Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

Bizarre exchange boardering on pandering.

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I was unaware that death & cannibalism were major requirements for most Dolcett play.

If people can't tell the difference between a child and a fifty year old man, they're far beyond my help.

Maybe, but they're not beyond locking you up for it.

For "molesting" a fifty year old dude?

I've pretty much seen it all so not much can offend me. However I do consider certain things like bestiality and pedophilia broadly offensive, and it would be a big mistake not to separate this kind of behavior from other more healthy types of perversion. I've noticed a fringe of libertine minded people who seem to think that ANYTHING goes, but it shouldn't. These two things can never be made acceptable and I wouldn't make the mistake of normalizing or associating sexual freedom with this sort of behavior. To me it isn't necessarily a morality judgment, where people should have a right to think whatever they want, but more of an issue of decency. There is nothing wrong with decency!

Beyond that people should be free to do anything they want in private without having busy-bodies inviting themselves into their personal affairs. Their are too many people who won't mind their own damn business! However I don't see anything wrong with people who would prefer not to be exposed to certain things, I don't want to be exposed to pedophilia and bestiality myself and it doesn't make me some kind of ultra-conservative religious fanatic. This seems to be how anyone is painted if they say something against the grain on these forums.

I do think its inappropriate for children to be exposed to pornography and foul language. I think a lot of people are sincerely innocent and naive, which isn't a bad thing, and it doesn't hurt to show them a little consideration so they can preserve this as long as possible. Once it's gone its gone and when you've done just about everything being a perv sort of loses its excitement! On the other hand a lot of people have lost their innocence at a young age, or have been there and done that, and are obviously going to have a different level of tolerance for what they care to be exposed to or participate in than a more sheltered person. The solution has to be that these types of people stay out of each other's business!

Dolcett definitions:

"Dolcett draws scenes of bondage, extreme torture including impalement, cannibalism (specifically gynophagia), and murder or execution of nude women, often representing these acts as consensual.


"What is Dolcett play you ask? Well Dolcett is a cartoonist specializing in the graphic depiction of the hanging, decapitation, butchering, live skewing, roasting, and eating of women."

Dolcett play is acting out those things.

Hope that helps clarify.

Lines in the sand have a habit of getting blown away with the next big wind that comes along.

Lias has gone way beyond answering the question. A simple "I find pedophilia offensive" was all that was need to answer the OP's question. I think that multiple posts spouting the same thing over and over and over ad nauseum could be classed as a rant.

I stated very simply and clearly what I find offensive. It wasn't directed toward any one person and I don't have a need to explain myself or expand on what I find offensive to you or anyone else. If you don't like my answer that is your problem not mine. Deal with it.

Alot of people are classified as ranters in this thread. Don't feel excluded.

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It's not the ones who don't want to be exposed to such things that get painted as fanatics, it's the ones who don't want to be exposed to it and crusade like morality police to have it banned that get painted that way. Like many, I don't want to be exposed to that stuff either, but that doesn't mean I have a right to deny others of it as long as it's acceptable under the rules. I support freedom, reguardless of whether I'll use it or not. It's the selfish "customization" of SL to the point that it infringes or denies other people freedoms that so many people get pissed off about.

This 'selfish customization' bought us the end of adfarmers, botting and camping. We insisted upon and got some 'customization' that addressed the rampant pedophilia issues in 2007. Seilfish Customization sounds good to me. I am quite sure the next round of selfish customizations in Second Life will re-address child avatar interactions.

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If it quacks like a duck...
I was addressing Lori and her concern about people getting painted or labeled here in the forums by explaining in some part WHY that happens. I wasn't, however, addressing your tangent or offering any further fodder for your 15 minutes of shame.

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Individuals cannot be labeled in the forums because naming names is not allowed. The shame comes when internet gangs and group thinkers assume that their pile-on of opinion can silence one person.

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I don't mean to ignore you JoJogirl - but I am ignoring you. And I will tell you why:
When someone posts something - you do not grab the keyboard and defend yourself against it - for 20 pages - if it does not apply to you. Unless, of course you protest too much and you actually have something to hide.
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This goes back to one of my earlier points that a lot of people understand that the hysteria over protecting children from imaginary dangers is absurd yet they can't speak about it freely.

As for something else someone wrote. I'm not sure of the current status since it keeps getting appealed and overturned and then rewritten back into law but last I heard looking at pornographic, cartoon images of children was in fact illegal in the US. That is to say, seeing children dancing naked with naked adults in SL is probably a crime. Let alone actually doing it.

