So why are kids on Zindra?

Agreed, it's always been like this, paranoid social swings come and go. Approx 20 years ago a mate of mine was fired from his child minding job for being gay, it was around a time and area of a serial child killer called Mr Bubbles. His firing was based on ignorance and fear of gayness.

I have no problem, nor do many people with hating the Mr Bubbles of this world, it's when assumptions that gay equals sex criminal or pervert lead to damaging someones life I have a problem.

This is what I see here, a very shallow grasp of what a child av might be about and a massive jump to a cheap cliche assumption.

It was the same in the violence threads attack on bdsm.

We all know NOW my friends gayness was no risk to anyone in itself.

So yeh, burn all those child pedo avs, then go after the bdsm wife bashers, the furry animal fuckers and don't forget those pooftas, you will have achieve nothing but a lot of damage to many innocent people and their accounts and SL and cost a heap of resources that could have been better spent on either SL improvements or genuine help for people hurt in sex crimes.

I am sure this Prok fool can and will go a lot lower.

This "scandal" was caused by people with a vendetta against child avatars.

I'm kinda flying WAY under Prok's radar. To him, I'm not much more than a Woodbury goon on his parcel banlist. (^_^)yIt is. It's partially why I removed all numeric age references from my profile... RP or not. (T_T)

Well...I dunno. You'll never catch me on Zindra. Not in my normal av, anyway. If I ever find occasion to visit, I'll be wearing a disguise, like my floating cubes or something.



I appreciate all you guys "sticking up for" kid avs that, for the purposes of this discussion, are innocent. And I appreciate you all going to such great lengths to emphasize that the new continent is NOT "adults ONLY", but merely that some parcels -can be- designated as adult there. But it seems to me that there's enough people who ARE under the impression that Zindra is meant to be the Sex Island, that it may as well be - remember, these are the people who will be buying land there, after all.



As soon as building starts, I'm fairly confident Zindra will quickly become Pornsburgh. If you are buying land on Zindra with the intention of opening a PG place where you expect child avatars to visit, I would urge you to buy land elsewhere. I'm not particularly willing to walk through a gauntlet of prim genital vendors just to see a really neat build. And simply teleporting there isn't good enough either, if there will be porn billboards on every side once the place starts rezzing. No matter how you cut it, the risk is way too great - not only for myself as a child av, but for any equally-innocent adults who happen to be caught in the shot if some particularly meddlesome troll finds a way to set me up. If it's true that people on the SLX message boards are encouraging each other to actively fake ARs on child avs they see wandering Zindra, what reason on earth is there for me to go? It's not like Nautilus, where there'll be cool things for residents to hunt for or more clues pointing to Magellan Linden. At least, I hope not. And if such things are to be found there - well, I'll just have to miss them. It's not worth it.



Really, it's not.


That's likely why I'm not on anybody's "radar", either. Because I know when to say "it's not worth it".

That's an official LL board, right? I wonder if LL will do something about people advocating filing false AR's publicly on their board.

One more reason I'm glad I don't use SLX.

There is/was an abduction case (although I believe there is also a lot of speculation that the parents may have been somewhat culpable) in europe of a child named Madeline McCann. According to Wikipedia, she was abducted May 3, 2007. I started SL in February of 2006 and began to use a child avatar as my regular avvie in March of that same year. No connection except in the mind of those who want to form connection.



I want to point out the "they" in here, which should show how weird this is. There is no "ageplay lobby" as was suggested. Then again there is a long supposition of shadowy cabals that do not exist, isn't there?

Oh, here's some clearly sexualized content" on Zindra I and others might *currently* be exposed to:







Indeed, said person has noted her crusade in her SL profile, that she is wandering the Zindra continent in the nuts, hoping to find child avatars to stand near and AR. *There's* the problem, IMO.



This. Well, it's a bit deeper, as many are also using it as a way to lash out at the Zindra Continent/LL adult content policy stuff. Still, the people at the heart of this are *assuming* that all child avatars (and/or this one in particular) are out there for sexual ageplay. If anything, I've three years now of visibility as a child avatar where one can indeed judge my actions in this world, and there are plenty of other kid avvies one can look at in the same light.

Perhaps some do equip their avatar for sexual purposes, either to sell virtual sex or because that appearance is what excites them. I'm sure a whole number of cross-gender avvies fits in the latter category, as well as numerous others.

Yet there are also many others who form their avatars for very different reasons. To assume that I am who I am for sexual use is to assume that every other avatar type in this world is worn for its sexual uses.

