So why are kids on Zindra?
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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06-19-2009 13:26
From: Marianne McCann Are you in any way implying that I am one of these? I'm not. For that matter, I've not heard of other kids using their "proximity powers" to deliberately AR adults. All I've heard is the opposite, including one resident on another SL forum (no not across the street: the one down the block) who is openly advocating seeking out child avatars when they are on Zindra, so she can pose nude next to them and AR the kids.
You want kryptonite? Be a kid nowadays. I've never wanted to cancel my account more than in the last three days. I am so sorry Marianne. I respect you so much. Your example is one of the reasons I still visit my child avatar despite the discouragement. I am now stepping out of this dreadful thread and hope it quickly dies out. *zips mouth and heads out*
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Abigail Merlin
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06-19-2009 13:26
From: Dana Hickman Their *underage depiction* should not be.. THEY are as welcome as any other adult would be. Waiving the adult card and pushing all access for their underage depiction brings the brunt of this straight into the sexplayers front yard, yet ANYone who complains is painted as attacking THEM Is there any wonder why people are threatening false AR's? Between LL's hard stance on sexual ageplay depictions, and the kiddies who staunchly refuse to wear something other than their immature form while there, they're feeling like the cornered animal. How would the kids feel to be trapped in their PG house because every street in every PG and mature sim was filled with public orgies and rape? A little at risk? a little infringed upon? Somehow I doubt any amount of explaining will get the point across that the kids are the aggressors here. For sexplayers, there's simply nowhere on the mainland left to run to get away from the sexual ageplay risk they bring. I'm seeing now that some SL kids actually enjoy brandishing that RL threat like cryptonite to superman, using it to get their way and toy with people like it was a plastic sword.. not cool. you keep bringing forth this paranoid idea that SL is flooded with kid avs and a lot are out to get sex players in trouble while it has been pointed out time and time again that the few that do it are not ageplayer as in the RL meaning of the word but rather griefers, a continent wide ban does not change that risk one bit, griefers already break the rules by being near a sex bed in use one more rule does not change that. it has been pointed out plenty of time you can already ban child avs on a parcel bases, if a child av is outside the parcel the proximety rule does not aply.
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-19-2009 13:29
From: Dana Hickman Way to take a hypothetical example of how trapped it feels and twist it. Honestly Argent, I expected more from you. I don't think I'm twisting anything. There seems to be this perception that Zindra should be off limit for kids because there will be no place in Zindra that is appropriate for kids. I don't see that happening at all, but people keep bringing that meme back as if it's unchallengeable.
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Qie Niangao
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06-19-2009 13:30
From: Pussycat Catnap Ok...
So a pack of adults are in a sex club going at it, and a child AV pops in and starts griefing and the adults 'asked for it' ?
I don't think so. And that's why those child AVs need to be banned from Zindra. You're very unlikely to own the whole continent, so you don't get to have your way everywhere on all of Adult Mainland. You can have an island that's all-smut-all-the-time. LL will be more than happy to sell you one of those. You can set up a sex club there, arrange for adults to be going at it 24/7, and ban any child AVs who wander by. But on my part of Zindra, your rules won't apply. Get your own damned continent. It just boggles the mind that Residents are pleading with LL to restrict their options to define their land to be whatever is allowed anywhere on the Grid, on the one continent where that will remain true.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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06-19-2009 13:30
From: Dana Hickman Is there any wonder why people are threatening false AR's?
Any WONDER - no. I suppose I should expect something like that. From: Dana Hickman Between LL's hard stance on sexual ageplay depictions, and the kiddies who staunchly refuse to wear something other than their immature form while there, they're feeling like the cornered animal. How would the kids feel to be trapped in their PG house because every street in every PG and mature sim was filled with public orgies and rape? A little at risk? a little infringed upon? Somehow I doubt any amount of explaining will get the point across that the kids are the aggressors here. For sexplayers, there's simply nowhere on the mainland left to run to get away from the sexual ageplay risk they bring. I'm seeing now that some SL kids actually enjoy brandishing that RL threat like cryptonite to superman, using it to get their way and toy with people like it was a plastic sword.. not cool. You're making stuff up, now. I see some people threatening to AR kid avs but I haven't seen a single instance of a child avatar-player threatening to AR an adult - in this thread, or any other thread about Zindra. Should we be expecting more from -you- than pure invention?
