Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

Further, though a non-legal conclusion on the situation in the US:



Nude kids dancing with nude adults in a nudist beach venue in SL doesn't qualify under that standard.

I posted what offended me. No one person was mentioned. No one place was mentioned. Imnotgoing and ASCIIrider made it personal. That's their problem.
I do not care what 9 anonymous people 'hate'. You cannot be slandered if you do not inject yourself into the role of the people I am talking about. You identify yourself on the other side of the subject I have found offensive. Thats your problem.
Screenshots are not slander. Just google "pedophilia in SL" to see all the pictures of avatars used in these blogs concerning the subject.
Ian, you are encouraging me.
I can take it. Thank you for your concern.
Guiltry of thinking that depicting nude child avatars interacting with nude adult avatars is wrong. Please see my first post on page 17 if you have forgotten.

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I like SL's better-safe-than-sorry attitude toward such things. Really - The new Adult TOS will more than likely address this. SL is taking a stronger stance on things - the banning of bots and camping came out of nowhere.

If they are truly Disneying SL - this nude child/nude adult interaction may be on the chopping block - US Law notwithstanding. (we can only hope).
You all may need to grab your underwear and cover up - watch the SL Community Blog.

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That was from the PROTECT Act of 2003, so yeah, but the SCOTUS hasn't yet weighed in on any cases prosecuted under it as yet.

Whorley's case is being appealed to it, but has not yet been granted cert. Handley accepted a guilty plea bargain for the obscenity charge on the advice of his lawyer, so SCOTUS will likely never see it without a special consideration. Even still, if Whorley successfully challenges it to the SCOTUS, it will likely impact Handley's situation as well.



An overzealous DA can make your life miserable for literally any reason. That rationalization is no more valid than worrying if you're gonna get blown up by terrorists tomorrow. I refuse to live in fear of What The Government May Do To Me(tm). I'll live my life the way I please, and if the government wants to intervene, they are more than welcome to try. If they are in the wrong, it's gonna be one long, tough, EXPENSIVE fight.

Yeah, for you. Civil Servants enjoy the work.

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Fine, but surely you'll agree with me that the legality of playing a naked avatar and dancing with naked children is still yet to be decided with certainty.

Lias, I find commercial signatures like yours that take up 1/2 my screen to be broadly offensive. Mmm k?

Personally, I don't care all that much. I'm a Dragon in SL and I dance/play/frolic nude with nude Dragon offspring in a PG setting quite often, and no one gives a crap. There's nothing about it that is in any way improper. If we see or get reports of someone soliciting Dragon (or really, any species) SEXUAL ageplay, they get eaten, then banned (or is it banned and then eaten? I forget).

However, that's not terribly surprising; our society tends to be a lot more evolved and egalitarian than human society. As such, we don't have LL's scrutiny on the matter, nor do we anticipate it.

I'm sorry that humans can't live together with such harmony, but that's just the way it has to be, I suppose. It's in their nature to make mountains from pebbles and to vilify nature and things they don't understand about it.

The new "Adult ToS" "team" already has addressed nude establishments. They are presently considered "mature" until and unless overtly suggestive or sexual activity is present as well. The ageplay rules haven't changed, either. Sexual ageplay is still verboten, but non-sexual ageplay (including mixed nude child and adult avatars) is not.



Perhaps, but Blondin et al have yet to say that it is, and the question has been asked several times now.

Oh, you don't speak for me, so *YOU* "can only hope". I don't particularly care one way or another. I certainly don't hope for some activity to be curtailed for one species that my species takes for granted.

If LL decides that Dragons need to wear clothing OR underwear, that's when I know for sure that they don't need me as a customer anymore. You know what, though? I am good with that. My money is just as good to other, more intelligent platform operators.

This is the small version of it. Folks ask me to make it smaller and I did. You know I like to get along with people.

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Won't cost me a dime. You forget those same civil servants can also work for the DEFENDANT, too.

No, it will be expensive for the TAXPAYERS. You know, people like YOU.

Talarus, there is no such thing as a dragon.
drag‧on:a large imaginary animal that has wings and a long tail and can breathe out fire.
There are human children and there is internet pedophilia and pedophilia in SL. I see no reason to temp fate by making an effort to have child avatars nude with adult avatars. We do not need t entertain the imaginations of pedophiles. That is something that SL should not be known for - again.
I, like you, thought pedophilia was a 'pebble' in SL. I was amazed to find the mountain. It is quite unsettling.
You need to attend Blondin's weekly meetings. The TOS changes every week to get ready for the new Adult TOS. First sex beds were fine - not they are not. The squeaky wheel gets the grease - and the anti-nude child avatar folk are squeaking quite loudly right now.
Dear, WE hope. Many people.
Blue Mars needs dragons.
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That's a nonsensical situation, unless you mean me playing a naked ADULT avatar which is dancing in a COMPLETELY CONSENSUAL non-photorealistic virtual setting with naked "children avatars", nominally portrayed by adults as well (quite a difference from what you said, especially in a legal context). A portrayal where there is EXTREMELY little to no expectation that it is representing REAL children.

