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Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

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06-04-2009 18:22
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06-04-2009 18:26
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Smith Peel
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06-04-2009 19:07
Well I just gotta say that the only broadly offending things to me are when things which are clearly broadly morally offensive "in real life" are being advocated or promoted in terms of "real life"... IE, slavery... clearly wrong in real life... can be fun as a fantasy... Ya know, whatever floats your boat. Just don't go around promoting in SL your bid for the return of forced enslavement in real life, for example.

I used to believe that the low wages paid to SL club hosts and etc. were kind of offensive, but then I have spoken to many who are having fun and meeting people... So again, this is fantasy and RL does not apply here.

I am offended by graphic gore but I don't remember ever seeing any in SL. Even if I happened upon some, I would just TP immediately so as not to offend myself. I would only be truly offended if I was responding to any ad for cuddly huggy foo foo stuff and ended up in some gory maggot fest (OK, there you go, false advertising offends me).

SL is to my mind a harmless way to release the darker of your fantasies, should you feel the need... But then again nobody should be forced to endure (or happen upon them I suppose) your fantasies unwillingly... and so I begrudgingly concede to the new continent deal... Plus I can see the benefit of not having to worry about any PG'ers around... I can shamelessly display my giant penis builds, for example... Hey, if you're going to be bad, you might as well be really bad :D

And I feel I must mention that I don't believe I have ever run into anything broadly offensive in SL (Not counting that I once had a neighbor who was more irritating than your garden variety a-hole). I am pretty hard to offend, but then again, I must disclose that I have committed at least a couple of Desmond's cardinal SL sins in my time. And I'm not sorry :D
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06-04-2009 20:27
From: Smith Peel
... but then again, I must disclose that I have committed at least a couple of Desmond's cardinal SL sins in my time. And I'm not sorry :D




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Scylla Rhiadra
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06-04-2009 20:43
What do I find offensive? Hmmm, let's see . . .

- Racism, misogyny, sexism in general, sexualized age play or paedophilia
- Just about any form of gratuitous violence, to varying degrees, especially when it is sexualized
- people who believe that sex, as such, is offensive
- "absolutists," by which I mean anyone who blind subscribes to an absolute view of something, be it an ideology, religion, or simple opinion. Both SL and RL are full of shades of grey, people . . .
- Those who scream most loudly in defence of their own rights, when what they are really most intent on doing is denying those of others
- Unkindness and impoliteness
- People (you know who you are) who leave the toilet seat up ALL THE TIME
- The use of loaded smear-words like "vigilante," "PC," or "crusader" to misrepresent and dismiss an argument with which the user is usually too lazy or afraid to engage directly ;-)

These are a few of my least-favourite things...

HOWEVER, that said, may I respectfully suggest that LL, and by extension, this thread, are asking the wrong question.

There is no way on God's little green earth that we are ever going to produce a world that is inoffensive to everyone. And while I am not, in principle, against the idea of partitioning off content and behaviour to reduce the chances that someone will get offended, I think that this kind of solution largely misses the point.

People NEED to be offended sometimes. Maybe even often. Because when we are offended, our perspectives are challenged, and our solipsism is cracked open. And this is a GOOD thing. I don't WANT to live in a world where everyone thinks exactly the same way as me, anymore than I would want to live in one that was dominated by YOUR opinions and perspective.

The REAL question, then, should not be "What is offensive." It should be, "What is HARMFUL." And that's a very different question indeed. And yes, one much more difficult to prove and resolve than something as beautifully subjective as "are you offended"?
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06-04-2009 23:01
From: Desmond Shang
Well, the idea here is to see if there's a common thread to what's offending, i.e. broadly offending (or not).

