Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

You ever been at a RL nude beach, Lias?

Yes.. There are people who want to exploit the beach. They’re swiftly ejected from the group. In fact, the person that started this fling-storm IS one of the exploitative pervs and is now on a personal vendetta. Now... ”Interacting”... Not ludely. Not perversely. Dancing, chatting, gesture spamming. Complimenting and tipping the DJ. Broadly offensive? Then, shut down ALL dance clubs. (^_^)
I won’t either. Considering the s**t stirrers around, you’d think people would want to avoid drama over their personal idea of fun. (=_=)I would conclude that you’re simply not a naturist. I do not see the need to purposely develop an atmosphere where the human body is so vilified that the only socially acceptable option is to enshroud everyone with burqas. (=_=)

And, yes, there are vendor stalls with shapes and skins. Target audience; small nudists. It’s just business. (^_^)Actually... Blondin and a few others have been clear. Nudity does not equal sex, sexuality, or lewd behavior. So, nudity in a nudist’s/naturist’s context is not (Adult) material. The sim is (Mature) and the rules are clear. Sure, it’s unpolupar. But, so are most real life naturist organizations. In the end, it’s just pixels. Give it the unimportance it deserves. (^_^)y

Not one with nude children on it. I do not think that it acceptable. And this is all about community perceptions. The owner of the beach knows what this could be perceived badly - that is why he tells the child avatars to hide the group in their profiles.

If using a nude beach is an excuse to frolic with nude child avatars - what other public displays of naked child interaction can be acceptable within Second Life? If this guy is not shut down then its open season for this kind of interaction.

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As a kid, I knew an old lady who was massive weight wise. I remember being shocked at her old and naked body at a skinny dip, thing is it soon fell away and I didn't give a dam when I saw she didn't. I think that's a good thing not bad.

Anyone who has done life drawing knows too, that the nude models are very unsexual. One gets to appreciate bodies as something different, their various shapes and builds becomes things to appreciate.

People like this actually exist, it's not always just a bunch of pervs using it as an excuse.

My suggestion: Don't visit. Find something better to do and leave the place alone. Is that so hard? (^_^)y

As the accused let me interject a few points here. And I'm not afriad to hide who I am, unlike the 1 day old alt on xstreet. LL has already invistegated and I've been talked to by the Gteam.

Yes Perverts have shown up, they're like cockroaches. .they keep breeding and infesting places, and they usually do something to get themselves caught banned and AR'd. THAT is the reason why it's hidden, and not just the "child av's" but ALL have to hide it. It's not done to hide from the eyes of LL.

I don't encourage adults and kids to dance with or do anything else with each other except casual chat. I don't even like adults trying to pick up adults.. NO sex means just that NONE... EVER... regardless of what age your av looks.

Also the beach doesn't promote anything in LL's Ageplay policy, which was given to me by a gteam member who was investigating this.
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/11/14/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplay

Which clarifies ageplay as..
There are three key aspects, which are in breach of the Community Standards:

(1) participation by Residents in lewd or sexual acts in which one or more of the avatars appears to represent minors (or the depiction of such acts in images, video, textures, or text) is a violation of the Community Standards;

(2) promoting or catering to such behavior or representations violates our Community Standards. For instance, the placement of avatars appearing to represent minors in proximity to “sex beds” or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts, would violate our Community Standards, as would the placement of sexualized “pose balls” or other content in areas depicting playgrounds or children’s spaces;

(3) the graphic depiction of children in a sexual or lewd manner violates our Community Standards.

Now, with the post made on xstreet and that you felt you HAD to continue here. It's agianst LL's CS for harassment and griefing.

Also the "pics hitting the web", sounds like threat, more harassment.

The beach is run as a RL one would be and any pedos (AKA ageplayers in SL) that are caught and dealt with, but I can't be on 24/7 to police the area.

Now if it happened in a Welcome area, Help Island.. etc.. who would you blame? Govenor Linden cause he runs the land, or the people responsible?

Now with ageplay itself I see NO place for it at all, but shouldn't the offenders be the ones dealt with and not the people trying to run a legit place meant to be what it says in the group charter and land description? Even my rules state failure to report something seen, makes you just as guilty as the offender.

