Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?
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Talarus Luan
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06-05-2009 09:16
From: Scylla Rhiadra Ian, is it just FUN to deliberately misrepresent or misunderstand me?
If you can't see a distinction between a depiction of consensual sex, and one that depicts violent sex, then I fear for you and your sex partners.
A animation depicting vanilla sex, and another depicting rape are, in all probability, BOTH consensual, in the sense that both partners have agreed to both. But the rape animation DEPICTS an act that is violent and nonconsensual.
Clear enough? Same thing could be said for slaves/submissives to a dom. They are RPing non-consensual behavior, but it STILL is consensual for the purposes of "harm". At any point in time and for any reason, the slaves/subs can get up, tell their dom to get stuffed, TP away, and never come back. The same thing is true of "rape" behavior. Both parties are fully in control of the situation, so there can not be any harm. If it gets too much for either party, they can tell the other "no thanks", TP away, and never come back. So, while it is agreed that there is a distinction, it is not one of any more than cosmetic significance. To the point of actors in a production acting out a rape scene, it is really no different. They both know it isn't real, that no one is being harmed, and that either actor, at any time and for any reason, can simply say "enough" and walk away from it. Acting is not significantly different that roleplaying (in fact, it IS RP, by definition); in the case of SL, the "audience" consists of the "actors" themselves. That's really the only difference.
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Viciously Llewellyn
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06-05-2009 09:17
From: Argent Stonecutter He's confusing "tit" and "wit". Pepboi just doesn't get when people are jacking with him, and/or messing up Desmond's thread with Friday BS. 
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-05-2009 09:21
From: Viciously Llewellyn Pepboi just doesn't get when people are jacking with him, and/or messing up Desmond's thread with Friday BS.  I suggest you get your medication changed. Pep (It's a pretty long way between the 'w' key and the 't'.)
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Talarus Luan
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06-05-2009 09:26
From: Pserendipity Daniels I suggest you get your medication changed.
Pep (It's a pretty long way between the 'w' key and the 't'.) Actually, if she is using a Dvorak keyboard, the w and t keys are right together. Yeah, I know, there's a low probability, but it is still a possible explanation. 
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Viciously Llewellyn
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06-05-2009 09:34
From: Pserendipity Daniels I suggest you get your medication changed.
Pep (It's a pretty long way between the 'w' key and the 't'.) I'm actually taking a little Demerol for knee pain, but the original expression is perhaps a cultural/regional thing. People use it all the time around here, combining; That was funny ... NOT! ... and Not that that was funny. But I know, Blowhard U. is the only one allowed to play on words.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-05-2009 09:42
From: Viciously Llewellyn I'm actually taking a little Demerol for knee pain, but the original expression is perhaps a cultural/regional thing. People use it all the time around here, combining; That was funny ... NOT! ... and Not that that was funny. But I know, Blowhard U. is the only one allowed to play on words. The extra "that" would make a difference then . . . Pep (You are digging yourself an even bigger hole with every post.)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-05-2009 09:43
From: Talarus Luan Actually, if she is using a Dvorak keyboard, the w and t keys are right together. Yeah, I know, there's a low probability, but it is still a possible explanation.  I prefer Occam's Razor. Pep (The "simplest" explanation is the best.  )
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Vance Adder
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06-05-2009 09:57
From: Argent Stonecutter I'm talking about stuff that most people haven't heard of, that I wish I hadn't heard of, that are in the "once you've seen X you can never unsee it" category. Vore and dolcett are at the mild end. I don't want to talk about them, the fact that there's people who are *into* them squicks me. Something that makes dolcett appear *mild*? *imagination starts churning*
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Viciously Llewellyn
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06-05-2009 09:58
From: Argent Stonecutter It's at least as offensive as lag and sim crossings. Another egregious offense related to sim crossing. If you know you have sim crossing issues, don't build roads that are not on the ground! NOTE (Translated for Pep): Anowher egregious offense relawed wo sim crossing. If you knot you have sim crossing issues, don'w build roads whaw are now on whe ground!
