So why are kids on Zindra?
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-18-2009 14:43
From: Jesse Barnett No hairs being split. Your argument is that child avatars can not go to adult land period! The reverse of that argument would be that adult verifieds can not go to PG land because they may spontaneously break out their sex pose balls, strip down and get it on. One argument is as ludicrous as the other. Nonsense! You understand perfectly well that an ageplayer requires certain very specific conditions to function without threat of litigation in SL. I could walk onto a 'PG' sim tomorrow, fully suited and booted, and only a complete eejit would treat me as if I were about to whip out my prim dick.
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Jesse Barnett
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06-18-2009 14:49
From: Ephraim Kappler I could walk onto a 'PG' sim tomorrow, fully suited and booted, and only a complete eejit would treat me as if I were about to whip out my prim dick. Bingo! You win a prize! Now reverse THAT argument and apply it to child Avs. Not every child AV is lurking in the shadows waiting to jump out at you naked so you can be ARed.
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06-18-2009 14:50
From: Ephraim Kappler Oh for f@ck's sake, Argent. You get the picture. I know you do. Quit splitting hairs. I'm not splitting hairs. I'm expressing a principle that I feel strongly about that you don't happen to agree with.
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06-18-2009 14:52
From: Ephraim Kappler You understand perfectly well that an ageplayer requires certain very specific conditions to function without threat of litigation in SL. And the EXACT same rules apply to any user of SL. YOU can not go up to a child AV and proposition it. You can not put on your 2 foot long penis to show the child AV.
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-18-2009 14:54
From: Jesse Barnett And the EXACT same rules apply to any user of SL. YOU can not go up to a child AV and proposition it. You can not put on your 2 foot long penis to show the child AV. And an ageplayer should not be in any proximity to sexual content. You work it out.
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06-18-2009 14:56
From: Ephraim Kappler And an ageplayer should not be in any proximity to sexual content. Which has no more to do with allowing kid toons into Mosh than it does to allowing kid toons into Tigger.
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Jesse Barnett
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06-18-2009 14:58
From: Ephraim Kappler And an ageplayer should not be in any proximity to sexual content.
You work it out. No one has stated otherwise here. Only quibble is that some people's definition of "proximity" is a whole continent. All of these people arguing so vociriferously against fake children and I think it is pretty darn funny that it was me that replied to this post and ARed it. Everyone was too worried about fake children to even notice the real one: /118/c9/326438/1.html
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06-18-2009 15:02
From: Ephraim Kappler Nonsense!
You understand perfectly well that an ageplayer requires certain very specific conditions to function without threat of litigation in SL.
I could walk onto a 'PG' sim tomorrow, fully suited and booted, and only a complete eejit would treat me as if I were about to whip out my prim dick. Only an idiot would assume of of all child avs too. Assume age play or making malicious Ar's is possible from anyone, what ever av they are wearing, what ever rated sim they are in. All one has to do is put on a new shape and skin anywhere at anytime and bammo.
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06-18-2009 15:03
From: Dana Hickman It's not a cop out to remind people that ageplayers ALREADY HAVE their own sex-free area, where they KNOW that sex is banned.. it's called PG land, and theres a TON of it. Child Avatar and PG are not equivalent. There are plenty of non-sexual content/activities which are mature or even adult under the definitions which it is perfectly permissible for child avatars to engage with, and which child avatars can and do engage with, but which is not permissible on PG land. There is nothing illegal or wrong with a child avatar selling graphic horror/violent artwork - however they could not do that on PG land, and may even need to have Adult land in order to sell such artwork. Matthew
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06-18-2009 15:05
From: Jesse Barnett No one has stated otherwise here. Only quibble is that some people's definition of "proximity" is a whole continent. All of these people arguing so vociriferously against fake children and I think it is pretty darn funny that it was me that replied to this post and ARed it. Everyone was too worried about fake children to even notice the real one: /118/c9/326438/1.htmlAnd was that real child on Zindra? How would anybody have known if they were anyway? The whole topic here is why kids are on Zindra. An age-verified child avatar, who has actually verified using their real identity, and truly is over 18, is not a kid. Thus unless you can show us real children sitting at their keyboards roaming Zindra with any avatar, be it a child avatar, an adult avatar, neko, furry, dragon, or even a slug sliding on the ground, then there are no kids on Zindra.