If you are asking me if that specific instance has been decided in a legal venue with certainty, of course it hasn't, but it isn't remotely a relevant concern. The legality of me taking a left out of my driveway every day also has yet to be decided with the same level of legal certainty, but I feel pretty safe doing it, and will continue on doing it without concern over whether it is a legal problem.

As I said, I already participate nude (both in adult and hatchling forms) with other nude adults and hatchlings of my species in the same virtual environment. If some DA wants to try and gank me for it, he can feel free to give it his best shot. I will personally enjoy demolishing his career in the courtroom.

You are definitely a dancing dragon. You danced all around that question.
Yes, because we know that anyone accused of internet child porn comes out of a courtcase unscathed and a hero to the people. I am sure Linden Lab would love for you to drag their name into a public courthouse to defend virtual pedophilia on their servers. That sounds like a great idea.

But before you do you may want to give your stuff away and sell your land.
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No for cybering with a minor, whether they broke the TOS or not. or having images of nude under age avatars on your computer, sure you can fight it in court and win, but the damage is done by then.

So people who only do one of the above terms are still Dolcett practitioners so therefore grouped in the same basket?
Doing the same to men is not Dolcett?
I just imagine if Dolcett did frequently involve canibalism and death there would be a lot more people arrested for it. Whereas extreme sexual torture could possibly happen more often and cause less problems with authorities and also have repeat sessions with the same partner who crazy or not may get off on pain,
Murder, canibalism, impalement & execution ususally mean the partner can't play with you again.

Fine, I won't argue with you any further. I'll just point you to stories about a few people who's lives were ruined by false accusations of pedohpilia for similarly innocuous events and leave it at that.

http://www.popphoto.com/Features/How-a-Photo-Can-Ruin-Your-Life

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2244168/posts

And whatever sexting story you want to post here as well.

You have an 8-line screen? You using a calculator?

You can only say "to be offensive", not "to be broadly offensive", unless you are speaking for a large number of people.

Sorry for pointing that out, no offense meant, but several people in this thread have confused personal offense with broad offense.

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What does that have to do with anything?

In the REAL world, perhaps. In SL, we exist just as much as any "human" can.



1) There are (nominally) no human "children" in SL.
2) Whether there is "internet pedophilia" (WETF that is; I don't know what an "internet child" would be) is irrelevant to SL. SL isn't the internet.
3) There is no "pedophilia" in SL because of 1).
4) I have no idea what you even MEAN by "pedophilia". The word "pedophilia" (or, more properly "paedophilia" literally means "love (the Platonic, friendship kind) of children". Paederasty is the "erotic) love of children". If you mean that, see 3) and 1).
5) In line with your kind of reasoning, I see no reason to tempt fate by even having SL in the first place. Bad Things(tm) can happen here, so it would be best to not have a place where said Things could happen. We certainly don't need to entertain the imaginations of (insert anyone that someone considers "bad" here).
6) Some people prefer the concept of "Guilty until proven innocent". Fortunately, I live in a country which isn't known for that, but its converse, and, consequently, IS known for the "expense" of letting bad guys off the hook for the benefit of less innocents convicted. Whether LL takes that same tact or not won't change the fact that they will be known for both the positives AND the negatives of their choice. Personally, I prefer a world where I can dance naked with my (and others') offspring in an innocent way, despite someone being "evil" and seeking a negative experience in that environment. If LL decides that I can't, I can always take my money and creations elsewhere, at whatever the cost is to the society.



I have no clue what you have "found" that you consider "pedophilia", but if it is anything remotely related to the real or vernacular uses of the term, I find your statement highly suspect. If it indeed was as rampant as you appear to claim, a majority of people should have run into it at one time or another. Since that clearly isn't the case, I find the assessment grossly overstated.



I have been to several. I was at the last one. Showed up for the previous one, too, but couldn't get into the sim. I'm aware that things are changing all the time, but so far, it seems to be in FAVOR of the naturists. Time will tell, but I wouldn't hold my breath on them doing anything about it to your liking.

Let 'em squeak. Not all squeaky wheels get greased, nor even the loudest, ESPECIALLY where LL is concerned. If LL chooses to do something about it, that's their right; it's their service. It most certainly won't stop anyone from living out their fantasies, in reality or in virtual reality. Personally, I think that IF it would sate them to the point where they would NOT seek it out in RL, I would prefer that "disturbed" people live out their "sick" fantasies in SL or similar consensual adult virtual realities where no one can get hurt.



You are one person, and all for whom you can speak without explicit waiver from others. That you BELIEVE you speak for "many" others is irrelevant to me. I am most certainly NOT one of them.