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-05-2009 10:02
From: Viciously Llewellyn Another egregious offense related to sim crossing. If you know you have sim crossing issues, don't build roads that are not on the ground! It's OK, when you write English I can understand you. Pep (The double negative soured this experience though)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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06-05-2009 10:15
From: Talarus Luan Acting is not significantly different that roleplaying (in fact, it IS RP, by definition); in the case of SL, the "audience" consists of the "actors" themselves. That's really the only difference. OMG! The actors are actually jacking off while playing those scenes???? /me reaches hurriedly for her opera glasses . . .
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-05-2009 10:18
From: Scylla Rhiadra OMG! The actors are actually jacking off while playing those scenes???? /me reaches hurriedly for her opera glasses . . . Method acting. Pep (Don't Look Now)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-05-2009 10:18
From: Viciously Llewellyn This might be a flame bait response, but I don't see the big deal anyway. I don't do it, but also don't see it. We are over eighteen, and we are avatars!... I agree. From what I see, the "problem" arises when people have a hard time with the line between fantasy and reality. (^_^) SL gives us the gift of visual art that was never available in previous social networks. As a result it becomes easier to pretend to be something else for the sake of pretending. But, we as people are often still trapped in the concept of believing what we see and something subconscious is still triggered when we see what we perceive to be harmful visuals. In general, we have a deeply ingrained reflex to defend the helpless and as a society resisting such a notion is strongly frowned upon. (>_<  But, that's reality. This is virtual. And, yes, it's consensual activity between adults. (=_=) You've probably seen my stream of self-pictures I've been posting on this and other threads. I don't assert that avatar to be a child. I have breasts, hips, and a "yummy tummy" as quoted by a fellow forum poster. But, because I choose a 'cute' appearance, people may be confused and categorize me as a purveyor of Broadly Offensive activity and content. (=_=) I also wear a bell. You can see it on the collar and hear it while I walk. I have been admonished for my bell and was told "You shouldn't let yourself be objectified and degraded like that." and "There are laws against slavery and cruel and unusual punishment.".... The people making these comments, in my mind, lack the understanding necessary to exist comfortably in a virtual or fantasy environment. In the end, I like the bell because it sounds cute... (=_=) So... At what point DOES something become broadly offensive when the core of the offense is a matter or real-world harmful behaviour? (>_<  Going back to my original statement in this thread: From: Imnotgoing Sideways Broadly offensive: Telling me I can't simulate something in a virtual world because the connotations of realizing it in the physical world is intrinsically harmful. (=_=) Or, when preventing me from living out my deviant little fantasy... People get the self-gratification that they've protected some sort of victim in the matter. When, all along, all that has been accomplished is yet another contribution to the chilling effect of online virtual role play. (=_=)y
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Talarus Luan
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06-05-2009 10:44
From: Scylla Rhiadra OMG! The actors are actually jacking off while playing those scenes????
/me reaches hurriedly for her opera glasses . . . No more so than people who are "acting" in SL. 
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-05-2009 10:50
From: Imnotgoing Sideways SL gives us the gift of visual art that was never available in previous social networks. As a result it becomes easier to pretend to be something else for the sake of pretending. But, we as people are often still trapped in the concept of believing what we see and something subconscious is still triggered when we see what we perceive to be harmful visuals. In general, we have a deeply ingrained reflex to defend the helpless and as a society resisting such a notion is strongly frowned upon. Well said: I think that coming to terms with this may be the biggest problem that corporations, institutions and most residents (on some level or other within themselves) have with SL.