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06-18-2009 15:10
From: RockAndRoll Michigan And was that real child on Zindra? How would anybody have known if they were anyway? The whole topic here is why kids are on Zindra. An age-verified child avatar, who has actually verified using their real identity, and truly is over 18, is not a kid. Thus unless you can show us real children sitting at their keyboards roaming Zindra with any avatar, be it a child avatar, an adult avatar, neko, furry, dragon, or even a slug sliding on the ground, then there are no kids on Zindra. ugh, you might want to actually click on that link? Plus you might try reading my other postings here?
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06-18-2009 15:12
really nothing is changing much but the location and the name..the rating hasn't changed.. this risk that everyone is looking at as new is not new..it hasn't changed it is something regaining attention because of some witch hunters putting assumptions in peoples heads.. people are playing this off as..oh now we are at risk..guess what? it was always there only now the risk is less likely to happen.. people think..oh someone is going to try and sneak up on me to get me in trouble.. how many are going to put their own accounts at risk to do this? everyone there is gonna have pay info..it's not gonna be griefers running around doing hit and runs laughing cause they got away because they had a free account with no payment info.. the numbers of cases are low now..they will be lower there.. i would really like to know what people think the odds would be of getting AR'd for something like this on Zindra? Frequently sometimes? Rarely? never? lets just hear how risky people really think it is gonna be instead of dancing back and forth with worst best case scenarios.. lets jibbly some digits *giggles* 
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06-18-2009 15:12
From: Jesse Barnett ugh, you might want to actually click on that link? I did look at that link. It still has nothing to do with THIS thread. This thread is about children on Zindra. Unless that avatar was seen on Zindra, and known to be a child at the time, then it's absolutely irrelevant. Same as the person who popped up in the comments on the blog berating all of us for being concerned about things in SL when people are being shot and killed in Iran. So what? It's a blog about SL, not about Iran. Of course people are going to be talking about SL issues. Likewise in this thread we're talking about children on Zindra. That other thread is something entirely different.
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06-18-2009 15:22
From: RockAndRoll Michigan I did look at that link. It still has nothing to do with THIS thread. This thread is about children on Zindra. Unless that avatar was seen on Zindra, and known to be a child at the time, then it's absolutely irrelevant.
Same as the person who popped up in the comments on the blog berating all of us for being concerned about things in SL when people are being shot and killed in Iran. So what? It's a blog about SL, not about Iran. Of course people are going to be talking about SL issues.
Likewise in this thread we're talking about children on Zindra. That other thread is something entirely different. Nobody is talking about children in Zindra. That is the point of my post that you did not get. Everyone is worried about AGE VERIFIED FAKE CHILDREN WHO ARE REALLY ADULTS. Some are so worried that they are trying to ban them from the entire continent. Yet none that are so worried about FAKE CHILDREN noticed a real one here in the forum. The person in that link may not even be a REAL CHILD but under the rules, stating that you are underage in your profile, by IM, open chat OR even a forum post then that person is a REAL CHILD until they provide the documentation to prove otherwise.
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06-18-2009 15:24
Not to mention that there will be real children on Zindra too.
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06-18-2009 15:25
From: Ceka Cianci i would really like to know what people think the odds would be of getting AR'd for something like this on Zindra? Frequently sometimes? Rarely? never? lets just hear how risky people really think it is gonna be instead of dancing back and forth with worst best case scenarios.. lets jibbly some digits *giggles*  1/100,000 and that is probably high.
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06-18-2009 15:25
From: Ceka Cianci people are playing this off as..oh now we are at risk..guess what? it was always there only now the risk is less likely to happen.. people think..oh someone is going to try and sneak up on me to get me in trouble..
how many are going to put their own accounts at risk to do this? everyone there is gonna have pay info..it's not gonna be griefers running around doing hit and runs laughing cause they got away because they had a free account with no payment info..
the numbers of cases are low now..they will be lower there..
