So why are kids on Zindra?

you cannot cash out without paypal..you cannot be age verified without information and you can't get on zindra without being age verified

I don't see a way to get a premium membership without supplying payment information.

I had to do that. Twice. And increase my height. My avatar is a "Beatrix Potter" style cartoon vixen. No more chest than a real fox. I got harassed for having a "child avatar" until I made it booby. It still bothers me.

I'm not talking about cashing out, just about selling L$ on the LindeX and after that having USD in your account without needing credit card or paypal info. I think it's an interesting question, hehe.

When did that happen?

if that was a loophole it would have been abused long ago
you have to upgrade before you can use that i believe.

It never happened, ever - but theoretically it COULD, which we're supposed to believe is a good enough reason for keeping child avatars from wandering over vacant sims that don't even have sex clubs on them yet. Because that land MIGHT have sex clubs on it next month sometime.

Any SL account can carry a U.S.$ balance with its account. Weather received by outside payments or inside L$ exchanges. (^_^)

Exchange $72 worth of L$ to U.S.$ in your SL account, don't cash it out, then apply for premium membership. Your U.S.$ balance will be used to pay your premium fee and no payment information had to be used, Paypal or otherwise. (^_^)

A very successful avatar could theoretically purchase and maintain estates and mainland sims based solely on L$ income and exchange. (^_^)

On the other hand... Basic accounts that spend with their credit cards are POIF/PIU without going premium. (^_^)y

So this blonde comes into a sex club and starts griefing everyone and even ARing them to try to make it sound like it is thier fault. We going to make the policy to ban all blondes from Zindra too?

ya but there is still no age verification there..they say your account can be used as verification.but i'm willing to bet that in cases where the account is not age verified it will have to when it goes in..
it's one way because of payment info..
if they don't have payment info they have to use age verify.

I don't understand the connection. Why would a parcel with PG content on Zidra stop you from going to your favorite adult-av only parcels on Zindra?

If you're saying that you want to be able to wander over the entire continent, without worrying about offending people, stop right there. There may be men-only places, women-only places, furry-only places, no-furry places, strict Gor places, etc., etc. The only way you have to not worry about offending anyone is to know about they place you're going. No continent-wide rule can change that - unless you own the entire continent.

Are you sure? I seem to recall trying to do that and having to put my "banker alt" on paypal anyway.

if they could do that their profile would still read NPIOF ..they still haven't given it..

You haven't answered the question. Why would having a continent-wide no-kid-av rule change that result?

Saying that LL will change the way they'll handle the AR, just because of the rule, doesn't compute. The second scenario you present is, if it happens, mishandling by LL. There are no circumstances, no set of rules that make it acceptable for LL to take action against innocent people, who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Their *underage depiction* should not be.. THEY are as welcome as any other adult would be.

Waiving the adult card and pushing all access for their underage depiction brings the brunt of this straight into the sexplayers front yard, yet ANYone who complains is painted as attacking THEM

Is there any wonder why people are threatening false AR's?
Between LL's hard stance on sexual ageplay depictions, and the kiddies who staunchly refuse to wear something other than their immature form while there, they're feeling like the cornered animal. How would the kids feel to be trapped in their PG house because every street in every PG and mature sim was filled with public orgies and rape? A little at risk? a little infringed upon? Somehow I doubt any amount of explaining will get the point across that the kids are the aggressors here. For sexplayers, there's simply nowhere on the mainland left to run to get away from the sexual ageplay risk they bring. I'm seeing now that some SL kids actually enjoy brandishing that RL threat like cryptonite to superman, using it to get their way and toy with people like it was a plastic sword.. not cool.

Just saying, I believe it is possible to go premium as an unverified account. (^_^)y

Yep. Ya ax me it's The League of Decency dragged up as the Brady Bunch.

Zindra is not now nor will it likely ever be "filled with public orgies and rape".

Most of the time, on most parcels that are currently on mature mainland and will be moving to Zindra, there is nothing sexualized visible in any part of that parcel.

see this is what i got when i read the blog regarding Zindra. matter of fact i thought it was true with Mature Land as well. but after reading through this thread(and i freely admit i skipped posts obviously made to incite riots), it seems more about my comfort zone supersedes yours so do it my way or get Ar'd.

am i wrong?

Have you or anyone you know actually tried it? I thought that I had and that it required me to provide payment info.

I sowies i wus caught up in da thing hehehehe

Are you in any way implying that I am one of these? I'm not. For that matter, I've not heard of other kids using their "proximity powers" to deliberately AR adults. All I've heard is the opposite, including one resident on another SL forum (no not across the street: the one down the block) who is openly advocating seeking out child avatars when they are on Zindra, so she can pose nude next to them and AR the kids.

You want kryptonite? Be a kid nowadays. I've never wanted to cancel my account more than in the last three days.

Way to take a hypothetical example of how trapped it feels and twist it.
Honestly Argent, I expected more from you.

Sorry you got caught in their agendas and nasty tactics. Hated to see that happen. (I don't even have a clue what their agendas are....and won't waste time figuring it out).

Their reputation speaks for itself. Your reputation speaks for itself. No comparison.

99% of the 1% of the SL population that is in a forum reading about it can determine that. The 99% that aren't in a forum, are inworld exploring or shopping or lounging by the beach, and couldn't care less....most of those people will just go with the flow and continue on as they always have.....having fun and not troubling themselves with some Yahoo's agenda....regardless of what continent they are on.

Not a bad way to go about it.

There are too many ambiguous pronouns for me to be positive what you're saying, but ...

No one is pushing for all access for child avs. Everyone is fine with the idea that estate owners, parcel owners, even parcel renters have every right to ban child avs from their parcel or estate. No one is arguing that child avs should be allowed into sex clubs.

I view the argument as this: Should/will Zindra be like the typical X rated bookstore or theater, where everything you see is adult-oriented, kids are stopped at the door, and you can buy a naughty maid outfit but can't buy a good shirt or dress.

Or should it/will it be more like a Vegas hotel, with lots of gambling, lots of adult-only entertainment, specific rooms where kids aren't allowed, but where kids are welcome in general and allowed into the shops, restaurants, some shows and attractions, and non-gambling game rooms.