*Edit: More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_pornography#Cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors

What you don't seem to understand is people aren't protesting or defending in support of a right to pedo, they are protesting against you and your approach. You have consistently and viciously attacked people accusing them of being pedo's and here you insinuate it again, would you prefer people just shut up while you slandered them or others that critisised you as sex criminals.

You openly encouraged others to blog about the people you accused, you openly state you have spys in their group, your mad, truly barking mad.

'hysteria' and 'imaginary dangers' are quite dismissive terms to use when talking about the safety of children. You may be pandering for the group-thinkers.

Well I will make an effort to find that and get a copy to Linden Lab's legal department. This may assist them while they write their new adult TOS. Thanks for the information.

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Whether it is illegal in the US or not, the critical factor here is they have to be PORNOGRAPHIC images. There is nothing pornographic about nudity or dancing per se, even if carried out in tandem. Even erotic dancing would have to be at the extreme end of the spectrum to be considered pornographic.

Equally, there is nothing inherently pornographic about people of any age dancing naked together - in addition to those who choose a naturist lifestyle, just take a look at many of our indigenous cultures worldwide.

No they are not. Imnotgoing posted to defend a particular place - and from then on the pile-on continued. And others posted what offended them without such reaction. At least two peopel posted agreeing with me and no one quoted them and responded. It's just a group-think mob.
My post on page 17 was not directed to anyone. People made it personal. That's their problem. I do not fold under the pressure from group-thinkers. That technique works on many in the forums but not me.
I told them if they have evidence then blog it - do not send it to me. I do not have spies in their group. I never even heard of SL pedophiles until I saw that thread in the xstreet forums. These people against SL pedophilia keep sending me IMs. e-mails and private messages on the forums - and I do not know them. 4 years in SL and I rarely leave the parcels I pay to use on the mainland.

I just was participating in a forum - and Imnotgoing started a sh**t storm. You all just happen to run into someone who is not emtionally invested in stopping pedophilia in SL - so I can't be baited or insulted - and I certaintly cannot be bullied. Your tough luck. But hey, posting in public forums is always a crap shoot. Better luck next time.

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It may be considered pornographic if the screen shot includes nude adults also. I do think that is one of the things that makes it pornography.
This theory will be tested.

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At present, it isn't. The SCOTUS' last ruling on it says that, if no children are involved, no laws are being broken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

The "sexual ageplay" situation in SL wouldn't even fall afoul of the DISSENTING opinion in that case, because there is NO DOUBT that SL is NOT a photorealistic depiction, nearly indistinguishable from reality. Hence:

Yes, I am in fact dismissing the safety of children. I do indeed pander to those you are calling group thinkers.

pornography/n.1 the explicit description or exhibition of sexual activity in literature, films, etc., intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings. 2 literature etc. characterised by this [source: Australian Concise Oxford Dictionary]

Anyone having trouble with this definition should also research the words 'explicit' and pay attention to the reference to 'sexual activity'.

Nudity and dancing in mixed or single-sex groups, with or without children, whether in the flesh or pixellated, do not automatically fall into pornographic territory. Of itself, this simply is not sexual activity.

The type of person who does find such imagery erotically stimulating is likely to be just as turned on - if not more so - by images in the K-Mart catalogue.

Because it isn't doing anything against the TOS. You need to wait until somone is proven guilty before you slander them.

If it's a mass opinion it is because most people hate your vigilante psychopath style, people here have said to you to lobby all you like, just do it with out false accusation and slander.

Telling people to slander on blogs is just irresponsible.

But then again your style and approach is a such a hilarious and apt model for the thought police that we should encourage you.

So you bully people and they bite back harder. It's what happens when you do this kind of railing on others.

By the way, your theory of protest is guilt, your pretty loud in this thread yourself.

What's your guilt in all of this?

Ashcroft v Free Speech was 2002, there were lots of changes since then.

For example, in 2005 someone was convicted of owning Hentai and the conviction was upheld in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#Section_1466A

We can all argue till we're blue in the face about edge cases on whether images in SL are photorealistic or pornographic. Nonetheless, an overzealous District Attorney will make your life a living hell for it's miserable remainder if he choose to apply these statutes. At the very least you'll end up going to trial and forced to defend yourself against being a dirty, evil, pedophile with your face splashed all over the news.