I doubt there is such a thing.
CarlCorey Colman
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06-04-2009 23:33
From: Desmond Shang
Well, the idea here is to see if there's a common thread to what's offending, i.e. broadly offending (or not).
From: Ephraim Kappler
I doubt there is such a thing.
And that's the crux of the problem. "Broadly offending" has nothing to so with what I find offensive*, has nothing to do with what you find offensive and, in all likelihood, has nothing to do with what an actual, statistical majority of the target population finds offensive. No offense Argent, but these are usually referred to as "weasel words"** -- statements and wordings for which the meaning can be adjusted to match the desired outcome and/or to distort perceptions.


(*for the record I agree with so many previous posters: things done in a virtual world can be annoying at best unless they, somehow, translate into injury of someone in the real world at which point (and never earlier) they become offensive)

(**and I'm going to actively champion that this mismustelanic (is that the term?) aphorism be abolished in the future)
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Ian Nider
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06-04-2009 23:55
From: CarlCorey Colman
And that's the crux of the problem. "Broadly offending" has nothing to so with what I find offensive*, has nothing to do with what you find offensive and, in all likelihood, has nothing to do with what an actual, statistical majority of the target population finds offensive. No offense Argent, but these are usually referred to as "weasel words"** -- statements and wordings for which the meaning can be adjusted to match the desired outcome and/or to distort perceptions.


(*for the record I agree with so many previous posters: things done in a virtual world can be annoying at best unless they, somehow, translate into injury of someone in the real world at which point (and never earlier) they become offensive)

(**and I'm going to actively champion that this mismustelanic (is that the term?) aphorism be abolished in the future)


I agree pretty much too. It's a blanket term to handle the mass ARs LL will all get after the adult changes.

A lot of legal things use broad definitions too, it's all to evasive for me.
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06-05-2009 03:22
From: Rygel Ryba
Ummm. I didn't read the rest of this thread, so I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but "What is 'broadly offending to me'?" is an oxymoron. "Broadly Offensive" means that "it is offensive to a large number (broad range) of people". So you (or any other one person) cannot define what is broadly offensive. Only asking a large sampling of people and finding out what offends a substantial number of people can you define it.


I was going to point this out too but you got to it first.

To be honest, not much actually offends me, and what I find offensive in SL are mostly things I also find offensive in RL. The following do:

* Portrayal of sex involving children
* Racism, sexism, homophobia
* Religious or political fundamentalism
* Spamming and scamming.

And some SL-specific things:

* Griefing with extreme gory or pornographic images (although I don't find these images inherently offensive in themselves, throwing them out in a Welcome Area is offensive to me).
* Use of exploits like copybot to steal content
* Use of bots to game Search.
* Pyramid scheme scams that masquerade as roleplaying games

I'm tempted to also add bling, gesture-spam, clicky shoes, auto-group-joiners and talking fetuses & genitals. But really those things are annoying as hell but not actually offensive.
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06-05-2009 03:24
Mainly what worries me with SL is the narrowing of such a free world, it's seriously big enough for everything and everyone to find a spot that they are comfortable in.
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06-05-2009 04:19
Depends where I am when I see it.

Offensive = Basic sex act, in G rated or PG public areas because I don't think it should be viewed by children, or just seen in public areas. In your own private residence, I don't care a lot, your neighbours will let you know how they feel.

Vore in public Mature areas = broadly offending, but if you want to engage in sex on a park bench, I may not like it, but I'm not going to interfere unless it's my land :)

In adult areas, unless it depicts infants and avatars that are obviously under 16, anything goes whereever you like. Preferably some order is desirable though.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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06-05-2009 04:21
It's interesting how many people here are posting descriptions of a world very similar to the one being imposed on us by the new adult policy. Maybe LL know our collective minds better than we do.
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-05-2009 05:01
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
It's interesting how many people here are posting descriptions of a world very similar to the one being imposed on us by the new adult policy. Maybe LL know our collective minds better than we do.

