Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?
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ASCIIrider Hailey
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06-07-2009 13:39
From: Ian Nider The Christian Church has admitted to it and Mohammad the Islamic Profit had a 9 or so year wife, also schools have it and probably a few other places I can't think of.
I'd figure it goes on mostly in the home with family and the family friends.
Bdsm, I haven't heard of it at all having known bdsm people most of my adult life.
Most people know someone who has been abused, all the people I know who have come from ordinary families and it was parental or older siblings. I know 5 people, one is a bdsmer as an adult and the other 4 are not. Well hey Now someone is going to try getting all Christian and Muslim groups banned as well. The funny part is a lot of the people complaining DO consider themselves Christians. I have nothing against ANY religion but I DO have problems with the radicals, and not just the religious ones, who seem to think their world view is the ONLY one and should be followed by all, no matter what needs to be done to make sure that happens. Really simple thing to do...if it offends you... don't go! Lias' example of the concentration camp.. while I find that not broadly but HIGHLY offensive, unless it's done in a historical context to point out the sins of it. Instead ofgetting people do AR it cause it didn't fit myy idea of right.... I'd just never go. No one is foring anyone to visit or witness anything in SL.. you can TP out at any time. .refuse a tp there.. etc.
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Ian Nider
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06-07-2009 13:42
From: ASCIIrider Hailey Really simple thing to do...if it offends you... don't go! Lias' example of the concentration camp.. while I find that not broadly but HIGHLY offensive, unless it's done in a historical context to point out the sins of it. Instead ofgetting people do AR it cause it didn't fit myy idea of right.... I'd just never go. No one is foring anyone to visit or witness anything in SL.. you can TP out at any time. .refuse a tp there.. etc.
Yep.
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06-07-2009 13:43
Don't forget Gandhi. Pep (He was a father at 15.)
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ASCIIrider Hailey
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06-07-2009 13:48
From: Pserendipity Daniels Don't forget Gandhi.
Pep (A father at 15.) Well likeI said before if you REALLY wanna twist things around.. Christians also condone incest. There was Adam and Eve... and they had children.. where did any after that come from?. Therefore as they consider the bible as law.... they condne incest. When I used that exampleto Lias, I was called sick for thinking it. And to the Christians I don't mean to offend.. I'm just pointing out anything can be twisted into something bad. .even the bible, to get my point across here abou the spin doctor job put o nthe accusations against nudists.
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Lias Leandros
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06-07-2009 13:50
From: Briana Dawson And finally, this is SL, so this topic of child avatars/pedophilia is really based on histrionics and drama mongering. Thankfully Linden Lab does not agree with you. From: someone If you want to label others, keep it to yourself and keep on moving since the majority of us do not want this issue of child avatars/nudity/pedophilia thrown in our faces repeatedly because some close minded person is on a rant. The first person to respond to the thread was you. No one used 20 pages to debate what you found offensive. Aren't you lucky? .
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Milla Janick
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06-07-2009 13:53
You know, now that I think about it, there is one thing that really, really offends me.
Being lied to. Not the little white lie, storytelling or roleplaying. I mean the big lie. Someone looking you in the eye when you ask them a question and telling you they think you're stupid by telling you a bald faced lie.
No, it's not broadly offensive, but it offends the hell out of me.
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ASCIIrider Hailey
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06-07-2009 14:00
From: Lias Leandros Thankfully Linden Lab does not agree with you. . Actually no it's morelike LL doesn't agree woth you Lias. from the Clarification of Policy Disallowing Ageplay. posted here https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/11/14/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplayFrom: someone There are three key aspects, which are in breach of the Community Standards:
(1) participation by Residents in lewd or sexual acts in which one or more of the avatars appears to represent minors (or the depiction of such acts in images, video, textures, or text) is a violation of the Community Standards;
(2) promoting or catering to such behavior or representations violates our Community Standards. For instance, the placement of avatars appearing to represent minors in proximity to “sex beds” or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts, would violate our Community Standards, as would the placement of sexualized “pose balls” or other content in areas depicting playgrounds or children’s spaces;
(3) the graphic depiction of children in a sexual or lewd manner violates our Community Standards.
