Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

Oh dear! What a skilled, erudite and well-argued proposition. I am afraid that I have no riposte to such convincing argument.

Pep (Other than to say that the same appears to apply to you as Mickey, except she has an excuse that she doesn't understand English very well because it is not her first language.)

It's only 8pm and I'm stone cold sober.

Pep (But if I wasn't, as Winston Churchill once said to a female that made a similar accusation, at least I won't still be ugly in the morning.)

Why are you still trying to reason with this screwball?

Yeah but he won't listen.

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Which one? (^_^)

LOLOL

P(ee)s (ok! this one made me really laugh)

Yes, you wont listen.

Ishna, there is nothing to listen to. I stated I found child nude avatars interacting with nude adult avatars in Second Life offensive. Why do you see the need to 'talk me down'?

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That was what I was thinking..

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No. That was me replacing baseless accusations with facts. (^_^)

See. The beach is not "for child avatars", it's all inclusive. The person who created the 0-day alt to open that thread was an ejected member of the beach at first with a vendetta to incite false information about the place and spread rumors. And, you simply delivered an emotional response about a real place with real people that don't appreciate being told they have to be banned for what ~YOU~ believe to be a troublesome arrangement based on a lack of realistic offense taken. (=_=)

You seemed to have equated Dancing(Evil) + Nudity(Evil) + KidAVs(Evil) = EPIC EVIL.

The problem is, you didn't expect any of these little deviants to be vocal. You figured you already spotted a criminal hiding out in their 'safehouse' and you could say what you want. (=_=)

Sorry. No crime committed here. Have a nice day, you're on your own, good night. (^_^)y

You are f-ing crazy, that's why.

Yep.

No You're twistign it again I said I wouldn't put her an a room full of known pedophiles/childmolesters. And show me ONE...JUST ONE instance where I've caused a RL child to be exposed to nudity in SL.



The problem is you LIED here and to me inIM's saying it happened on my beach, while the eject still stands cause hey they could have always done it on my beach. He was booted from my group for not doing the offence on the group land or in the group chat. Yet you told me he did. Know what? I really don't give a rat's posterior opening what my group memebers do outside of the beach land and group chat, it's not my respoinsibility to deal with. I patrol MY area, not all of SL like you.



Until Friday the landing area was open access with a group join sign and the rules there for them to be read and the sign said read them and agree befgore joining. I HAD to put it on group only for the entire sim doe to the post on xstreet.Why? cause I then becamea target for any "high moralist" in SL.I had people comingb by to AR me and the beach who never stuck around enough for things to rez.. just long enough to pop in, hit Report abuse and TP out. Xstreet had a few comments about "I'm going to TP there and AR it". NOT go check for myself. .but go.. just to AR.

As for inviting.. ummm see the open access at the landing hut and group join sign. people invited themself by clicking it and then from group info selecting join.



No YOU keep losing focus of the core issue you're confusing SL with RL. You keep refering to these as REAL children. .without parents supervision. What are ya gonna do after age verification is mandatory and everyone on the grid is PROVEN to be over 18?

Now how do you know how long I've spend debating this? Considering before Friday you didn't even know I exsisted. And I've only run the place since Dec, and the 1st time I was even AT an all age nudist area in SL was Oct.

And yeah I'll say there's probably some verified RL pedos who come to my beach Not like they wear a sign saying "I'm a real pedo" Also like you saw last night, you sent me a name of someone who was hitting on child av's and I kicked them. .like I do any other person. It wasn't done just to appease you. I did it because the person was attempting to talk someone into ageplay.. .pure and simple. Do I know this person is a pedo? nope may be a roleplayer. Now to cite your Welcome area thing and getting a linden there when help is needed.. Doesn't my beach deserve the same kind of allowance that it can NOT be manned 24/7 and anything sent to me wil lbe dealt with as soon as I log in? Or as the cvase has been a few times I'd be off sim..get an IM and deal with it.

Your thing is cause 1 or 2 are caught by the plants you have (and I'd be willing to bet that a lot of that is staged) That condemns everyone in the group who is just there as a nudist? Quite a few on my beach their av's have not even HAD sex..ever from what they tell me.

Now.. what about kid av's who try picking up adult ones? I've had it happen at places. What do you call them? ADULTophiles? It's NOT just the adultav's doing this but the adults pretending to be kids.... C'mon now.... 9 year old Jane Doe in SL is probably 39 year old John Smith IRL. You need to distinguish between reality and fantasy! Or are yo uthe type that believes ALL females in SL are really women?

That suite at the Hotel Reality is still reserved for you. The ONLY thing in SL that IS real is that it's real people. .with real feelings behind the av's.