I doubt that too. The limited range of regular contributors to these forums is in no way representative of the SL population.
Laurin Sorbet
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06-05-2009 06:03
From: Crighton Johin
I guess I'm just not offended as much as some. To me being offended by gesture spam is a bit silly. Irritated? Maybe, although I'm not even irritated by it much, unless it's the ASCI gestures that take up the whole screen. When I'm DJing and trying to keep up with chat, it makes it difficult. ;)

Other things that don't offend me:
-Tummer Talkers
-Group Invites (Unless I've never been to their store/shop and they come into the sim and just start spamming. This would be an irritation, not something that offends me.)
-RPing being foisted on me (I politely tell them I'm not in their game and move on. Nothing to be offended up there.)
-Sex? No, I'm a grownup...kinda. ;-) (consenting adults, of course)
-Griefing...yet another minor irritant
-most everything I don't consider offensive....maybe stupid or irritating, but not offensive

What *I* consider offensive
-Violence and terrorism and stalking and abuse...not just giving shit abuse, but real abuse that causes trauma and harm
-Racism and sexism in any form, including religous "superiority" :rolleyes:
-Any type of religious fundamentalism whereby someone seems to think they have The Truth and needs to save me (And what is this "being saved" nonsense.....past tense in any type of spirituality is worthless. If you're "saved," congratulations on yesterday's "victory," now stop being a moron today please?)
-Theft and fraud and deceit, especially when perpetrated by a group or person who is claiming high moral and spiritual ground, IE our previous administration. ;)
-In short, I find someone that causes other people real harm to be offensive. By real harm, I"m not talking about someone who thinks that "those gays are harming my little baby's impressionable mind...." That's perceived harm based on your hate and fear, thank you.

So yeah, I'm not offended by much except something that actually harms and abuses me or someone else.

In other words, there's really not much to be offended by in Second Life, to be honest. And if I'm irritated by alot in SL, maybe I should get a grip and look at myself, rather than why someone "Hooing" really bugs me.



I'd be one of those people who would love to put all the "HOOOO!!" "YEEHAWWWW!!" and "that's my sissy over there!!" people on their own special island. You know who I mean, the people who spew it over and over and over again. I don't think people who use those gestures, talkers, voices etc need to be banned but I do find them incredibly irritating. I find them so irritating I tend to leave my speakers off, which can then lead to missing the 'ding' IM's make. Then I sometimes miss the IM.

I find the barrage of gestures equally pointless and irritating. Say someone I really want to talk to comes online but the announcement gets lost in the spam. Then the IM comes in but I miss the tab and the ding due to the speakers being off. Cool! Like really laggy sims, I subject myself to those places/people rarely now.

Otherwise I'm lucky, I have never really dealt with any serious harm, terrorism or abuse in 2L. I can't even guess how one would translate into the other. It is a cartoon after all.
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06-05-2009 06:10
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
It's interesting how many people here are posting descriptions of a world very similar to the one being imposed on us by the new adult policy. Maybe LL know our collective minds better than we do.
I didn't notice that at all. There's way too much variation to draw that kind of conclusion.
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06-05-2009 06:13
From: Laurin Sorbet
I'd be one of those people who would love to put all the "HOOOO!!" "YEEHAWWWW!!" and "that's my sissy over there!!" people on their own special island. You know who I mean, the people who spew it over and over and over again. I don't think people who use those gestures, talkers, voices etc need to be banned but I do find them incredibly irritating. I find them so irritating I tend to leave my speakers off, which can then lead to missing the 'ding' IM's make. Then I sometimes miss the IM.

I find the barrage of gestures equally pointless and irritating. Say someone I really want to talk to comes online but the announcement gets lost in the spam. Then the IM comes in but I miss the tab and the ding due to the speakers being off. Cool! Like really laggy sims, I subject myself to those places/people rarely now.

Otherwise I'm lucky, I have never really dealt with any serious harm, terrorism or abuse in 2L. I can't even guess how one would translate into the other. It is a cartoon after all.

Why don't you just mute them? :confused:

Pep (Assuming you *want* to hang around places that encourage that sort of behaviour. :rolleyes: )
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06-05-2009 06:21
I couldn't mute some of them, it simply wasn't an option. Turning off the speakers was the best possible option.

