Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

Can I have a brief shot at defending pedophilia?

Having a sexual attraction towards children isn't wrong or a crime. It's a pretty normal, natural thing that people have done since the beginning of time. Especially if we're just talking about sexually mature girls of 12/14/16 or whatever.

The way things stand right now it's a crime to harm children and a bunch of peripheral stuff like looking at pictures or drawings of children in sexual situations is also illegal. Pedophilia? Not illegal.

I'm surprised this thread went the way it did really. In this day and age people are scared to even talk about this stuff honestly in case they get accused of being a pedophile. The mere accusation can ruin someone's reputation, career, marriage whether it is a true accusation or not. In America and Britain at least it is so dangerous to speak the truth that the whole issue has been abandoned to rabid crazies with a massive axe to grind.

And your point is?

Stop trying to avoid the question. *YOU* said:-

Now I want to know what those situations were. You said it, you explain it. If you can't explain it, you were making it up, and you know what that makes you, don't you?

i will answer the initial question from Des...what i find broadly offensive in SL and in RL is attempts to intentionally injure or hurt someone else. Things like consenting adults acting like they are horses and having sex, bdsm, rape roleplay etc dont phase me one bit.

But when i see people belittling, attacking, maligning, slandering and such it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. it is just wrong and extremely offensive to me that someone would intentionally seek to cause problems or pain for someone else in order to hurt them or to make a point. things like naming names on these forums, encouraging bloggers to post etc is just not acceptable to me at all. in these cases there are NOT two willing adults, but only one vicious adult and one victim.

things like pedophilia are real life things...images in sl are NOT real life. i have not heard one person in any of these posts endorse or support pedophilia, but they DO support people's right to explore what they like in sl in a consentual setting. I have however heard a TON of people outraged at the intent to slander and malign someone or a group of people here. seems like that is really the RL problem that i find most offensive in sl.

Here we goagain withthe pedophelia..... learn the difference between that and ageplay.

Here once again the defenitions. And I'm looking forward to see what you twist around i nthis.

pedophelia: sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Ageplay is defined as: Ageplay is a form of regressive roleplay in which a physical adult takes on the role of a child. This may be purely regressive (in order to re-experience childhood in a non-sexual sense), or sexual (the roleplaying of a child/adult relationship in sex, which may be a sexual fetish and is often grouped within BDSM).

those are from dictionary.com and reference.com respectively

Now the key difference is a child vs someone roleplaying a child. I don't know of any 10 year olds playing SL, and if a few AHVE snuch in I doubt they're having sex.

Now in LL's terms ageplay means the sexual type, not the regressive.

Also you've said adults have propositioned kids one example is an adult asking a child to go to his house for a bath. Me I'd ban the adult for just that but by LL's policies and by law the offer of sex does not equal sex.

If you see an adult and child av humping like bunnines (and well I'd even say 2 child av's) Then you have a violation of LL policy.

If you see chat with an adult asking a child for sex.. yes it may be immoral but as no sex has occured, not against policy.

The rules I made and myself and the beach patrol enforce, including our zero tolerance policy covers a LOT LL doesn't. I'm more strict than LL is with my rules.But I'm sure you've seen them as you know everything that goue son at the beach... amazing fro someone who's claimed to never be there (at leastt you haven't on THIS av).

wow...

Who showed you an RL photo of me????

We'll be here all night.. Be sure to tip the bartender and enjoy your complimentary pretzels. =^-^=

I have been avoiding saying this because I don't believe it contributes anything to the debate, but I have a particularly DAMN GOOD REASON to NOT defend child molestation (which is what you are INCORRECTLY calling "pedophilia" - I HAPPEN to be a VICTIM of it.

If you think for ONE FUCKING SECOND that I'm defending adults hurting children in a sexual way, you're nothing more than just another clueless, reactionary idiot, which is pretty much what I think most people have been saying to you in this thread since you started in on this segue. Some are being nicer about it than others, but I am not afraid to call a spade a spade.

So stick that in your pipe (or up whatever orifice you choose) and suck on it.



You're in need of far more than an education.

