Broadly offending content ~ what is it for *you*?

I much prefer it to a sick cow repeatedly defecating on the page.

Well, ok.
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SL is not gated. Its open enrollment and its free.
The classic response to "Surely, you aren't serious" is
"Of course I am serious. And don't call me Shirley".
We weren't looking for stats. We were looking at how many SL pictures were used to talk about pedopilia in SL. And there were no repercussions on anyone for publishing them.
Post 350. I have his IM conversatio where he tells me more details about what happened to then but that cannot be discussed.

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The fact that you have to enroll at all makes it "gated". In addition, there are stated restrictions as to who can participate (age-related). As such, it would be considered a separate context than the internet as a whole.



Only when you're not serious, Shirley.



The last time I checked, "how many" is considered a statistic.



OK, let's look:



I see YOU making assumptions, but he says nothing about LL disbanding groups or investigating anything, at least in that post.

FAIL.

Care to try again?



Well, not only that, but you specified looking at "ASCIIrider's earlier posts". His IM conversations with you (and, indeed, anyone else) are not included in that body of evidence. As such, no need to restate the obvious.

Never

There's nothing vile about nude children. Not even child avatars, but actual nude children. Your repeated accusations that nude children are somehow comparable to sex with children is in NO BLOODY WAY less offensive than the accusation that eating off people is comparable to Dolcett.

Even if the guys on the beach you're talking about are part of a child slavery ring, that wouldn't change the fact that you took a perfectly harmless and innocent activity that many people routinely engage in, in RL, with the full force and protection of law and social convention, in most of the world INCLUDING THE USA, and dragged it through the mud. When people tried to defend nudism, you expressed outrage and tried to link the practitioners to pedophilia. And now you're getting on your high horse because your own harmless kink... one that's even less mainstream than nudism... is being tarnished EVEN RHETORICALLY with he same brush.

And you're still completely unable to see the inconsistency.

I think it's all about the dancing. If the lukewarm sashimi kink involved dancing, that would be over the line, too.

What, Lias club is the only one in Second Life that doesn't have a danceball?

I'd advise you to go to aanr.com then and look at the family values page where there's pictures of *GASP* nude adults and children together!!!!

As was posted there's a HUGE difference between pornography and nudity. You and others with the narrow mindset of this is porn and pedophelia. You need to realize nudists don't even find that to be erotic. It doesn't turn us on... make us think "I wanna have sex" anything.. The fact that you and others seem to find eroticism in this is what's disturbing...

Now US law IS very clear on distinctions between nudity and pornography. It's known as Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003 (AKA PROTECT Act) found at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s108-151&tab=summary

It's an Act to prevent child abduction and the sexual exploitation of children, and for other purposes.

Title V Section 502 states



Now this is US law here. passed by congress. and deals with "sexualy explicit conduct"
which is defined here, in US Code Title 18 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html as



Now to further clarify (iii) above.. lascivious is defined as..



Now if you consider it sexually arousing to see adults and children dancing together, with no way in sight to have sex then ummmm errr.... that's a big flashing red warning light.

Nudism does not equal sex, just as sex does not equal being nude. Nudism isn't pedophelia, matter of fact most pedophiles have such low self esteeem that they'd never even think of being nude in public. That's why they're drawn to children, because they feel it's safer to associate with them.

All this is a moot point anyhow as we're talking ageplay, not pedophelia. And let's use LL's own policy on what is sexual ageplay. It's defimned as...


And here's the definition of lwed: inclined to, characterized by, or inciting to lust or lechery; lascivious

No HOW in any way shape or form are nudists...dancing.. regardless of the age of participants in violation of this?

Lias you also stated these are "Orphan children, there without the supervision o their parents" Umm number 1: There aren't real kids, but adults potraying kids. If I pretended to be 5 years old IRL would my mommy have to make sure I didn't cross the street alone?

Number 2: IRL a parent (well a good one anyhow) wouldn't let their child even go to the mall or park unsupervised. And on a side note with that..bet
there's more pedos at your local park or mall than there ever were on my beach.

Plain and simple, this offends your own personal morals and sensibilities. No one here not even me is defending pedophelia, matter of fact we ALL agree it's wrong. That's not the issue here at all.

The issue is your ranting about it and beating the dead horse over and over and over. No one else other than you and your Crusader Groups (whom you claim to not know but they seem to have your email addy...) going on a witch hunt. The rest.. who don't condone the type of place I run. .their solution "well you won't see me there".. End of story.

That really does take the biscuit. A picture of naked people is pornography if one of them is a child. That's one incredibly idiotic mind you have there, Lias.

In what jurisdiction is a fifty year old considered a minor?

If a prosecutor brought such a case, they would be disbarred.