Yep exactly, I am sure LL don't think they are having to *punish a little child for a mistake* when they deal with a child av trying to age play.
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06-18-2009 15:27
From: Argent Stonecutter Not to mention that there will be real children on Zindra too. LOL, but you forgot to add that they will be the ones that are not in a child AV. I saw a comment from Blue the other day. A man was worried about a child AV, only to find out that his grown up AV girlfriend was really only 16.
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06-18-2009 15:28
From: Jesse Barnett Nobody is talking about children in Zindra. That is the point of my post that you did not get. Everyone is worried about AGE VERIFIED FAKE CHILDREN WHO ARE REALLY ADULTS. Some are so worried that they are trying to ban them from the entire continent. Yet none that are so worried about FAKE CHILDREN noticed a real one here in the forum. The person in that link may not even be a REAL CHILD but under the rules, stating that you are underage in your profile, by IM, open chat OR even a forum post then that person is a REAL CHILD until they provide the documentation to prove otherwise. Gee, thanks, I didn't know I was worried about age-verified adults being on Zindra where they don't belong. I'm glad you explained that to me.
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06-18-2009 15:35
From: RockAndRoll Michigan Gee, thanks, I didn't know I was worried about age-verified adults being on Zindra where they don't belong. I'm glad you explained that to me. RockAndRoll, Really please go back and read my posts. I did not say that you are part of this witch hunt crusade against child AVs. Conversely, you did say that I WAS when anyone actually reading my posts would not come to that conclusion. I have stated from the beginning that this is flat out wrong. Marianne, myself when I wear my child AV or anyone in child AV SHOULD be able to come to the adult continent. The adult continent is going to be more then a continent wide orgy.
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06-18-2009 15:37
Jesse, I guess you and I define "Everybody" differently. I figure everybody means, well, everybody. A group of which I am a part.
Edit: Oops, sorry, not everybody. Everyone.
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06-18-2009 15:59
From: Jesse Barnett LOL, but you forgot to add that they will be the ones that are not in a child AV. I saw a comment from Blue the other day. A man was worried about a child AV, only to find out that his grown up AV girlfriend was really only 16.  Holy Schadenfreudenfarfegvnueven Batman!
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06-18-2009 16:00
From: Jesse Barnett LOL, but you forgot to add that they will be the ones that are not in a child AV. I saw a comment from Blue the other day. A man was worried about a child AV, only to find out that his grown up AV girlfriend was really only 16. *points to her forehead then to yours then to hers again then to yours then nodding*(The universal sign language for being on the same wave length) *giggles* From: Ceka Cianci #227 So many worst case scenario's..So many victims and it's not even started lol Kids could get onto zindra!! Ya most children will make a child avatar to walk around Zindra because a kid just wants to be a kid and not someone else Kids could get on Zindra it's not 100%!! Well nothing is 100% and prevention is only to help..The parents have to at least try with the percent that is left over..If they can't then they need to be held responsible as well as the adult and child taking part if there was a case with an actual pedophile.. No more internets for you!! A pedophile could just as easily be playing with someone in an adult shape..If they think there is a chance they are gonna get caught would they risk it with a child avatar upping their odds?? a stupid one maybe.. i can't wait to get back to work .the forum is eating my brains like a zombie on crack lol
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06-18-2009 16:10
From: Imnotgoing Sideways I been following Yubisaki Milk Tea a lot lately. (^_^)y /me wikipedia's it... Looks interesting, I'll have to check out the first volume next time I hit the book store, thanks!
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06-18-2009 16:44
From: Ceka Cianci *points to her forehead then to yours then to hers again then to yours then nodding*(The universal sign language for being on the same wave length) *giggles*
i can't wait to get back to work .the forum is eating my brains like a zombie on crack lol Take a break and luxuriate in some cuddle time with that there kittie of yours. That will put all things in perspective again! That is what I just did with my pup Canela and suddenly I can hear the birds singing again outside 
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