Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

Your the one that is wrong. You hear that Linden Lab shut down two groups for pedophilia in Second Life (that is virtual pedophilia fantasies being played out with avatars) yet you still contend that pedophiles do not engage in this activity. Amazing.
Luckily Linden Lab does not agree with you.

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And your professional training and creditials in this area are what Lias? Im happy to share mine and would love to hear yours...

once again you have either information that's incomplete info or are a blantan liar and everyone is suspecting the latter.

LL didn't sieze the land of either group. And it was the few ageplayers who ruined it for the many and it wasn't (your fave word.. pedophelia. Which involves a real child I posted the definitions earlier.. but your tunnel vision didn't see it.

and you REALLY need to invest in a dictionary and look up the terms of ageplay.... it's SEXUAL, not nudity.... so if you see nude av's in a sexual way.. you're the one who has issues, not me.

Also you have an issue if you think the child av's on SL are real kids as well. They're adults who roleplay.

She claimed to me last night in IM's that's she's a social worker and deals with cases like this IRL LOLOL

Maybe I should blog the convo... oh wait that's what she'd do.

Just wanted to add..i haver never heard from Linden Labs that they have shut down any groups for practicing pedophilia...can you provide that info for me or the text of the Linden statement?

Linden Labs does in fact allow adult on adult fantasy and does not consider it a crime. They allow murder, rape, incest, bestiality...im sure there are others as well. I have also never heard of Linden Labs prosecuting anyone for pedophilia, murder, rape etc. which would be the result of punishing a crime.

Looking forward to seeing the text of your source for this info. Thanks!

I use common sense - something you seem to have decided to discard while posting nonsense about there being no pedophiles in Second Life because it's not an enjoyable atmosphere for them.

Read ASCIIrider's post - he explains why they were shut down. Unless you don't believe him either.

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1) I have yet to see any evidence that LL stepped in and closed down ANY "pedophile groups".
2) That you continue to call something or someone "pedophile" doesn't make it so.
3) That he was a member of said groups, assuming that there WERE any REAL pedophiles in them, doesn't make him one.



4) There is no evidence that the OTHER members of said groups were pedophiles, nor does allowing said people to become a part of one's group make them or the group about pedophilia.
5) Complaints about pedophilia don't mean pedophilia activity is taking place. We've already seen several examples of that, including RL ones.



Restating the same logically flawed assertion doesn't make it any less flawed.



Perhaps, but a rhinoceros is not a duck, no matter how much you may want it to be.



Being affiliated with groups and taking in members from another group isn't a crime that I am aware of.



Perhaps it isn't "so obvious" to anyone else for the reasons given above, among others?



Yes, your demonstration of that fact notwithstanding.



Attorneys do what they are paid to do, whether they agree with it or not. OJ Simpson's circus trial proved that.

Any solicitor worth his salt would ask the obvious questions "were children involved?" and "was anyone harmed?" before throwing the case completely out of the window.

Again... Spin... Please directly quote where I said I "distributed" anything or re-consider slandering me. (=_=)y

This from the guy that has posted the TOS no less than three times in two days. Disclosing RL information. So much for following the rules, eh?

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I base my info on RL professional training and experience with RL pedophiles. I dont base my info on posts from anonymous folks in an internet forum who i have no idea where they get their info from. Seems like a better method to me.

Also, I do the same with things that I believe Linden Labs has stated or done. Unless I see the written text from them...nope...i dont believe one word of the crap that is spewed here.

I am however very interested in seeing the text from Linden Labs that you are basing your conclusions on...i think others here would appreciate it also, just to clear up any mistaken assumptions. Best to hear it from the source in my world.

Post that Linden text asap...i can only stay on for a bit longer and I am really anxious to see it! Thanks so much!

Spin that, Dear.

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I have always enjoyed the thin sound of cracking ice on a warm day.

Thanks Lias.

I said youCLAIM to be... I could claim to be the queen of england. I said CLAIM cause I consider it highly doubtful, because if you were you'd know there's way to omany pedos IRL to deal with to worry about SL.

I understand you have to get your head back into the sand. But since Linden Lab does not post information about closing down pedophile groups we have to just take ASCIIrider's word for it.

Here it is again in case you missed it:



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Hmm I see nothing in there saying SHE did it, or distributed it... I think she was talking kids in general.

Lias you love stirring up crap......twisting thing around and lying over and over again to make yourself look good.

With so many peop-le on this aganst you, and the majority I've never heard of before this thread Umm I think the main problem here is..... you.

Maybe you need to council yourself?