Some passages from the "Upcoming changes" threads. (=_=)

I'm half-ready to give up on this thread so I'll attempt to offer some closure on my part. (T_T)

Nudity + No-sex + Nice people = a VERY difficult thing to find in SL. Any combination of the two is very easy to find. But, to get all three comes up as practically a miracle. From what I see, the beach in question delivers all three. Strict rules are maintained to keep sex out. The crowd is charming. The DJs are fun. And, even wearing so much as a thong can get you reminded of the rules. (^_^)

It is a place people are not required to visit in SL. It is not a community gateway portal. It is (Mature) land. Everything is in a nudist/naturist's context. And, if you don't like what you see going on there, personally... There are THOUSANDS of other sims at the click of a teleport button. (>_<

I like the place and I would hate to lose it because someone decided to take their flavour of The Moral Higher Ground©®™ and force it down the throats of others over a place they never intended to visit to begin with. (T_T)

Well thanks for all the clarification about what is pedophilia Lias.

Apparently I am one as well. Lucky for me, only according to the twisted mind of Lias though How serious can I take a person thinking a picture with a nude child accompanied by a nude adult is pornography? Child pornography even? Even Don Quichotte knew how a windmill looked like before he started his crusade

At weekends where the weather is good, I spend my time at a nudist campsite. Where, god forbid, children are nude. And, heaven forbids, I am a man. Last weekend, I even had a conversation with a nude 8 year old girl in the swimming pool. My girlfriend was with me, so probably she is a pedophile now as well. Poor girl.

Luckily most people do not have the twisted mind Lias has. But to me it IS disturbing that we live in times where nudity became offensive. Picturing a nude child is more offensive as picturing a dismembered war victim. Movies in which people are butchered in the worst ways (think of SAW) are better accepted then movies with a nude person. Seriously... how twisted can society get?

Question:
How long will it take before Lias has one more banner under her postings? One about nude beaches? Just under the one about the bear hub?

I would make a bet about that, but betting is against the TOS isn't it. Since ageplay equals pedophilia because it is forbidden by LL, betting equals pedophilia as well. According to LL (Lias Law, do not mistake this for Linden Labs please).

I'll go out of my way to visit there and get righteously offended on others behalf.

Lias you make me giggle....i havent responded at every one of your statements because i have a real life and i have been out living it...LOL

i do find it interesting that you have chosen to ignore just about every one of my posts that include factual information. seems to me that speaks for itself...cant counter facts with wild speculation now can you.

i also laughed out loud at the statement you made in response to my dolcett info. the point is you take something like avatar nudity and morph that into something vile....the same can be said for your activities at your sim if someone with a wild imagination were bold enough to make the connection between your activities and dolcett.

i am very very familiar with child molestation in the real world, have worked with pedophiles in the real world and on and on. however i have yet to hear your qualifications to support that you are an expert in this area as you seem to be.

for you to accuse me of being a pedophile is laughable...its the accusing that is the problem lias...not the topic. you mention that it is against TOS and offensive to name and shame here in the forums but that is exactly what you have done repeatedly without any personal experience of anything you are talking about. whether you think you are quoting someone from in world IMs or not, to share their statements is in fact objectionable and to then encourage people to post crap on blogs etc is really wayyy out of line. the rest of us are here having a healthy debate which i think is a good thing.

i do understand that you feel like you are fighting this morality crusade, but instead you are only highlighting to most people here how you are willing to offensive things in order to make your point...very sad actually.

Jojo "Crusade" is the perfect word....

Since the Middle Ages the meaning of the word crusade has been extended to include all wars undertaken in pursuance of a vow, and directed against infidels, i.e. against Mohammedans, pagans, heretics, or those under the ban of excommunication.

This isn't much different.. it's someone trying to stamp out something that's against their beliefs.

In the middle ages it was directed against the Mohammadans/Muslims. Just because their view of God was different from Christian views, which they thought (and some still do) that their view is the ONLY right one.

One thing I REALLY find amusing is the leaders of the moral police groups are usually the ones who get caught in scandals. The moral majority" seems to think their rules should apply to everyone...but themselves.

It's also the same types of people in history who have commited acts such as the burning of the library in Alexandria. The creation of Nazi Germany and Russian/Asian communism.

There's a term used for this lately.. called "New World Order" and written about in books such as "1984" where Big Brother is watching.

Certain, mainly third world, countries practise these things.. .and they're called dictatorships.

You can't. The entire region is blocked from public access.

Bit of trivia...

Here in England, it is not against the law for anyone to walk around naked in public - anywhere. Not long ago, there was a man who walked from Landsend to John O' Groats naked. He kept getting arrested but it wasn't against the law and he just carried on.

In New York, it is perfectly legal for women to walk around topless anywhere. Apparently it used to be against the law for anyone to do that, but they changed the law so that men could do it. Women objected that the law was sexist and so they changed it again to allow anyone to do it.

Dolcett and Vore etc is horrific and the people engaged in it, especially hosting it, need to be monitored by the FBI and their backgrounds checked thoroughly. If they are on probation they need to be ordered out of SL or returned to custody.

How is that for tolerance.

How about locking up that crazy Giger guy, too. Have you looked at his artwork? I mean really looked at it?

Well, there go my plans for the open air production of "Dolcett: The Musical" for SL6B.

*wonders if she should offer up Mapplethorpe as a Giger Counter.

AUGH!

so ... is the difference between Dolcett and Vore the amount of cookery involved?

I think it's more the source of the meat...