You're right about that, it's what I've been saying on those SLX threads. There are some neurotic types that would gladly form a lynch mob.
I think after the 29th June, I wouldn't advise any SL kid to visit Zindra....and not in kids form.




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*increases breast size on short avatar*

i hope they have removed the post at the very least from over there..

i would think inspiring hateful witch hunts would fall to one of these two guidelines but who knows now days??


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What is the real objective of barring child avatars from Zindra?

The only means of enforcing such a restriction is by AR. So suppose a child avatar shows up in Zindra and gets AR'd. Do we suppose that any adult avatars in the vicinity are exempt from an AR just because they're on Zindra? One should hope to hell *not*, or it would make Zindra a unique haven for sexual ageplayers: everywhere else, adult avatars engaging in sexual ageplay with a child avatar are susceptible to AR, but on Zindra they should be exempt?

Those trying to ban child avatars from Zindra are pedophiles trying to set up the continent for just this kind of sexual ageplay.

Skeptical? I dunno... it makes as much sense to me as the arguments I hear from them.

Does that include the public areas with the no nudity signs - that's AR-able too!

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In a very limited way, I agree. The time to see Zindra as a child AV is now, before Adult Content moves in. And then not for a while.

But I am quite sure that it won't stay Pornsburgh for long, and that large parts of Zindra--indeed, most of the continent--will be indistinguishable from Mature Mainland now.

So then it becomes a question of how much territory do kid avatars really want to cede. I think it's way premature to decide that Zindra will be a place for kid avatars to avoid, and in the long run I think all the fuss anticipating a whole continent of smut will look quite foolish.

The photo in said person's profile is taken in Mosh, outside the Port. I do not know (and trust me, I've not exactly peeked my head into the port lately to check) if that particular public area has a no nudity sign like the hubs there do.

i would say child avatars wear a shield for the first few months till the witch hunters get bored of hunting..

OMG why can i not get close enough to this child to get my entrapment picture?this is not fair!!!!!
hehehehehe

Then the best time to revisit Zindra as a place kid avs should consider exploring is in the future when the "smut" dies down. Technically, the "time to see Zindra" is now, since there's no adult content there yet. Thing is, there's no ANYTHING there yet, adult or otherwise. Except screaming vigilantes.

For now, there just doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to visit the place - whether there's adult content currently rezzed there or not. There's nothing there. Except a few roads. Certainly nothing that justifies exposing oneself to the risk of some "adult community advocate" chasing me down, suddenly changing into nothing but a strap-on, and ARing me. Right this minute, I feel compelled to recommend that child avatars simply do not visit, at all. If for some reason one insists upon visiting, please don't use a child avatar.

In a few months maybe we'll see what's become of Zindra and reconsider then.

FWIW, last night while taking some photos on the continent, I word a black, shiny box over myself. The "front" of it was an FIC banner. I also kept my radar on and watched the mini map in order to avoid any contact with other people.

It did lead me to wonder, though. If I show up on Zindra in *any* avatar, just because my name is so well known in conjunction with bein' a kid in SL, would I be viewed as suspect? I suspect yes. :-/

About What?????

Many people think that it is poor judgment to allow child avs into an adult region, that was specifically designated as adult. Very simple. It's not complicated.

There is no agenda. It's just a matter of using common sense and good judgment to us. We don't need to use nasty tactics to make that point.

I'm sorry you can't hear that message.

i guess we'll see just how much of that island they actually take up..for all they know they may not even fill half the thing lol

The problem is what -you- aren't hearing: namely that Zindra is NOT "designated adult". It is a continent where landowners have the option of designating their individual parcels as "adult" - OR NOT, if they so choose.

The difficulty in this is that there *are* some with agendas involved. I agree with your statement, but many have also used the issue for their own ends. That is muddying the waters.

I've been running naked all over Zindra, and everywhere I go, it says adult.

But I guess we'll find out in the battle of the ARs later on. I'm considering ARing any parcel in Zindra that flags other than adult until they tell me to stop.
- Which I presume they will. But the point stands.

Just checked and didn't see any in the Port area. Yes, as with the Arapaima infohub, the one in Ortiz does have the sign:

well i just want you to know that i think it is just terrible the way people are treating you and using you in this whole thing.. you are one of the sweetest people in sl..it just flows off you..
we don't talk but in the group channel here and there but it doesn't take a rocket scientists to tell sweet and good people from the bad..

i do know that the truth will come out in the end and the people that do this kind of damage play will get noticed for who they really are in the end..

i never heard of this person doing these things before this thread but have delt with those types before..
they self destruct in time on their own.

you just keep being you and you will never lose to lies