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spinster Voom
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06-05-2009 11:39
What do I find offensive? From: Scylla Rhiadra Ok dear, let me walk you through this very slowly . . . patronising attitudes  From: Scylla Rhiadra What I was conceding, you see, is that a rape animation in SL IS probably consensual. No, not "probably", just IS. From: Scylla Rhiadra My objection to such a depiction has NOTHING to do with whether the action of clicking the animation ball was consensual or not . . . I have admitted that it probably IS. See above. From: Scylla Rhiadra This is all very complicated, I know . . . That's because you seem to suffer from a serious lack of imagination. Have you considered, for example, that there are many of us who enjoy some decidedly un-vanilla sexual role-play in REAL LIFE, and that SL rape role-play (for example) may be a depiction of RL rape ROLEPLAY (consenting), and not of RL rape (not consenting)? Certain RP's, such as this one, can be difficult to arrange safely in the real world, especially if your preference is for a large-ish gang 
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Ian Nider
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06-05-2009 11:50
From: spinster Voom That's because you seem to suffer from a serious lack of imagination. Have you considered, for example, that there are many of us who enjoy some decidedly un-vanilla sexual role-play in REAL LIFE, and that SL rape role-play (for example) may be a depiction of RL rape ROLEPLAY (consenting), and not of RL rape (not consenting)? Certain RP's, such as this one, can be difficult to arrange safely in the real world, especially if your preference is for a large-ish gang  Yep, spot on, people do all sorts of things in the flesh and come to online communities to experiment, extend or enhance the experience. I can't see how that is any of Scylla's business at all let alone her right or duty to "have banned".
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Lias Leandros
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Nude Beach For Child Avatars Dancing With Men
06-05-2009 12:02
There was a thread in the Xstreet forums about a Mentor who runs a nude beach for child avatars (the thread was deleted this morning). The owner of the nude child beach actually responded to the thread saying there was nothing wrong with it (even after several forumites went over there and witnessed child avatars dancing nude with adult male avatars). I find this child nude beach broadly offensive. The fact that it is run by a Linden Approved Mentor compounds the issue.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-05-2009 12:12
From: Lias Leandros There was a thread in the Xstreet forums about a Mentor who runs a nude beach for child avatars (the thread was deleted this morning). The owner of the nude child beach actually responded to the thread saying there was nothing wrong with it (even after several forumites went over there and witnessed child avatars dancing nude with adult male avatars). I find this child nude beach broadly offensive. The fact that it is run by a Linden Approved Mentor compounds the issue.
. Sorry... That's false information. I know the beach you're referring to and the people defaming the beach were ejected from the group and banned from the sim because THEY wanted to turn the place into their own little sex haven. Now they're out for revenge because their favorite form of CS violation was taken from them once again. (=_=) Truth be told, the beach has STRICT rules against sex and intimate interaction between ALL avatars. (=_=)
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Vance Adder
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06-05-2009 12:12
From: Lias Leandros There was a thread in the Xstreet forums about a Mentor who runs a nude beach for child avatars (the thread was deleted this morning). The owner of the nude child beach actually responded to the thread saying there was nothing wrong with it (even after several forumites went over there and witnessed child avatars dancing nude with adult male avatars). I find this child nude beach broadly offensive. The fact that it is run by a Linden Approved Mentor compounds the issue.
. Not that I agree with them, but... would a naturalist see anything wrong with children being nude? Children running around naked is very natural in a lot of settings. You see little kids running around butt naked playing in a pool in their front lawn. Why on earth would a naturalist feel ashamed or feel the need to cover up? Why would they teach their kids to be ashamed of it? Why would they think "oh, my kids naked, I guess I better stop being a nudist at the moment or someone will think I'm a sicko." As long as it's not sexualized, I don't see a problem. Still... I'm sure it's ripe for AR fodder...
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Sunspot Pixie
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06-05-2009 12:14
I find SL residents who have appointed themselves Metaverse Police to be the most offensive.
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Treasure Ballinger
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06-05-2009 12:20
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Sorry... That's false information. I know the beach you're referring to and the people defaming the beach were ejected from the group and banned from the sim because THEY wanted to turn the place into their own little sex haven. Now they're out for revenge because their favorite form of CS violation was taken from them once again. (=_=)
Truth be told, the beach has STRICT rules against sex and intimate interaction between ALL avatars. (=_=) Immy, I am curious about your statement here and this is not a confrontational question. But if this is true, what you said here, then why would the people in the child avatars be participating in nude dancing with adult nude male avatars? Maybe just because there are always some that spoil it for the rest.......seems though if they felt this way, they'd refuse to participate? Along with the AR on the adult that was trying to interact with them in that manner. Or were those child avatars participating created just for the purpose of participation, and they are some that were banned/ejected?