You have a good point as Pedophelia i na psychiatric context is what you say, She's been treating it like it's the sexual molestation of a minor.

Even if it IS meant i nthe psychiatric sense, I'd like to see her degree and license to practice psychyatry and diagnose myself and entire groups as pedophiles.

Pedophelia is a psychological conditionand CAN be diagnosed.

Sexual molestation of a child that's not only illegal, it's just plain wrong.

Now from the posts Lias HAS accused me of being a pedophile because I happen to have been in groups where ageplayers have infiltrated. Umm guess what the age of consent in my state is 16 and I haven't dated a 16 year old since I was 17. If they don't have ID with an age that can get 'em into a bar.. .I don't want them and even that's going pretty young for me.. I prefer 30 and over.

Now in an age where priests are child molesters> let's get priorities straight here. Is it so imporant that cartoon nudity is banned when things like that happen instead?

Notall nudists are pedos and not all pedos are nudists either. Actually the majority aren't. .as they prefer to hide out, or as we refer to them at the naturist places "bushwhackers" (yes I think ya can fighure that out folks. .if not they could get charged with animal abuse for spanking certain types of primates and choking certain poultry.)

If I were a true pedo and/or childmolertor or even an ageplayer yo uthink I'd be sitting here posting defending the rights of nudists be it virtual or real?

Come on everyone, let's sing and dance!

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
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There's something you've forgotten
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When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.
And...always look on the bright side of life...
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For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
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Just before you draw your terminal breath

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When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
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I am as surprised as you. I suppose Linden Labs innocuous rules make them feel confident that they can continue to get away with it unscathed.

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Luckily Linden Lab does not totally agree with you - so depictions of gas chambers and lynchings of minorities were removed from the Second Life Servers. Along with many depictions of pedophilia. Most people know the difference between what is socially acceptable and some have such strong compulsions that they ignore the norms. There is a line one does not cross. It may not be spelled out for you in the TOS - but when you cross it your going it hear about it.

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Talarus I hope the person who did it was brought to justice AND is still rotting away. And I've had a lot of friends who have been molested as minors. Sadly, some never recovered
I'm not defending child molesters, pedophiles or even ageplayers.. just nudists.

Hey we could use a nude dragon on the beach to incenerate any ageplayers... or hm meven those that don't know what pedophelia is.

What bad luck your having.



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I'm very offended by rudness in venues, only being spoken to when they want a donation. as if... I realize the hostess and such get busy and large crowded venues, I do make exceptions.. But if there is 5 people in your club and the only thing you say is... Support our venue.... blah blah... pfft.

Also, in HUB's people talking on voice chat about sex. I do find that offensive. or snorting or laughing... or just being stupid!

People who accidently leave their mic's on is not offensive, but can be annoying.. I know it has happend to me so I dont freak out like some do...


Extreemly offensive : child sex, which I can say I have never seen on SL but if I came across it I would throw up. Also animal sex.. *puke*

Other than that, nothing phases me anymore.

Bling doesnt bother me in the least, HOWEVER when you poof in and billions of grey squarres block my view.. I hate that and will mark as broadly offended.

OH seriously offensive, click click click them freakin heels! STOP just STOP!
I like the lil foot prints left behind on the floor though, thats kinda cool.




I really have had a positive experience with second life and have not run into thing that I find so bad.. honestly, I dont know where you guys go to see all this wild sex but I just have not seen it.

My horse avatar goes "clop clop clop" and leaves horseshoe prints. Is that OK?

If you bring your horse into a venue I am trying to hear music in it is ; ))

The truth is, I have just stoped having sounds on because of the heels and the gesture sounds etc....

What's disturbing is that when you hear about naked avatars run by adults, doing nothing but dancing, you immediately jump to thoughts of child molestation and pedophelia. How you describe it above is a clear indication of imagining it in a real world context, and then having a real world emotional reaction to what you envision. It wasn't "eew, that adults choice of AV in this place is (sorta) inappropriate", it was "ZOMG! get off that kidd you pedo!". You didn't even see them yourself, much less see them screwing! The best suggestion one could give you is to spend a LOT less time in SL, because there's some seriously blurred SL/RL lines going on if you can't see that kind of RL emotional fervor in this scenario is totally misplaced.