And to your qiote of my "the few ageplayers ruined it for the many" Yes that's true The few ageplayers DID ruin it for the many non-ageplayers at those places. And both were not shut down by LL, but got a message fro mthe G-team saying roughtly this...

"We've recieved complaints about possible ageplay on your property, please correct this. Future such reports may cause us to close the property.

Key words there "possible" and may". LL never told either place you HAVE to shut down.

You wanna deal with the ageplayers.. oh I'm sorry to you they're pedos.. Why don't you hang around some of the adoption centers looking for ppl with groups listing incest... daddy's little girl.. etc in them?

As I've stated before I'm neither a pedo or ageplayer. I play what I am IRL, a middle age man running a biz.. what you see is what you get, no more no less.

I propose a new forum Law, along the lines of the Godwin thing, for those who invoke "common sense". It always seems to mean "I have no evidence for what I believe and am not prepared to back it up, yet I cannot imagine anybody in their right mind would disagree with me (even if they have evidence to back up their position)".

I still don't see anything that proves your assertion that pedophilia was involved. Ageplay isn't pedophilia, even SEXUAL ageplay isn't pedophilia. That Linden Lab has taken it upon themselves to put an end to ageplay (sexual or not) in SL still doesn't make it pedophilia.

Until you can show otherwise, I'll consider your arguments as no better than the stall floor scrapings of which they are comprised.

Ahhh so there is no way to have that info as fact from Linden Labs...i see! Good to know. Well unless i hear it from them...nope...i dont take it as fact or statement of truth. Sorry, but im not gullible that way...too many people in sl like to spin facts to suit their own situation. far be it from me to try to determine who is telling the truth. good lord, can you believe it, there are even women in SL who are really men in RL???? go figure that someone might not be making factual statements around here....hurrumphh

btw lias...in your professional training re: pedophiles...im wondering if they ever made you listen to the NAMBLA group training...this is where RL pedophiles teach others how to reach kids? You know of NAMBLA right? anyway...they dont tell other pedophiles to hang out in places where there are adults and to try to play mind games with other adults playing out sexual fantasies. also NONE of the actual pedophiles I have ever worked with was the least bit interested in being around adults...

I would be interested where you got your information that they are in fact swarming on SL...was that directly from Linden Labs or another post from anonymous avs? Also please let me know when the pedophile profile changed to include them hanging out with adults and trying to do adult on adult role play? they didnt include that info in my training...

Common sense is an oxymoron and ranks right with the SWAG method (Scientific Wild A** Guess).

Lias seems to assume a lot.. she's never been to the beach. gets her info senond or third hand. And if anyone here would like to drop by and see what REALLY goes on, feel free to IM me in game. I've told the Lindens from the start of the place to drop in any time and spot check.

Oh and Lias... Maybe you should start dealing in cold hard facts and quit assuming things. You know what they say assume "makes an ass of u and me"

Fox News: Pedophile playground discovered in Second Life
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306937,00.html

Meta Scrutiny: Virtual Pedophilia in Second Life
http://metasecurity.net/2007/10/31/virtual-pedophilia-in-second-life/

Foreign Policy: Virtual Pedophilia on Second Life
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2007/05/10/virtual_pedophilia_on_second_life

Clickable Culture: Playing Pedophile in 'Second Life'
http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/playing_pedophile_in_second_life/

Tech Crunch: Virtual pedophilia Report Bad news for Second Life
http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/playing_pedophile_in_second_life/

CTV.ca: Virtual Pedophilia in Second Life causes Concern
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071104/second_life_071104/20071104/

Blogging Stocks: Second Life: Hookup for virtual perophiles?
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/05/09/second-life-hookup-for-virtual-pedophilia/

Destructoid: Second Life can now add rampant pedophilia to its hall of sexual dysfunction

PLEASE NOTE: No use of the word 'ageplay'.

Amazing none of these bloggers were sued for defamation.
But you all keep up the strong front. Your determination is quite inspiring.

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ascii please send me a lm in world...i would like to see for myself before i make any decisions...thanks!

lias...i KNOW you did not just post that your most factual info comes from Fox news...giggling...next we will be seeing elvis return.

Here is a good article; can't figure out if the source is an authority or not, but he makes a lot of sense. Perhaps Jojogirl can confirm it.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.nude/msg/7f2fee23ed256db4?

Here's a slam site that Lias would be proud of:

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/

..and an enlightened response to it from a Christian naturist group:

http://www.figleafforum.com/resources_critics_hall.html

And seems likemost of those links are related to THAT skynews story.

What's funny is in group chat the person who was blamed for that in 2007 because she owned the place, has records of the skynews team coercing the girtls to have sex for LOTS of L$.

Also none of those links are for current news stories.
and jojo, LM sent