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-05-2009 12:22
From: Vance Adder Not that I agree with them, but... would a naturalist see anything wrong with children being nude? Children running around naked is very natural in a lot of settings. You see little kids running around butt naked playing in a pool in their front lawn. Why on earth would a naturalist feel ashamed or feel the need to cover up? Why would they teach their kids to be ashamed of it? Why would they think "oh, my kids naked, I guess I better stop being a nudist at the moment or someone will think I'm a sicko."
As long as it's not sexualized, I don't see a problem.
Still... I'm sure it's ripe for AR fodder... As far as I know... The AR fodder gets ejected and banned and ejected even on the basis of a rumor. (^_^) Really... Nakie + No-sex + Nice people = VERY difficult to find in SL. It seems, when it is found, people are out to corrupt it. For anyone who followed the original XstSL thread, consider the position of the original accusers. Someone was ejected from the group over a CS violation. As a response they became vengeful and pointed a re-interpretation of the CS back at the group. It's much like "If I can't have what I want, nobody can!"... Childish, really. (=_=)y
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-05-2009 12:34
From: Treasure Ballinger Immy, I am curious about your statement here and this is not a confrontational question. But if this is true, what you said here, then why would the people in the child avatars be participating in nude dancing with adult nude male avatars? Maybe just because there are always some that spoil it for the rest.......seems though if they felt this way, they'd refuse to participate? Along with the AR on the adult that was trying to interact with them in that manner. Or were those child avatars participating created just for the purpose of participation, and they are some that were banned/ejected? The beach is an inclusive arrangement. Avatars of all ages, shapes, and races are welcome to hang out, chat, and party. There are live DJ events put on by Nekkidradio and this group has ties to RL naturist organizations. Dancing is just that... Dancing. (^_^) Mind you, it is quite a sausage-fest... Many of the AVs are male. It's a very friendly group with the only major source of drama being the summary ejections of members suspected of trying to sex up the place. (>_<  "Dancing with" can mean anything from the Foxtrot to being in the same room while dancing. Really, vengeful people are trying to stir up s**t. Their own motivation is deeply questioned by me. (=_=) Right now, the group is in communications with Lindens over the issue and it's really nothing more than complainers complaining. Last I heard the Linden response is simply "Keep the complaints down." Now the beach is under heavy scrutiny due to forum publication. (T_T) There isn't much else I know... Other than the DJ plays some KILLER 80's metal sometimes. =^-^=
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Lias Leandros
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06-05-2009 13:17
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Sorry... That's false information. I know the beach you're referring to and the people defaming the beach were ejected from the group and banned from the sim because THEY wanted to turn the place into their own little sex haven. Now they're out for revenge because their favorite form of CS violation was taken from them once again. (=_=) Truth be told, the beach has STRICT rules against sex and intimate interaction between ALL avatars. (=_=) This is not false information. The owner of the beach set up a situation that any pervert would love to exploit. Certainly he cannot be shocked when pervs come-a-running to a beach with nude child avatars running around on it that are openly interacting with nude adult males. The owner even told the children avatars to hide the beach in their profiles so they would not be scrutinized (this he did not deny). I just do not see the need to purposely develop a atmosphere that includes and encourages nude children dancing with nude men (there is a child avatar for sale there to make it easier for this role play). I guess after the Adult rules come in place this place won't be accessible to everyone anymore - But I do think that this place is a major mistake. And now since this is forum fodder - the pictures of these naked child/adult avatars 'interacting' will soon be hitting the web - bringing more negative attention to this platform. Just tell this guy to STOP. He can dance with naked children in his RL house (until the neighbors butt in). .
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