Now since that was posted by. .and the link tothe blog was sent to me by... LINDENS How can you evven use LL as a reference in this? Let's look at the above.. and at my beach there are NO sex balls, beds poses etc. dancing and frolicking is not considered lewd conduct.. dressed OR nude. Graphic depictions.. would be erections on males or legs spread wide on females. now while some show up with erections, if it's seen they're tp'd to their home location...and it's even funnier when some stil lhave the default of a Welcome Area as their home point. Now in that entire blog..I don't see the words nude child avatar anywhere. Nor do I see the word pedophile. ALL I see is child avatars being around or engaging in sexual activities. Also not included in that is the "if you do not agree with a place that's in compliance with these policies you have the right to complain loudly with false informatin i nthe SL forums"
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Lias Leandros
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06-07-2009 14:06
From: ASCIIrider Hailey Actually no it's morelike LL doesn't agree woth you Lias. She said to dismiss pedophilia as hysterics. And Linden Lab does not dismiss it as hysterics. Thankfully. From: someone Now in that entire blog..I don't see the words nude child avatar anywhere. ALL I see is child avatars being around or engaging in sexual activities. I said you function in a grey area that will, I hope be dragged out into teh light once they finalize the rules regarding Adult activities in Second Life. You will probably wiggle your way around that also - but it may put a damper on your activties. .
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Briana Dawson
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06-07-2009 14:07
Pedophilia in SL = histrionics.
Yes.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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06-07-2009 14:11
AsciiRider is trouble with a capital T, that rhymes with P and that stands for Pedophile!
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ASCIIrider Hailey
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06-07-2009 14:21
From: Lias Leandros She said to dismiss pedophilia as hysterics. And Linden Lab does not dismiss it as hysterics. Thankfully. . You've used LL doesn't see it that way in quite a few posts. While I agree with and support the ageplay policy LL has, my beach rules are a lot more strict thanLL's own ageplay policy. I'm sure yo uhave a copy fom your plants. and yes they are enforced. .but like I said not even LL's enforcement catches every violation of anything not is it acted upon immediately in all cases. Nothhing is 100% foolproof and if something comes close. .then a better fool comes out is all. In other words this hysteria about virtual pedos... al lthis is going to do is make the actual onesgo undercover even more... .be more secretive and create groups where unless you're wel ltrusted you can'tge in.
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Talarus Luan
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06-07-2009 14:23
From: Damien1 Thorne Or maybe you just enjoy being a jackass. QFT
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Briana Dawson
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06-07-2009 14:26
Well if the grid was for all ages. It would not be histrionics.
But since we are all adults here.... It is just drama mongering.
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Jojogirl Bailey
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06-07-2009 14:33
Just curious...i wonder if lias considers her location where people eat off other people to be fostering dolcett which is the actual eating of humans. if we take the same logic used to equate child av nudity with encouraging RL pedophiles to act....shouldnt we also see a site in SL that allows folks to eat off each others bodies as encouraging the deviant practice of eating humans?
My understanding of this is "snuff, consensual cannibalism, sexual cannibalism, torture, sex, death and fine dining." if pixel adults dancing with pixel children encourages rl pedophilia, then i would certainly assume that lias' location and activities encourage rl murder, cannibalism, torture etc. personally that completely creeps me out much more.
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Talarus Luan
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06-07-2009 14:36
Hell, I dance nude with nude "child" avs all the time.
Come to the IoW Festivals sometime. You can see NAKED ADULTS DANCING WITH NAKED CHILDREN. They're mostly Dragons, but that shouldn't deter the witchhunt-minded folks here.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-07-2009 14:42
From: Briana Dawson I never have. Consider... I'm comparing "nothing" to "next to nothing". So, your point is totally valid. =^-^=
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Ishina Xue
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06-07-2009 14:43
Lias Leandros is a murdering torturer with a taste for human flesh. A friend of a friends brothers dogwalkers auntie saw them do it. I have proof, but I don't even need to prove it to you heathens. Don't argue with me or you will prove that you defend murderers and torture. End of conversation.
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06-07-2009 14:54
OMG! Heh.... IBTL. =^-^=
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06-07-2009 14:57
From: Tomas Gandini What I might do to the TOS or CS or what laws I might get rid of or amend is totally irrelevant to the OP's question and would be way off topic as is Lias pedo rant.
Quite a dodge. Lias draws her line in the sand very clearly, answers the OP's question, and you call it a 'rant'. From: someone There are any number of things that I find offensive at different levels of offense. I stated what I found "broadly"offensive. I guess you missed the OP's question.
