So why are kids on Zindra?

Hehe, cool, I spun out there for a sec. The forum gets a bit hairy on these what's fu~king what subjects.

looks for the neko protection agency.

With regards to the status of Zindra atm, I've hung out naked there, with Lindens.

I did finally find those signs today - they're not too obvious, being just wall textures outside of one building. I suspect they're more of a mistake than anything, but we'll see.



In my viewer, along the top bar, in Zindra, it says (Adult).

If you can give me an SLURL to a part of Zindra where it won't say that, those saying it is not adult will have a point. No idea how that will shape up once there is Resident property there...

Do note - if you're using the land swap to get your non-adult store into Zindra, you might be cheating the system. The land swap is only being given (far as I know) to people with adult content, so that they can move their legitimate adult content over.

- If you temp put in adult, and then remove it as soon as you get there, you're gaming the system. I don't know if that rises to the level of abuse or a violation, but an AR of people who do that will let us know.

-AFTER- buying land in Zindra opens, it might be different. But under the swap, I believe you've got to be an adult location to get it. And being adult just to get the swap is really going against the intentions of the whole thing.

A store has to sell adult content to qualify for the land swap, but this does not mean 100% of their inventory has to be adult content. They can sell a mix of content and have to move because of advertising restrictions on part of their content.

Is it reasonable to ban legitimate customers from such shops simply because of the rating of the region they are REQUIRED to do business in?

thats nothing..there was a penis there the other night doing stand up lol


i'm sure those textures are more for after the continent opens as well as that adult sign..
this is just a time period where people get a glance at Zindra so they can look around and pick the lots they want to swap for ..that and others come over to have a look too..
kinda like beta zindra hehehehe


nobody can give you any adult slurls since there is no adult regions yet ..only mature and PG at the moment..
the changes have not been made to the tos and community standards so if anything it is mature at the moment ..when they make the changes mature will be changed to the name adult which will have the same things we have now..then mature will be softened up to like a light version and then pg..
all those info hubs will be pg when Zindra opens though..



actually they don't have to be fully adult content only partially..
then the auction opens up for anyone wanting to buy land there if they did not have adult content for the swap..but they can remove adult content after the swap because they did give up land like the others..i believe they have to be commercially selling adult content or have some sort of business though to qualify to be in the swap..so it's not just drop a bed and swap your land..

I think this is a question of the viewer you are using. If you use 1.22, you will see the rating as mature. If you use 1.23, that has all the needed stuff for the new adult content policy built in, you will see the rating as adult.

And if you use a 3rd party viewer you can get to the adult stuff if you're verified and/or PIOF or PIU and:
a) you've never used a 1.23 level LL viewer or
b) you have and you've selected the show me PG, Mature and Adult options.

Edit: You still see "Adult" rated as "Mature" in my experience but search seems to return both Mature and Adult results as well.

It may be against the intention, but I hardly think anyone doing so can be said to be the ones "cheating."

I freely admit to doing this myself. Kind of.

Here's the thing: I've owned Mature Mainland for over three years. In that time, I've had a gadgets store, a workshop, rental apartments, my own house, a public swimming pool, a sleazy slave brothel, a dance club, a BDSM dungeon, and a garden, all on the same land at different times. That's why I bought Mature land: to be able to change it to *anything* that's permitted anywhere on the Grid, whatever I feel like when I feel like it.

Right now I'm selling a uniquely diabolical, very "adult" article that I scripted. Because I had Mature land, I didn't have to think about where I could sell it.

Now LL changes the rules to make that full range of options available only on Adult land. If they offer a land swap, I assert that my use qualifies just as much as anybody who's land use has been strictly "adult" all along. Months ago now, when this Adult Content crap first came up, I took a portion of my land, deeded it to the smuttiest sounding of the various groups I've formed over the years, and created pr0n emporiums on those parcels, listed everything in Search, and age-restricted the land. (Surprisingly enough, I'm getting sales.)

What I decide to do with the land on Zindra after (if?) I get the swap is really up to me. That's the whole damned point of wanting to own land in the first place. And god knows, I've paid plenty for the privilege.

It really is only the version of the TOS/CS i am using that matters..Because it's the one place that is not viewer handicapped and the one place that matters for the rules..

There are no actual adult Zindra parcels yet because the swap hasn't happened yet ..
Until the TOS and the CS are adjusted adult is still really only mature..According to the CS those adult type things can only happen on private lands

So if we were to change the name of mature to adult in the TOS/CS as it stands right now since all it really is is a name change there still are no adult private lands on Zindra..

Since those activities can really only take place on private lands at the moment Zindra would be considered PG until after the land swap..
Zindra is really not anything right now..It's not even finished being constructed yet..It's more like an open house where you go look at the models and wait for the sale date.

I'm just being technical like everyone else is is all hehehehehe
Mainly because there are some that can't grasp what the current version of adult content is in all of sl at the moment..That sex is mentioned as only two of the many things that make up adult content..It's not the majority..many things are..

People are trying to tell us what adult content is and putting it out there like it is only sex..I'm just saying this is the current written in stone version..

Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.

Global Standards, Local Ratings
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).

1. Who the hell said anything about a "store"?

2. When the system is corrupt, cheating it is honorable.

I spent hundreds of dollars for land that had certain rights attached. To retain those rights Linden Labs wants me to spend hundreds of dollars more to buy land on Zindra. They can go to hell.

And if you don't accept that, you can go to hell too.

I so agree with you, Argent!

We signed into SL a long time ago as adults, we followed the rules and watched as the TOS we signed up and agreed to on that first day has been changed and rewritten to the benefit of Linden Labs. I know, it's your game (Linden Lab), you can re-write the rules.

