is just BRIMMING with texts FULL of the most heinous depictions of violence. And rest assured, I am not rushing to pull them off the shelves. I even enjoy READING them (*GASP*) . . . although always with both hands on the book.

There are a number of arguments that can be made to distinguish between artistic representations, and porn, but I'm not going to go into them here . . . What I WILL say distinguishes a literary account of a rape (or a theatrical or movie one, for that matter) from what happens in SL is the fact that the latter is interactive and participatory. Even an actor is not participating in a rape scene the way that someone using such an animation in SL is.

As someone came close to noting above, animations in SL are NOT just "cartoons" or screen images. They are behaviours, things one chooses to "do" here. Hence the importance of consent, no?

That's immediately what I thought too.

The child av thing is blurry, some people are on here to just play at being kids, it's not sexual at all, but is still an adult concept.

I guess if an adult woman likes to rp a younger version of herself it's fine. Some people (adults) get off on being in nappies and bottle fed. All kind of innocent but adult in concept.

It's the child avs having sex or rape that is banned, but I get your point, something that isn't illegal in the real world, having the fantasy, has been made so in SL, and yeh in that sense it isn't good.

Woot! That was great! Thanks for the link.

I have no problem with an adult AV or in RL wearing diapers etc in a sexual way but when they do so with an obviously underage AV that's a completely different mindset in my view of someone that has some serious issues.

I understand you, I just think your terrible neurotic who is nit picking and wants to force bans on you what interpret as wrong on behalf of everyone regardless of how they see it. I am sorry I can't see any value in your obsession.

So you are fine with real life, photorealistic depictions of nonconsensual violence, but not jerky cartoon animations?

Pep (Getting to the nub of it now I think.)

Ageplay is not intrinsically sexual. It's merely depicting yourself with an appearance and behaviour inconsistent with your real age. (^_^)

Sexual Ageplay is not intrinsically rape. Rape roleplay is. Am I the ~ONLY~ one here who played "doctor" as a kid? (O.o)

Wot? No nurses?

Pep (Now THAT is worrying.)

I used to play 'doctors & doctors'.

Breaching a contract is not a crime in most countries, including the USA. Signing a contract under false pretenses often is not either - circumstances depending. Being a minor pretending to be an adult when signing a contract is rarely a crime.

These things may make you liable to civil penalties; getting sued, but rarely to criminal penalties. There's a difference between being a scumbag and being a thug. Law is traditionally designed to fine the privileged classes and remove liberty from the underclasses. Unethical conduct involving business / money / honesty takes a lot more to jump into the realm of criminal.

Minors who sign contracts have a carte-blanche right to ignore anything in the contract that binds them, though the adult is still bound - assuming the two knew who each other were.

A vast majority of the law can be broken without doing anything criminal. You are only a criminal when you violate penal law.

Not if you are a minor. See above. Minors can void their contracts at will. This is why almost every contract you will ever see requires adults signing them on both ends - why you have to get your parents' permission...

This is true in any Common Law country (anywhere in the world that is or was ever under the control of the British Empire or one of its former colonies, thus it includes some of Japanese law as well as they were formerly under a former British Colony, namely the USA. Likewise for Korea and 'sometimes' Hong Kong). It may or may not be in Civil Law countries - though I think those under either the Napoleanic or Sharia systems would agree (All European and most Islamic, as well as former colonies).


That's different than merely pretending to be a child. My suggestion; if you want to do ageplay, NEVER zone out of a PG region, EVER, on that account; even if temporarily on an adult body. Don't even do it with a second connected account.

Also; ANYONE who engages in Adult content, AVOID Japanese regions like the black-death. Age of consent for girls in Japan is 14, for men it is 18 or 21... that means what is legal for Japanese and Japanese porn can easily be a life-altering felony for anyone else in world, simply by walking past it and having it on your monitor for all of 1.2 seconds...
- Consider that if voice actresses used in Hentai are young enough, even encountering Hentai might be a problem for you...

As you noted later, this is not at all the same thing as doing that same act when one of the parties involved is an actual minor - even just 'sexting' with a minor can be criminal. Curiously enough, if some current cases have their way; the minor will also be criminally liable - some girls are on child right now for child porn for sending boys in their school pictures of themselves. My hope is they will be convicted - it will put risk on both ends, and it will be that less likely for somebody to encounter this material by accident or deception from the other side.

Not necessarily. With ageplay of a sexual nature where one of the parties is an actual minor -in your jurisdiction-, by the time you are aware of it near you, you are already a felon. No chance to leave.

That's why I want a bright line with NO teen SL merge, and age-verification that is backed by actual verifiable info. And which holds Japanese accounts to international norms.

Oboy! I'm broadly offensive! I made the list! Yay!

But can you parallel park?