I don't hang around places like that much anymore actually, RL is too noisy, I can't tolerate that stuff in 2L too.
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06-05-2009 06:29
From: Argent Stonecutter
I didn't notice that at all. There's way too much variation to draw that kind of conclusion.


OK, well this sort of thing is always going to get shot down by others who claim I misunderstood or whatever but that never stopped me before.

I made a quick summary of relevant things that some people here found offensive

Tegg Bode #136
Sex in G or PG public areas, Vore in Mature areas

Lewis Luminos #134
gory (i.e. extreme violence) or pornoraphic pictures

Scylla Rhiadra #130
Violence especially sexualized.

Smith Peel #128
Vore

Oryx Tempel #115
Various sexual fetishes and X rated adverts

Argus Collingwood: #86
RL XXX Photos

Arcady Yue: #23
BDSM / Gor

Argent Stonecutter: #5
Considers some sexual fetishes broadly offensive



Now, people aren't saying they want it segregated they are just saying what they find offensive. But if I was LL and I saw this thread I'd immediately start trying to find a way to prevent all these people from being offended and I'd probably come up with something very similar to what we are seeing happen now.

For my personal view I don't find any of those things offensive. I think there's something wrong with people who are offended by pictures on a screen. But I'm clearly in a minority on that.
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06-05-2009 06:33
From: Elanthius Flagstaff

For my personal view I don't find any of those things offensive. I think there's something wrong with people who are offended by pictures on a screen. But I'm clearly in a minority on that.


Maybe you're not in the minority on that.
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06-05-2009 06:34
Did i mention nothing is offensive?
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06-05-2009 06:36
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...For my personal view I don't find any of those things offensive. I think there's something wrong with people who are offended by pictures on a screen. But I'm clearly in a minority on that.
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06-05-2009 06:42
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
OK, well this sort of thing is always going to get shot down by others who claim I misunderstood or whatever but that never stopped me before.

I made a quick summary of relevant things that some people here found offensive

Tegg Bode #136
Sex in G or PG public areas, Vore in Mature areas

Lewis Luminos #134
gory (i.e. extreme violence) or pornoraphic pictures

Scylla Rhiadra #130
Violence especially sexualized.

Smith Peel #128
Vore

Oryx Tempel #115
Various sexual fetishes and X rated adverts

Argus Collingwood: #86
RL XXX Photos

Arcady Yue: #23
BDSM / Gor

Argent Stonecutter: #5
Considers some sexual fetishes broadly offensive



Now, people aren't saying they want it segregated they are just saying what they find offensive. But if I was LL and I saw this thread I'd immediately start trying to find a way to prevent all these people from being offended and I'd probably come up with something very similar to what we are seeing happen now.

For my personal view I don't find any of those things offensive. I think there's something wrong with people who are offended by pictures on a screen. But I'm clearly in a minority on that.


Anyone who roams around the internet, not just SL, gets things they find offensive in their face, even the viagra ads in your email would be to much for some.

The difference is who would like the right to make AR's over their own personal offense or have these things banned.

It's if or not your smart enough to predict your own experience or simply a control freak wanting to predict everyone elses experiences.

Control freaks - I would bet my arse are the minority.
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06-05-2009 06:46
From: Ian Nider


Control freaks - I would bet my arse are the minority.


Judging by the last several elections, they aren't.
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06-05-2009 06:47
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Maybe you're not in the minority on that.

Or maybe you are.

Pep (I find uselessly imprecise content-free statements in the forums broadly offensive. :cool: )
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06-05-2009 06:47
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
But if I was LL and I saw this thread I'd immediately start trying to find a way to prevent all these people from being offended and I'd probably come up with something very similar to what we are seeing happen now.
If you were LL and wanted to keep ALL the people who posted here from being offended, you'd have to ban everything down to scripted weapons, sexy clothing, and leash scripts outside Adult. If you just wanted to keep the majority from being offended, you'd allow clean non-violent public sex in mature areas.

Even the examples you picked... the only really common theme *I* see is sexual violence.
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