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Pussycat Catnap
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06-19-2009 13:34
From: Argent Stonecutter When did that happen? The person I replied to stated flat out that in such a case, the adults were asking for it: From: Qie Niangao From: Pussycat Catnap When an adult AV griefs like that, the adult AV gets in trouble.
When a child AV griefs like that, it gets in trouble, but so will the people in the sex bed... they'll get a false slander of being pedos, even if they were in a place where the child AV had no place being. But remember that the *reason* the adult AV may get swept up is because the adult AV in fact *may* have been responsible for the whole thing. Say a notorious pedophile, Nokofy Preva, likes to abuse child AVs, buys land in Zindra, and lures them there with promises of virtual candy. If child AVs are banned in Zindra, Nokofy's life is much easier--he's immune from ARs there. Probably he gets an extra perverted kick out of abusing the helpless child AV, knowing that G-Team will automatically assume the kid is at fault--"asking for it" as it were--just by being on Adult land. He's making the assumption that when that child AV comes in there to grief, the adults there were pedos anyway... That's the very fear I was voicing: That a couple of adults in the adult continent minding their own business in a bit of cybering, have some kid pop in, and suddenly people are assuming the adults were pedos anyway...
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Pussycat Catnap
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06-19-2009 13:35
From: Qie Niangao You can have an island that's all-smut-all-the-time. LL will be more than happy to sell you one of those.. Yep, its called Zindra. They just did that.
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-19-2009 13:35
From: Dakota Tebaldi I see some people threatening to AR kid avs but I haven't seen a single instance of a child avatar-player threatening to AR an adult - in this thread, or any other thread about Zindra. Should we be expecting more from -you- than pure invention? You see a few cooks on completely different forum kicking up a stink. Can we keep that bullsh!t out of this thread? No one here has suggested any such nonsense and up until a few pages back we had a reasonable exchange of views going on the matter.
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Dana Hickman
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06-19-2009 13:37
From: Marianne McCann For that matter, I've not heard of other kids using their "proximity powers" to deliberately AR adults. That would be the 2 in Mosh yesterday.. one running up to anyone naked or scantilly dressed and yelling "take it! take the pic!" to the other. Using for personal gains the *threat* of banning and/or RL litigation and scaring individuals who by all rights were not in the wrong in that place. They weren't making AR's.. they were F**king with people!
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Qie Niangao
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06-19-2009 13:38
From: Pussycat Catnap He's making the assumption that when that child AV comes in there to grief, the adults there were pedos anyway...
That's the very fear I was voicing:
That a couple of adults in the adult continent minding their own business in a bit of cybering, have some kid pop in, and suddenly people are assuming the adults were pedos anyway... But they *may* be. I emphasized "*may*" in the post. And THEY MAY BE. Even on Zindra. And if child AVs are banned on Zindra, it becomes *especially* likely there. By banning child AVs, the continent would become an adult AV pedophile haven. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-19-2009 13:38
From: Pussycat Catnap Yep, its called Zindra. They just did that. Zindra Is Not All Smut All The Time
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Qie Niangao
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06-19-2009 13:38
From: Pussycat Catnap Yep, its called Zindra. They just did that. No.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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06-19-2009 13:38
From: Marianne McCann Are you in any way implying that I am one of these? I'm not. For that matter, I've not heard of other kids using their "proximity powers" to deliberately AR adults. All I've heard is the opposite, including one resident on another SL forum (no not across the street: the one down the block) who is openly advocating seeking out child avatars when they are on Zindra, so she can pose nude next to them and AR the kids.
You want kryptonite? Be a kid nowadays. I've never wanted to cancel my account more than in the last three days. I had added to my post above, not to lose any sleep over it. Erased it, thinking that you knew better than to waste a minute of time over it.... Don't you dare. 
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-19-2009 13:41
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Marianne McCann
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06-19-2009 13:42
From: Pussycat Catnap Yep, its called Zindra. They just did that. Seen the no nudity, no sexual activity, no adult sounds, no weapons, etc. signs at the infohubs there?
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Marianne McCann
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06-19-2009 13:44
From: Dana Hickman That would be the 2 in Mosh yesterday.. one running up to anyone naked or scantilly dressed and yelling "take it! take the pic!" to the other. Using for personal gains the *threat* of banning and/or RL litigation and scaring individuals who by all rights were not in the wrong in that place. They weren't making AR's.. they were F**king with people! Sounds to me like griefers wearing kid avvies (much like PN used to do with the free fur avvies) more than anything else. Ironically, it will be these folks who will end up with the others who are trying to abuse kid avvies with their nudity who will end up causing the majority of the trouble, no?