I can understand some not understanding the naturist lifestyle, it's not for everyone, but for those of us who ARE nudists in SL and RL, you don't need to go on a witch hunt (and being Wiccan IRL, that's something I deal with enough thank you).

All I did was create a place where people could practice the closest you can in SL to a RL naturist place. In no way shape or form do I condone ageplay, but I DO condone and support a nusist lifestyle sthat shold be free of persecution from narrow minds who know nothing about the lifestyle.

*YAWN*

/me plays with the idea of pointing out, for the umpteenth time, that she has NOWHERE ever advocated "banning" anything, but decides instead to find a more interesting and responsive wall to talk to ...

I see no reason for any adult to walk around nude with any child they did no give birth to. And we all know most Americans agree with this narrow-minded view point.

So why temp fate? Why go through the effort and expense to make and attract naked child avatars to frolic with naked adult avatars? Seems to me this may be more of a compulsion than a 'fun care-free nude beach'. Why does this man NEED to make sure child avatars know they are welcome there nude?

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Nudity does not equal sex. While hard to believe, many people do believe and follow that.

Anything can be perceived badly... so, should we stop everything? The only way to fight against bad things happening is not to bury it in the closet, but bright it out into the light, and drive away the darkness.

Primarily to bother close minded people I'm sure. And no, we don't all know what most americans agree to, since they can't seen to agree on anything at all. All you hear is talking heads saying most agree, and very few can be bothered to stand up and say "No, not most".

Well I see no reason bestiallity and other things are allowed in SL which to me is almost as bad as ageplay. AND illegal in a lot more countries. In SL Al lI can do is ban and report ageplay.... if it were RL I'd castrate the offender.

It's not just children who are welcome it's ALL, that includes furries, vampires etc. I even allow Goreans as long as they don't practice it on the beach and i'm NOT a fan of Gor.

I don't discriminate, period. This whole thing I'm 95% sure was allstarted by someone I banned for harassment, hitting on all the women, and suspected ageplay, and my former beach manager who quit after a disagreement

The ex manager's alt shows up... 1 min later the posting alt shows... 40 min later. .they both leave... the poster said that they got their friend to quit the group. .the ex manager isn't a group member anymore.

This is just a personal vendetta against me that someone took public. AKA Drama queens in action.

The US supreme court ruled that nude is not lewd, and the PROTECT act of 2003 doesn't even address REAL innocent nudes of children, just graphic or sexual.

I've been a child at one. It was an easy ten minutes walk from one of the most prestigious neighborhoods in Sydney.
You're not a community. You're a person.
According to Immy, people who just see it as nothing but an excuse to frolic with child avatars aren't accepted there.
Oh horrors! What next, naked dogs and cats?

Or ferrets.

It doesn't matter that *you* see no reason for it. And it doesn't matter if most Americans agree with you - not that I believe that - I do think you're making it up because you simply can't know. SL isn't an American environment, so it doesn't matter either way.

Naturism is something that occurs the world over, as far as I know. It certainly does in Europe. So I suggest you keep your narrow-minded views to yourself, and don't visit such places. I'm sure you can find other things to do instead of vilifying perfectly normal things.

These are not accusations. These are facts. You run a nude beach where you ENCOURAGE nude child avatars to interact with nude adult avatars. Because most child avatars would not even assume they could go any public place in Second Life and get naked with adult avatars.
It is not hidden in your profile. I guess because your the recruiter. Why create a place that attracts people that abuse children?
Governor Linden because he runs the land. And because he encourages child avatars to come to a nude beach to frolic with nude adult avatars.
Sir, I see YOU as the offender and I, like many others, have reported it. Once someone takes the pictures from your nude child/adult parties out of Second Life - then we all will be feeling the negative blow-back. I do not think it is worth the hassle so you and your crew can dance with nude child avatars.
I truly feel for you BUT the narrow-minded people are the majority and we cannot all do what we want to do without regard.