Dancing nude with adult nude avatars. I think you may have missed that part - or you sanitized it to make your point.
The same emotional response that was had when the Concentration Camp came to Second Life. It is t be expected when one imagines this level of pediophilia in a RL setting.
Luckily Linden Lab does not agree with you. So when someone in Second Life depicts virtual lynchings because of the color of someone's skin, or assassinates someone because of their heritage - or depicts children nude with nude adults at a party - They look into it and the get rid of it or warn the perpetrators and monitor their activities.
And I am not the one that blurred the lines.

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And I said "4: RL XXX photos in builds and profiles" which was snipped to "RL XXX photos " Big difference!! I believe what I cited is indeed a violation of the ToS. Oh well we *must* be prudes

AC [who picks nits as opposed to cherries]

PS--> IBL and sorry Des that this thread ran so amuck this Full Moon

Lias, Lias, Lias. You still don't get it, do you?

You keep screaming about pedophilia in this thread. Not "simulated pedophilia" or "representations of pedophilia", but actual undeniable pedophilia.

Such an action in Second Life still requires a child's involvement. Not a child avatar, a child. A real child sitting at that computer controlling that avatar, and it doesn't matter one whit whether the avatar in question is a child avatar, an adult avatar, a tiny avatar, or even a giant Isle of Wyrms adult dragon.

As of yet you haven't produced child one to support your claims. Child avatars are not children. Let me say that again. CHILD AVATARS ARE NOT CHILDREN. Two adults, each at least 18 years old, controlling virtual avatars that are not wearing virtual clothing and virtually dancing with each other, doth not a pedophile situation make.

That is fact.

You need another word in front of the word 'pedophilia' to accept it? Whatever.
Linden Lab does not agree with you.
What is also a fact is that anyplace in Second Life that allows public nudity between a child avatar and an adult avatar will attract pedophiles- as is the case with this beach. The Owner of the Beach admitted to this. So why create a situation that would make a pedophile salivate? Why continuously join and create groups that are scrutinized for such activities?

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Any RL situation where you have a (large) gathering of children would also make a pedophile salivate, so we'd better abolish schools.

Any RL situation where you have a (large) gathering of children in bathing costume would also make a pedophile salivate, so we'd better abolish taking a class of children on a swimming lesson, or for that matter, children on beaches.

If you avoided creating situations on the basis that someone might take advantage and abuse that situation, you'd never to anything.

Matthew

So very true, also any situation where there is only one or a few would probably do it too... So let's ban all places, just t be safe.

Another important sweeping assumption might be to ban men and children as they are the main offenders and victims.

Sarcasm aside, it can be the shop owner, a friend, a teacher or just anyone, it's very stupid and dangerous to assume and attack just one lifestyle that does it.

Its possible that nudists and others open about their body and/or sexuality are less prone to it as sexuality isn't so repressed, who really knows.

But it's certainly not just the nudists and people exploring their inner child, that is for sure.

Friends, Lias is quite obviously trenchantly unwilling or sadly incapable of grasping the finer points of this particular debate, preferring to spew out the same monotonous, irrational argument and refusing to let it go.

It's a shame that's she's derailed an otherwise interesting thread, and I'd like to put it on track except that I find the term 'broadly offensive' way too subjective to usefully define

However, very little phases me in SL (or RL for that matter), other than the intolerance some people display toward anything that doesn't accord with their narrow way of thinking, and I could wish that more people had a better grip on the difference between fantasy and reality.

On the subject of Lias' vindictive rant, I'm vehemently opposed to her attitude and muddle-headed, poorly-informed viewpoint, but I can also that there's no point trying to get someone on such a one-eyed mission to see sense, which is why I'm not buying into the debate.

She seems determined to keep going until she gets the last word, so here's a suggestion - next time she posts, let's give it to her!!

The fire can't burn forever with no fuel to fan the flames