Also you keep saying LL is in AMERICA... then fine quit supressingmy right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Well hmmm Since Friday I haven't feelt al lthat free or happy.. I stil lhave 1 of the 3... but what next going to send a hitman after me to take that away too?

Let's analyse the risk.

SL is consensual - you can't be forced to do anything you have to chose to do it (OK, there's the restrained life viewer but you have to chose to use that) - in any case you can always stop an activity by tp-ing out, logging off or switching your computer off (the latter being still an option with the restrained life viewer).

To use SL you are supposed to be over 18.

So the worst that can happen is that two adults consensually create a fictional depictation of a pedophilic act. This is a criminal act both within SL and many RL areas, so if witnesses should be reported as such. However, no real children are involved.

Now, I do know that there are unfortunately under 18s who sneak into SL. However, it seems unlikely that such under 18s would draw attention to themselves by using child avatars - they are more likely to be using an adult avatar. Moreover they are more likely if they have entered SL to find sex to be at the more hard core sex clubs than a "no sex allowed" nudist beach!. As such, there is a real risk for anyone at a sex club that the person you are having virtual sex with although an adult avatar is really a minor behind the controls. This is a far more serious outcome - this is simulated sex with a real minor. By your reasoning we should hence ban all virtual sex from SL and close down all sexual related clubs and areas - "better safe than sorry".

Matthew

Well it is a vast improvement from your 'anyone nude (including child avatars) is welcome' Policy.
I think they were broadly offended from the concept of your nude child/nude adult interaction facility. They let you knwo how they feel about that by ARing you. You have to figure it will happen - Don't think it's pesonal.
Remember what I said about the concentration camp in SL? There is no real concentration camp now (I hope) But the virtual idea of it was so offensive to so many in SL that Linden Lab banned it. And that's my stance; the idea of what you imagined and developed on the Second Life server is extremely offensive to me.
Hopefully be at your goodbye celebration.
The other two groups you were in got caught and shut down. You had to figure your number would come up at some time.



Child nude avatars - pedophiles. Why develop this situation?
Pursuing happiness with a nude avatar with nude child avatars is offensive to me.

You do have a bizarre fixation and fascination. Your fixation comes from the fact that I repeatedly call you out on bad behavior....and will continue to do so. The fact that my English, grammar, spelling, and comprehension is just fine....annoys you to no end....and gives you nothing for fodder, so now you have resorted to twisting the content.

The content I offered is no different from the content offered by some others in this discussion....further emphasizing this bizarre fascination of yours.

Your comments addressing me directly with blatant insults, are out of line in this discussion.
If I may borrow your quote:



Please pardon the interruption.

No accusations. Fact.
Who cares who was banned from there? It wasnt a real place until you and ASCIIrider made it a real place.
not 'seem' that is the exact equation.
You little deviants can be as vocal as you want.
This is not the police blotter.

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I never have.

Jeez... Talk about

The Christian Church has admitted to it and Mohammad the Islamic Profit had a 9 or so year wife, also schools have it and probably a few other places I can't think of.

I'd figure it goes on mostly in the home with family and the family friends.

Bdsm, I haven't heard of it at all having known bdsm people most of my adult life.

Most people know someone who has been abused, all the people I know who have come from ordinary families and it was parental or older siblings. I know 5 people, one is a bdsmer as an adult and the other 4 are not.

I've never seen signs of pedophilia in the BDSM circles I've encountered, either.

Neither have I.

Sigh...

There is no pedophilia in SL.

But there is virtual pedophilia, which is a "sexual perversion in which virtual children are the preferred sexual object".

I also do not understand the fascination with being a nude child avatar, or a child avatar dressed in the most sexiest manner possible.

Fine, make a child avatar, live your lollipop life, its fun, i understand. But when a child avatar is dressed in clothing generally reserved for adults in sexual situations, then i tend to think that person portraying the child avatar is getting turned on by looking at themselves dressed in a sexually alluring manner. Or else why do it? I mean, 1+1 = 2; and a spade is after all, a spade. If looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

The bottom line is that some things are just inappropriate, and just because this is SL where everyone is adult does not make those things any less inappropriate, it makes it more so since people are more likely to assign some sort of rational to your intentions regardless of the fact that no children are being hurt - so you may end up labeled or silently identified as a pedo-like person because of some of the things i listed above.

And finally, this is SL, so this topic of child avatars/pedophilia is really based on histrionics and drama mongering.

If you want to label others, keep it to yourself and keep on moving since the majority of us do not want this issue of child avatars/nudity/pedophilia thrown in our faces repeatedly because some close minded person is on a rant.

Jerry Lee Lewis also married his 11 or 13 year old cousin.

But, oh ya! We are talking about SL...

Elvis.