I'm sure they will get plenty. Nude. Of all ages. Dancing. Together. In the meantime, we'll continue to make SL one of our homes.

It wasn't a question.



The reason is because of people like you, who vilify regardless of actual guilt or innocence. It's a sad and sick attitude people have, and applies to many kinds of accusations. It doesn't matter if someone actually did anything wrong; it's all about the accusation.

How would you fare in an obscenity case defending yourself over the virtual depictions inherent in something like dolcette? I am sure that would do wonders for both your reputation as well as LL's.



I would have no intention or need to do any such thing. I would be defending myself from baseless charges against >ME<. LL can deal with their own legal issues.



I have NO worries on that front, and will be glad to keep my stuff and my "land", but thanks for the "concern".

You previously referred to the legality of the situation, not inappropriate and misapplied public opinion from accusations over it. Legality is not determined by uninformed, uninvolved public opinion.

The two issues have nothing to do with one another.

Ok, calm down. Don't get exited. Your a dragon.
nominally.
That DA you spoke of earlier would not agree with you. If you sit in front of a computer and use bandwidth to view it - its the internet. What are you going to tell the Judge? "SL is a alternate Universe? It may help with your insanity plea.
Shirley your not serious.
If you cannot control yourself then uninstall and clean registry. Once the proper TOS rules are in place and the temptation is removed we will send you a e-mail so you can come back. Just post your e-mail address here.
You can google 'pedophilia in SL' and see what others have found. Don't go by what I say. also look at ASCIIrider's earlier posts to see where he explans why two groups were disbanded because of LLs investigation into pedophilia within their groups.
Tell that to the kids abused by the Catholic Church for 30 years. Who knew.
Well I was at the last one when he decided to add sex beds to his adult list. Things change that fast - once bought to their attention. And this 30 page thread has been bought to their attention.
Its a old saying - no one's ever challenged it. I think it still stands.
Funny dragon.

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Well the owner of that beach actual does have his and many adult avatars interacting nude with nude child avatars. JojoGirl was just trying to accuse me of something so vile that I would forget about the nude child avatars.

We do not eat people. We eat OFF people.
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Defined:
Nyotaimori: 女体盛り, ("female body presentation", often referred to as "body sushi," is the practice of eating sashimi or sushi from the body of a woman.

Nantaimori : 男体盛 refers to the same practice using a male model. This traditional and widespread Japanese custom is a subdivision of food play. As a result of being served on a human body, the temperature of the sushi or sashimi comes closer to body temperature.
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And we manage to do so without any child avatars around at all - and definitely none nude. We can roleplay without pretending to have nude children around us.
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It's like a dictionary threw up on the page.

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I'm perfectly calm, and, yes, in SL, I am a Dragon.

You sure do catch on quick, though!



Yep, nominally, and that's all that matters on that topic in a legal context.



Are you speaking as or for a DA?

Legal context makes the distinction important. SL would legally be considered a "gated community", and its context is a legitimate subset of the "internet" as a whole.

As such, any DA worth his salt would have already established the proper legal context involved. If not, well, that just makes it that much easier to have the case thrown out.

As for insanity pleas, I think you'll need one after this.



As serious as you can muster, to be sure.



I'm not the one who needs "control". Also not the one espousing it. "Control" (as in freak) would be impinging on your territory.

As for those "ToS rules", I'll be waiting for your comments once they utterly fail to materialize.



Just for you, I did. The vast majority of the hits (with hits from Sri Lanka removed and from a statistically significant random sample of the remaining ones) are reports/blogs/discussions surrounding TWO instances: 1) Wonderland, and 2) the German police investigation. I have yet to see any statistics in any links from the search, but I have not the time to search all 12,000 or so. Since you seem to have the "skinny" on "pedophilia in SL", why don't you kindly provide some links with some statistics?



I read them, and they don't say anything about LL disbanding any groups, nor LL citing any specific violations, contrary to your hype.



Apparently, lots of people, since it's been going on a LOT longer than "30 years" and the victims don't tend to forget the experience.



So? Blondin has said a lot of things, many of which have not shown up in actual, written policy (see KB6010, past and present, for a prime example). Personally, I take whatever "Blondin says" with a pillar of salt at this point, especially since he won't be on the G-Team (mis-)interpreting and (mis-)applying whatever the final policy will be.



It's an idiom, not a truism. As I said, especially with LL, it hardly applies. The "Adult Content" debacle proves that, and is only the latest example.



Some days, but not today.

It doesn't matter what you actually do or want to call it; the charge is obscenity with dolcette cited in the case. Remember, it's all about the accusation, not the reality. Proceed.



Great! I am sure that red herring will have the appropriate distraction to the ACCUSATION that you act out eating people. Even better, that people in your group do so. Maybe some of them turn out to be "virtual pedophiles", too! Won't that help your case nicely?