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Bree Giffen
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06-19-2009 13:46
Have you guys/gals heard about the Letterman/Palin feud? David Letterman said his intent was completely meaningless compared to the perception of his joke. I hate Palin but I think Letterman understands something that we need to consider. The intention of giving freedom of roleplay on an adult continent is worthy but it is the perception that will bury you.
LL will have to chose between headlines, "SL allows child sex" or "SL opens adult continent, NOT"
And please don't think I'm against child avatars. I have several. I just don't want them on the AC.
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Pussycat Catnap
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06-19-2009 13:46
From: Qie Niangao But they *may* be. I emphasized "*may*" in the post. And THEY MAY BE. Even on Zindra. And if child AVs are banned on Zindra, it becomes *especially* likely there. By banning child AVs, the continent would become an adult AV pedophile haven.
I don't know how I can make it any clearer. Why would any Pedo be in a place without children? Try again please, with logic this time. The whole point of clearing out the kids is to clear the Pedos out of SL (no longer any place where you can have adult activity and kid AVs together) and clear out any false smearing of the rest of us. The whole point of having an adult continent is to create a safe divide - so there can be a place for adult activity without disturbance.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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06-19-2009 13:46
From: Ephraim Kappler You see a few cooks on completely different forum kicking up a stink. Can we keep that bullsh!t out of this thread? No one here has suggested any such nonsense and up until a few pages back we had a reasonable exchange of views going on the matter. Why are you telling -me- this? I'm replying to the person who brought up the issue.
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-19-2009 13:47
From: Bree Giffen Have you guys/gals heard about the Letterman/Palin feud? No.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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06-19-2009 13:50
From: Argent Stonecutter No. That was the night you were alphabetizing your ferret pics for easier reference.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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06-19-2009 13:51
From: Dana Hickman That would be the 2 in Mosh yesterday.. one running up to anyone naked or scantilly dressed and yelling "take it! take the pic!" to the other. Using for personal gains the *threat* of banning and/or RL litigation and scaring individuals who by all rights were not in the wrong in that place. They weren't making AR's.. they were F**king with people! And you didn't AR them because...? Or did you? And if you did, the problem is taken care of. Stop worrying.
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Pussycat Catnap
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06-19-2009 13:52
From: Marianne McCann Seen the no nudity, no sexual activity, no adult sounds, no weapons, etc. signs at the infohubs there? No. I've been all over those hubs, and not seen that anywhere but on these forums. I've even hung out nude with Lindens.
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Dana Hickman
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06-19-2009 13:52
From: Dakota Tebaldi You're making stuff up, now. I see some people threatening to AR kid avs but I haven't seen a single instance of a child avatar-player threatening to AR an adult - in this thread, or any other thread about Zindra. Should we be expecting more from -you- than pure invention? I don't appreciate that Dakota.. not one bit. The only thing there that's not been discussed in other AO groups as a mutual concern, or that's obviously my own opinion, is a hypothetical example meant to convey how it feels to many adult close to this. EDIT: I can't believe i wasted my 1000th post on this shit.
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Qie Niangao
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06-19-2009 13:54
From: Pussycat Catnap Why would any Pedo be in a place without children?
Try again please, with logic this time.
The whole point of clearing out the kids is to clear the Pedos out of SL (no longer any place where you can have adult activity and kid AVs together) and clear out any false smearing of the rest of us. The whole point of having an adult continent is to create a safe divide - so there can be a place for adult activity without disturbance. Just banning child AVs doesn't mean they don't go there. It just means they can be ARd. Well, sexual ageplay can be AR'd anywhere on the grid, but the premise is that it still happens. If that's so, it will happen on Zindra, too--it's no more illegal there than anywhere else on the grid. The only difference is that the child AV is automatically the only one at fault if they're banned from Zindra. And that means that the adult AV gets to do the sexual ageplay thing with immunity--the perfect arrangement. (I don't really like using "pedophile" to describe this whole sordid mess because I think that term really should be reserved for situations with RL children involved, but I did, so I'm sorry if that somehow added to the confusion.)
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