No, I read the OP's question very clearly. It is you that has totally dodged this question by waiting until others have answered, and saying you find their positions offensive to you. But you won't step up to the mark, and draw your own line in the sand, so that others can snipe at you. I have reservations with some of the things Lias said, but at least she did have the guts to state her line in the sand, quite clearly, and unambiguously. It is easy to snipe at other's positions once they have stated them, but you should have at least the courage of your convictions and state your own. This is not 'irrelevant', but exactly pertinent to the OP's question. Rock
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Lias Leandros
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06-07-2009 14:57
From: ASCIIrider Hailey You've used LL doesn't see it that way in quite a few posts. While I agree with and support the ageplay policy LL has, my beach rules are a lot more strict thanLL's own ageplay policy. I'm sure yo uhave a copy fom your plants. The only copy I have is the one you gave me last night. If you did not insist upon allowing nude child avatars to be there with nude adult avatars the ocurence of pedophilia would not be so high at your beach and you would not be so scrutinized and easily labeled. From: someone and yes they are enforced. .but like I said not even LL's enforcement catches every violation of anything not is it acted upon immediately in all cases. The trend with LL is that when they find an offense almost unenforceable they blanket ban it. Hopefully all of these ARs at the attention you are getting will lead to that. From: someone In other words this hysteria about virtual pedos... al lthis is going to do is make the actual onesgo undercover even more... .be more secretive and create groups where unless you're wel ltrusted you can'tge in. Well at least when they go under cover they can get a virtual suntan and have a swim until the coast is clear again. .
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Luna Xaris
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06-07-2009 15:08
well, havnt read last 7 pages...
Reading all the other pages where making me sick enough.
Seems like some people where waiting for a second haircolor as god handed out the brains !!!!
Greetings from Luna Full time child avatar, member of that bad bad bad group und still not interested in any kind of sexual content of second life !
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Tegg Bode
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06-07-2009 15:29
From: Briana Dawson Sigh...
There is no pedophilia in SL.
But there is virtual pedophilia, which is a "sexual perversion in which virtual children are the preferred sexual object".
I also do not understand the fascination with being a nude child avatar, or a child avatar dressed in the most sexiest manner possible.
Fine, make a child avatar, live your lollipop life, its fun, i understand. But when a child avatar is dressed in clothing generally reserved for adults in sexual situations, then i tend to think that person portraying the child avatar is getting turned on by looking at themselves dressed in a sexually alluring manner. Or else why do it? I mean, 1+1 = 2; and a spade is after all, a spade. If looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
The bottom line is that some things are just inappropriate, and just because this is SL where everyone is adult does not make those things any less inappropriate, it makes it more so since people are more likely to assign some sort of rational to your intentions regardless of the fact that no children are being hurt - so you may end up labeled or silently identified as a pedo-like person because of some of the things i listed above.
And finally, this is SL, so this topic of child avatars/pedophilia is really based on histrionics and drama mongering.
If you want to label others, keep it to yourself and keep on moving since the majority of us do not want this issue of child avatars/nudity/pedophilia thrown in our faces repeatedly because some close minded person is on a rant. There's no real Pedophiles in the internet either, but that doesn't stop poilce monitoring sites, siezing computers and arresting people. Feel free to try to explain to a court and the media after you've been labeled on national news how SL isn't like the rest of the internet. I'm sure everyone will understand.
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06-07-2009 15:46
From: Tegg Bode There's no real Pedophiles in the internet either, but that doesn't stop poilce monitoring sites, siezing computers and arresting people. Feel free to try to explain to a court and the media after you've been labeled on national news how SL isn't like the rest of the internet. I'm sure everyone will understand. + 1 I wonder how many would argue their views in the letters column of their local newspaper, away from the anonymity of SL? Rock
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Milla Janick
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06-07-2009 15:51
From: Tegg Bode There's no real Pedophiles in the internet either, but that doesn't stop poilce monitoring sites, siezing computers and arresting people. Feel free to try to explain to a court and the media after you've been labeled on national news how SL isn't like the rest of the internet. I'm sure everyone will understand. Well, yeah, there are. There are people arranging to meet minors for sex, there are people exchanging child pornography. Those are both very real crimes. They are slightly more serious than talking dirty to a fifty year old dude pretending to be a little girl.
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06-07-2009 17:26
From: Milla Janick Well, yeah, there are. There are people arranging to meet minors for sex, there are people exchanging child pornography. Those are both very real crimes.
They are slightly more serious than talking dirty to a fifty year old dude pretending to be a little girl. Try explain the difference to the general public on the national news sometime.........
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