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The notable issue is more when the age is different between the two genders. That's an ethical problem - such disparities are essentially designed to ease the process for predators. By contrast, where the age for both genders is the same, but simply different, you're just looking at a different social norm on the level of maturity it takes to be consenting - it may still give rise to some notable ethical concerns, but it isn't a clear case of a nation favoring sexual predators.

But according to that above table my facts on Japan were incorrect, or have since changed. Lets hope incorrect - as Japan is a major global media producer today and in many adult sims there is voice-carrying hentai and live action porn playing on 'screens' - making accidental exposure easy.

That said, it bears noting that the age in Japan can drop to 13 in places. What then happens if such a place produces media with 13-year olds and distributes it? Do Japanese authorities go after them, or does national law turn a blind eye, and as such allow for international distribution, thereby reaching shores where 'adults' can become secondary victims by viewing things they did not know were illegal to view... (and I say secondary because I personally don't care what Japan thinks about 13 - if you put a 13 year old in your flick, I consider that person a victim even if it was legal in your country)

If that material contains what in another jurisdiction would be children, the viewers can be in serious trouble, even for an accidental viewing.

All of which still serves to say... might be best to avoid some types of Japanese media, just in case.

Yup, narrow-minded certainly sums you up. YOU don't think nudity is OK, so it must be banned. We ought to ban pubs, dancing, women not covering their heads and a multitude of other things just in case someone, somewhere in the world happens not to like it.

You may be astonished to learn that SL is actually used world-wide. Just because people in your bit of America think that nudity is shocking, doesn't mean that everyone everywhere in the world does. In fact, I know many Americans who don't consider nudity horrific. It all depends on the kind of upbringing you had, I guess.

The fact that you consider nudity equals sex tells us far more about YOUR mindset than it does about the people who either run naturist beaches, or go to them in RL. And if the first thing you think of when you see a naked child is sexual abuse, get help.

SL- is American Phil. It is bought to you from a company in AMERICA. There are nude beaches in America - but the roleplay this fellow is engaging in is random child avatars (unaccompanied by roleplay parents) stripping down and dancing with nude men and women they just met. I am quite sure that does not happen on nude beaches anywhere on the planet. And if it does I am sure it is scruitinized as it is being scruitinized right now.

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I don't know if it's diff in the USA, but here in Australia, most places, kids go nud on the beach and in the back yard all the time, in general we don't see it as sexual, it's just kids.

We do have a fair few nudist beaches too, I've been a kid at them as well, even quieter un-nude ones people will pinch a skinny dip or bake.

Bondi, Sydneys most popular beach is a topless beach.

Shrug

I'm with Lias Leandros on this one. I can't find a rational reason for a nude child AV to be running around, let alone running around next to stranger nude ault AVs. It just smacks of something wrong.

I'm pretty much on the far left wing when it comes to social issues, but that one just smells like something fishy.

Ok and this is SL most kids don't HAVE parents in here, and well, that's usually a good thing cause quite a few families in SL seem to be incestual.

And with SL being an american company, ummmm yes and no.... if that were true, we wouldn't have do deal with every other countries gripes.

Now if it were totally American and our rules applying, then according to the PROTECT act of 2003, as it's not actual children even ageplay(shudder) is ok as it's not real children.

Just a FYI, there's a nudist beach not far from LL's main office.. near the Golden Gate Bridge, and children are allowed there.

Now ALSO, like people have said nudity itself is not sexual, it's just here in America that it's thought of that way... maybe because we have such a strong taboo on it... and countries where nudity isn't much of a deal have a lower percentage of sex related crimes.. of ALL types.

Yeah and I blame you Aussies for turning me into a naturist LOL became one when I was living out there for 3 years.

It's amazing what happens when you don't have the "this is a BAD thing" mentality going on isn't it?

http://www.gangart.com/freebeach/beaches_nsw.shtml#

Grew up near Lady Bay. Nobody considered it weird, or something kids had to be protected from.

Doesn't it always seem that those who fight hardest against something is those who are most drawn to it.

Just look how forceful ex-smokers, ex-drinkers, ex-deviants always fight hardest against what they were once into?

They ban the exploiters, it's just nudism.