I built on mature land so that it can have mature content. Now you are further clarifying "Over 18" content with "Adult" content. Last I knew, Second Life, the Adult grid was for anyone "Over 18". All content on that grid then is "Adult" content. What's next, further separation of "Furry Adult" content, "Vampire Adult" content, and so on and so forth? Each one getting their own adult rating and continent?

You have managed to complicate a simple concept. If you are under 18, stay on the teen grid. If you are over 18, congratulations, you are adults behave like one. Linden Lab, you are an adults, please start behaving like adults instead of reactive scared rabbits.

If you manage to merge the two grids, a simple concept to consider. Under 18 can only visit PG sims, period. In fact, you could create a continent for just G-rated sims and under 18 year olds can visit there. No parental guidance necessary at all. The kids log in, are stuck on that continent and the problem solved. Adults wanting to visit G-rated sims must follow the rules.

Leave the rest of the Second Life world alone and as is which means, keeping it simple, stupid. If you are over 18, congratulations, carry on. Under 18, here's where your Second Life begins, in a G-rated sim. Welcome!

That wouldn't even be a major problem, if you could flip a switch and get your parcel listed as Adult.

If *everyone* could get in the land swap just for asking, it would STILL be a slap in the face, but it would be (barely) reasonable, because of the screwed up layout of sims.

But rewarding X-rated stores with free land and forcing the majority of mainland residents to put up hundreds MORE dollars or shut the **** up, that's corrupt, evil, and rude.

The system is broken.

Flip the switch on teen accounts at the LL level. Under 18 they can only access G and PG sims and all other sims and regions aren't shown or accessible. Yes, that means not being able to walk across the gird. Teens especially don't walk, so they have no problem bouncing and teleporting around to gain access to the sims that they can. Once they turn 18, welcome to the adult world.

The parcel switches should be made available to land owners so that they can declare G, PG, Mature land. Fine, Linden Lab, I'll add Adult to the mix as well although it's not necessary.

As for the adult continent....spending more money on a concept that tells me I'm an adult with adult content is ludicrous. I paid money for the land I own in a Mature sim that houses mature content. I've already met the criteria and no, I'm not spending any more money to that end.

Should we really be surprised when accepting a ToS that essentially says "You agree that we can change the rules at any time" that they would go and do just that?

They've done it so many times Jezebella and if you don't accept them then you don't "play" their game. Organized dissent against Linden Lab is difficult at best.

Jezebella....some people get confused and forget that it is a business....and get so immersed that they confuse the TOS (which would be similar to that of a cell phone company), with the consitution/bill of rights or whatever your country observes. It's easy to get immersed that way....and forget.

That's true Mickey. If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone on AOL talk about 'free speech' and their right to it, for being TOSed there, or curbed by a mod - well, I might've been able to buy AOL and it would still be around.

Terms of Service is a private contract; it isn't the U.S. Constitution. It's woeful that anyone confuses the two but many do.

On a side note I was browsing land auctions and I saw an amazing number of big scarlet letter As from the aerial views...Right there on the auction page's map. Interesting.

Oh and I saw my first pointless nudity on Zindra - sort of. Some guy had that 10 foot floppy donger on, and was bouncing around on a pogo stick. Original.

i say things because i keep seeing SL getting chipped away piece by piece..it has nothing to do with the constitution of my country..it has everything to do with preserving freedoms in here..there is no delusion here..
if nobody said anything in defense of things we would be so disney dumb right now that we may aswell merge the grids it would be so clean.

TigroSpottystripes Katsu has this in their sig and it fits perfect on how i look at things..
the best siggy i have seen so far..

First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

We should be surpised that that's legal.

I do not think it is about all that. It maybe folks see children like this:
Children are precious and have to be held above all of this internet fodder. They should not be depicted in certain situations. Ever. Our children are not goreans, furries or nekos. They are our children. And the picture playing in our heads starring them does not include them walking into Zindra being greeted by naked, collared slaves. That is offensive to us. You can say that you are an adult and it is just a child avatar. Logically that computes. But emotionally it is unsettling and offensive.

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I call bullshit on child avatar anything in the new continent. WTF are adults dressed like children doing there at all? I would have child avatars banned from both Adult and Mature and I thought a long while back we could report child AVis in Mature regions.

If SL allows child avatars there, then the idea of "Adult only" is bogus. Not that it isnt already.

A child avatar is G/PG period, anything outside of those boundaries is trouble waiting to happen. SL erroneously equates it to therapy for tough childhoods in RL. The flipside is that adults playing as children in adult areas, even mature areas are looking to be retraumatized and there are plenty of predators to fufill that need in SL. SL enables this. If a person wants to be a child in SL, then be a in areas for children and enjoy. If you want to go to a Mature area, change into a Mature avatar.

This is not a stretch of rights, you don't walk into Disney World dressed like a prostitute and cry that your freedom of expression is being violated when they ask you to leave or change into something more appropriate.

Choosing to dress as a child in public Mature/Adult areas is inappropriate

ok am i the only one who can see a child avatar and NOT get her panties in a bunch?
the land isn't even officially up for sale yet. chill out.


now if you are one of the ones with a LEGITIMATE beef regarding the purpose of Zindra then by all means speak out, but stop hiding behind the "save the children" crap. it's getting old.

If the child avatar is seen in Zindra I will not have any panties on to bunch up.

Hey Mo, the thread asks "Why are there Child Avatars in Zindra".

Why those people purposely went to Zindra and caused this problem is till unclear to me. Its just as easy to change avatars and explore the Adult Continent.

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Since there will still be naked collared slaves on Mature parcels, are you going to keep kid toons in PG territory? THINK about your answer this time, please.

They didn't. The problem (as you just pointed out) is in your head... not in Zindra.

The status of "Adult ONLY" is something that only exists in your head.